all right let's get the proper stuff so
uh let's talk about 2030 let's talk
about targets let's talk about albow on
his mystery flight rubbish right okay so
I'll be very direct uh when I heard Libs
pulling out a Paris agreement I've gone
what hang on how does this help in the
10 seats that they need and all the rest
of it right Matt canavan comes on the
show on Monday and says well you've over
complicated it it's just about what you
believe in whether this is the right way
to go or the wrong way to go and just
like many people said well the the
conventional wisdom is yes it's going to
get up well he picked no when it was
6040 and guess where it all ended up
bromin have they done the right thing or
do they need Trump to win bills to keep
going up and then they can start to win
um it's the right thing and historically
since the rud was first
elected um the Coalition has been uh has
one seats and one elections in every
election except
2022 when because of Morrison going off
to Glasgow it was no longer an issue uh
of difference between the parties but we
won every other time when it's in
contention and people focus on what it
is doing to their lives and when Peter
says that uh he's focused on Australia
not Paris and he won't bankrupt the
country uh to meet the unattainable uh
Target of the labor party makes a lot of
sense well especially when particularly
as as Sher was reporting if the
conversation is currently 43 we can't
get to but we'll eventually get to 75 by
235 then again the enormity of change if
if the easy stuff has already been done
then clearly that's going to be fascina
about what what and where stepen
destroys entirely our rural industry
well this is it I wanted to get stepen
in and then we can get into the fight
about it all Steven uh the reverse of
the tough question to you right because
again I know sort of the ease with which
it's like okay please feel free to step
on this landmine but if Trump becomes
president and then you end up with a
scenario that I outlined before where
China doesn't get measured till 2030 uh
the US pulls out completely that's 43%
of global emissions good like trying to
sell people on 75% of 1% is urgently
needed by
2035 look I mean the maths of what you
described there uh don't represent the
debate in Australia the the majority of
this Australian public as demonstrated
by the last election believe that we
need to move to Renewables and they
would like to move them as fast as we
can the challenge for labor has always
been and I think it's beginning to
absolutely get into The Sweet Spot is
that it absolutely says gas has to be
part of this transition that was always
going to be needed to be the case no
matter how hysterical the Green's got
the manufacturing sector in this country
which we're trying to rebuild need a gas
uh supplyed electricity in the short
term so managing the gas part of this
equation or be it drawing criticism from
the greens has always been Labor's
challenge I think it's hitting the sweet
spot right now I think it's in a
position where uh it can manage its way
through the the transition but Peter
dutton's position of saying I'm not
going to tell you it's too hard to do
out of government uh I don't I've seen
experiments like this before not having
a policy you're you're able to be uh
attacked from all sides
frankly really done is it
said if I can if I can just finish
bomman what it's really done is it's
said to every single teal and green
voter every single teal and green vter
if I want to see action on climate
change I have to give my preference to
labor list I you like labor or not on
the Middle East every preference will be
coming to labor now and that's where I
think the mistake P dutton's made I
would suggest by the way just just
slightly though conversely of course uh
if one nation's currently sitting what
at 7% uh if they ended up with a
preference mix that gets closer back to
2019 than 22 22 2022 then that will help
um the LMP in some areas not all areas
but again I suppose that's their
argument that if we can get a primary
vote to 40 plus all of this G but let's
get back to the we are yet to see
whether the money will flow in the same
way for the teals as it did previously
because already the person who gave them
half a billion dollars has said no more
because she's Jewish ah yes and uh not
interested um so there there's there's a
hole for Star a minut we also we also I
I remarkably heard Mela referred to as a
inner city seat really I don't think so
uh and I would remind everyone who likes
to look at the figures from the years
from the uh um no vote that it was
virtually 50/50 yeah and that was with
no support from the liberal party at all
just committed people in the electorate
who said we're going to vote no so okay
so stevenh I want to just ask this one
more and then then we'll move on right
which is we can see where albo's going
to try to fight it um on on on again the
assumption that horses bolted just like
boats for the left climate change for
the right has to be solved deal with all
the rest bromin Shake ah head which is
the why I asked this
question do we have to be careful about
what we assume is conventional political
wisdom about the financial costs of
things when the financial mix of Voters
in 24 and 25 is very different than it
was in
22
correct well look I think that's a
that's a absolute Fair Point and and
what we know right now today is the most
potent issue across the entire country
Regional in the North in the South
wherever you want to talk about is cost
of living so pet dutton's only path
forward here is
to link further rises in Energy prices
purely to the government's policies now
the problem he's got consistently is
that the state liberal parties don't
support him on this don't matter very
close and dear friend of BR M doesn't
matter a r be close and dear friend the
the state
liberals coal mines Federal as State
labor government keeping station going
longer okay so the problem is that the
state liberals continue to have an
entirely different position to Peter dck
and it's going to be hard for him to try
and blame these things entirely on labor
because his own State former now as
bromin correctly says state governments
contributed to the price increases
because they closed down just like
Daniel Andrews closed down too quickly a
Cal Fire power station that was needed
in Victoria Matt Kean did the same so
it's a more complex issue today than it
was five years ago Ste fact I said
government closed it down I said before
the last state election that should per
lose it will be Matt kean's fault and it
was uh and he is a pariah in the the
party useless and irrelevant so the
important thing that the point that you
did make that is right is that the
question of the cost of the why the
trans the transmission lines that are
being rolled out the cost of the
ambition of Mr Bowen is going to hurt
the Australian people and it is linked
to the cost of living and that is
Labor's policy well this is so this is
this is the key issue W into one well
and and this is why this is why I love
the longer chat on certain topics like
this Ro cuz you're you're seeing that
that the idea behind the fight not just
the fight itself and who ends and again
the conventional wisdom you couldn't
possibly back the no case guess what
ended up happening so that's that
conventional wisdom and the ideas it'll
be look I'm fascinated in all of it