Tim Barton Tim thank you sir for being
here it is my pleasure thank you oh man
well I'll tell you you and your father
have built such a Monumental you know
work I guess you could call it a
Ministry but you just begin to unpack
things people don't know about our
constitution about history about America
right and one of the questions I just
kind of want to get into with you is
where are we and where do you see us
heading that is a very loaded question I
know it is I know and you know that
there a balance too cuz we I definitely
consider it's a Ministry uh and as a
faith guy you know I remember the Old
Testament you make a prophecy you get it
wrong it's that so I'm not I'm not a
prophet but historically speaking if we
look back historically it's it's super
fascinating for a couple reasons our
nation is more divided now probably than
any time uh that we've seen in our
history comparable with like the civil
war Civil War a little more divided yeah
but I mean you can kind of see like we
might be in build up to that kind of
division and what's also equally
fascinating about it that there's a very
positive aspect in the midst of it as
well because I also see us just like the
The Divide in America 1830s 1840s every
single major church denomination in
America split over the issue of slavery
which is super interesting yeah it is uh
because all of them are saying hey we
love God we love Jesus but we disagree
on this issue well I mean you right you
really have churches today that are
confusing things that should not be
confusing in scripture whether it be
gender and you know male and female like
it it's kind of interesting in culture
but why it's interesting historically is
because the 1830s and 40s was the middle
okay of the Second Great Awakening come
on come
on in the middle of the second grade
awakening every church denomination
splits in America oh wow H H how does
this come together and and it's even
interesting because you can track a
similar thought from the first grade
awakening in the first and second grade
Awakening we so often think of
Awakenings as a unifying time in
American history and fascinating Tim
come on Awakenings are times when truth
and morality was being debated in
culture yeah and an Awakening would be
maybe more properly understood as a
clarifying time in culture a clarifying
time right it wasn't unifying it was
clarifying and it it it it made it very
clear what side you're going to be on
yeah are you going to be on the side of
Truth and God's word right truth and
morality or you going to be on the other
side well Charles finny that the
probably most noted individual from the
second grade awakening he founded
Oberlin College which was a Bible
College it's not today anymore but at
the time it was a Bible
College it's it's believed that under
his ministry there was one year alone
when the estimates were more than
100,000 people came to Christ under his
ministry so God is moving like crazy
things are happening incredible he
founds his Bible College at the Bible
College he required that every student
of the Bible College be active
participants in the Underground Railroad
is that right so come on they're getting
directly engaged in culture over some
significant cultural issues yeah and
he's like if you won't be a part of this
you can't be my Bible College which is a
crazy thought but also I mean you look
at the second grade awakening it's it's
not this really wonderful lovely time
but it was a clarifying time I think we
are living in a clarifying time when
unquestionable
God is on the move it's unquestionable
right yes and and this is why I would
argue I think we're another Awakening
but first grade awakening lasted 30 to
40 years second grade awakening lasted
60 to 70 years and they were only called
Awakenings historically looking back and
they were called Awakenings because you
saw a a shift in culture yes well we we
have not accomplished a shift in culture
yet but I would say things like Ro
versus Wade being overturned oh my
goodness 2020 we're we're starting to
see we're starting to see shift we're
going to see more religious liberty than
we've ever seen before now similar go
back to Second Great Awakening as there
was progress being made in
areas there was a devil who did not like
progress and there was a lot of problems
in other areas so that this is not to
imply that there's not going to be
challenges and battles and historically
I this is not my prophecy for the future
but historically it's fascinating yeah
that the first grade
awakening finishes the next major thing
that happens the American Revolution yep
second grade awakening finishes next
major thing that happens War oh my
goodness but part of what happened is in
the time of clarity enough
Christians gained not just enough
understanding of truth but enough
backbone that they said we're standing
up for truth and we're not letting this
happen anymore my goodness well I
believe 2020 was a cat for that yes and
here we are again now we're in 24 and
we're we're moving forward you know it's
interesting I believe the church has
been given choices opportunities and you
see this division between people that
say Hey church should have nothing to do
with politics and yet you see some
people standing up for politics even a
really popular speaker recently came out
and denounced that that uh pastors
should do anything politically but
here's what I want to say what do you
think about that what should we do about
that so historically again I get I'm
going to use historic examples although
I could say a lot in in my current Bible
thoughts of course yeah of course
historically it's really fascinating
there was a a professor at Duke
University she was a historian back in
the 1930s 40s and 50s her name was Alice
Baldwin she wrote a book called The New
England clergy in the American
Revolution and she was tracking the role
the pastors played in the early
Revolution and one of the things she
identified in her book is if you look at
the Declaration of Independence every
every issue in the Declaration she
identified had been preached from
American pulpits prior to
1763 which was more than a dozen years
before the Declaration of Independence
and what she points out is when the
founding fathers came together and they
were discussing their ideas yes it
wasn't their ideas they were discussing
it was what they had learned from their
pastors and here's where a lot of people
don't make the direct connection they
should the pastor's voice should be the
most influential voice in a Christian's
life I mean Jesus right no obviously
Jesus right but Jesus speaking to the
pastor Holy Spirit can speak to us not
to discredit that yes our quiet time
most important but the the Bible talks
about they being a Shepherd that's right
right and the shepherd is supposed to
watch over the sheep and protect the
sheep and if a wolf comes the shepherd
puts himself in front of the sheep
that's right and in the founding era the
pastors saw a wolf coming and they said
we're going to stand in front of the
sheep and this is also really
interesting in modern culture and my
perspective
is Jesus clarified in John 10 there was
only one difference between the shepherd
and the hling
uh-huh the hireling saw the wolf and
said I don't want any trouble I'm out
that's right right the shepherd position
themselves to defend the flock from the
wolf and the reason that to me this is
very telling is anybody paying attention
will know that there's a wolf coming for
our kids right now oh it's true right
it's the Pervert Mafia it's unbelievable
it's unbelievable any Pastor who's not
willing to stand up
between the sheep and the Wolf yeah then
I don't know what to tell you other than
Jesus said that makes you a hireling not
a Shepherd I think that's a great point
you know the movie The Patriot Mel
Gibson right and there's that scene
where the church pastor steps out and he
gets his musket and he gets his
armaments and he's like well sometimes
you got to run off I think he said
wolves you got to stand against this
thing that's coming on and I believe
that's what pastors need to do today not
like we're getting our pitchforks and
torches and storming the castle but we
got to begin to to ward off this nasty
Spirit that's coming out our kids it
really is it's something that pastors
have bought into the lie for so long
well let's only let's only talk about
Jesus and I'm saying the live for so
long because Jesus did not say only talk
about
Jesus what a statement Jesus did not say
only talk about Jesus I mean right Jesus
told the disciples if you love me keep
my commands H how can the church keep
his commands if we've never talked about
his commands yeah right yeah I mean
let's let's let's start unfolding a
little bit and and this is where Jesus
said also go into all the world and Make
Disciples of all Nations yes he didn't
say go make converts and tell them about
me that's right he said make disciples
he did say make dis and a disciple knows
how to take their faith and live it out
whether they're in business whether
they're in education right whether
they're in law school medical like it
doesn't matter you take your faith with
you where you go come on Tim but we are
so in this world today that what Jesus
is for the church no Jesus is for the
world he is I call that a complete
gospel you're just you're so good at
what you're articulating I the gospel we
hear preached is correct but it's not
complete tell it's going through us and
influencing everything around us right
I'll tell you uh your insights to this
are so profound so we're in the culture
right now we're heing you know this
season we're in we see all this crazy
stuff going on politically they're
persecuting the former president where
do you think this is going to land do
you think that there's a a path for him
to come out of this I I do and one of
the things that that we know is the
devil often overplace hands he does
right yeah I I I mean the reason he got
kicked out of heaven was his pride well
Pride goes before the fall right what
the Bible tells us yes so yeah pride is
not the best thing for you to be
identified by and known by but no what
we know is that pendulums often swing
and it it can only go so far before it's
coming back and I think what what we're
seeing right now is there are so many
people who are recognizing the shame of
the process that's right they're they're
seeing a man persecuted that even some
of them who who didn't like right when
when you have people like an Elon Musk
or Joe Rogan who are saying this thing
is rigged like against it's happening
right like when even they're saying it
it's PR an actress saying you know what
he's on the table I I'm going to vote
for him right wild and and so you're
seeing him gain in the African-American
community and the minority community in
general uh so I I think there's a very
real chance and opportunity for the
pendulum to swing back now with that
being said I I also recognize that if
you do not believe in God or you are
mellian enough and you think that the
end is justifi the means and all that
matters you winning election there are
people out there that all they care
about is winning the election so they
don't care if they have to cheat to do
it that's right right and and there was
an interesting study that came out from
the Heartland Institute that they called
several thousand individuals who had
done and ballots and they just asked him
some general question are you willing to
talk okay can you tell me about this and
and they identified of the people they
talked to 20% self incriminated
self-identified that they had done it
illegally well I F out for my parents
because I I I knew they were going to be
too busy so I filled it out and S it in
for them well I did it for my
grandparents I did it for my friends and
like really all that's illegal well that
they said 20% of the people they talk to
identified they did it illegally well
20% of mail in ballots that that's the
election it's done right it's over game
changer with that being
said there there obviously are people
who are going to try to do things to
help their side win that are going to do
illegal things but the other thing that
I think is is positive is the the last
presidential election cycle people
people weren't ready to stand up and say
no to
cheating right right cuz we were kind of
just watching going they're not supposed
to do that that's not right
right back to my games right and now
people are like no yeah no right no we
we realize that a man that sat in his
basement that never went on the campaign
Trail right to have the most votes in
American hist candidate the the master
yeah right the guy who who when the dod
finds him guilty of a crime and says
he's not cognizant enough to St in trial
but he's okay to be president like that
guy the nuke codes yeah right yeah come
on but I I I think now there's a lot
more people paying attention and this is
what I would even encourage people is
that we actually can have people in all
50 states that can actually sign up to
be uh poll Watchers that can be uh
election judges you guys offer this well
this is something that every State's
different but they can sign up in their
County and actually you can call your
local party hey I want to sign up to to
help volunteer oh that's amazing and
they can help oversee some of this the
other thing I would say is because
there's people that think well cheating
happens sometimes the concern is why
should I vote then yeah and the reality
is that what I like to remind people
people is when when Jesus taught
Parables and like Matthew 25 Luke 19 the
parable the mind is and talents at the
very end when the master came and
rewarded the servants we think of it and
well he rewarded those that were
productive well they were the productive
ones but he didn't say Well done good
and
productive no he didn't he he said well
done good and faithful that's right
we've been called to Faithfully do the
right thing yeah whether it works in our
favor or not in America we've been given
a stewardship yeah of our nation oh man
and our vote is part of how we walk in
obedience with our stewardship yes so
whether you think it's rigged or not as
a Christian you got to be faithful to do
the right thing Tim thank you that that
is such a good perspective and such
great Insight um this book you you wrote
this recently is this your newest my dad
and I just finished this one called the
American story building the Republic uh
it goes to the first seven presidents
and it actually shows what a good leader
looks like what kind of President should
we have and actually some of them what
not to do when your president what not
to do but it's it's a really great story
going through the first seven presidents
learning who they were and what they did
the American story building the Republic
and where can they get this
wallbuilders.com wallbuilders.com Tim
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