my warm welcome to today's talk
Wednesday the 9th of November now
there's a debate going on in the UK
Parliament about the safety of covid
vaccinations
now I'm unable to comment on a lot of
the detail here because of my own
um ignorance on this matter but
thankfully in the UK we live in a
parliamentary democracy and members of
parliament are completely free to voice
their opinions and everything I'm going
to play is a ready on YouTube on the
Parliamentary Channel
so some interesting views are expressed
and I would encourage you to listen to
this video uh if you can some people
might think that the risk benefit
analysis has now changed now I'm going
to start off with a very brief clip from
Mr Elliott uh Colburn Member of
Parliament and let's just see what he
has to say this only lasts about a
minute so so please please stick with it
there's some important stuff coming up
here in six zero two one seven one
relating to the safety of the covid-19
vaccines
on behalf of the petitions committee I
will read out the prayer of this
petition which states that there has
been a significant increase in heart
attacks and related health issues since
the rollout of the covid-19 vaccines
this needs immediate and full scientific
investigation to establish if there's
any possible link with the covid-19
vaccination rollout it is the duty of
government to ensure that the prescribed
medical interventions of its response to
coronavirus are safe we believe that the
recent and increasing volume of data
relating to cardiovascular problems
since the covid-19 vaccine rollout began
is enough to Warrant a full public
inquiry
this petition has amassed over 107 000
signatures including signatories from my
own car show and a Wallington
constituency and I'd like to first begin
by putting on record my gratitude to the
petitions committee Clarks and the team
behind the scenes for organizing today's
debate but also particularly the
medicines and Healthcare products
regulatory agency or mhra who met with
me recently to brief me on their vaccine
safety surveillance strategy
now sir Roger throughout the course of
my speech I'll be pointing out why I do
not think that the government should be
launching a public inquiry into vaccine
safety I think it would be a waste of
taxpayers money and I do not think it is
necessary for reasons that I will go
through throughout the course of my
speech
but just to give a bit of background to
Roger the covid-19 vaccine has been at
the center okay so that that was Mr
Elliott uh that was Mr Elliot Colburn A
Member of Parliament
now he's been fully briefed by the
medicines and Healthcare products
regulatory agency an official government
body that gives advice on these things
now I do seem to remember a video a
couple of days ago where we did note
that the mhra is at 86
funded by the pharmaceutical industry
and other vested uh I mean under the uh
Industries
um so
that's not going to influence them at
all of course we're not saying that but
that is where he gets his information
from and and the full uh line of his
argument is there on the uh the
government uh Channel
now going to go and listen to Mr Danny
Krueger Member of Parliament for uh
devises and Mr Kruger gives information
that I personally
um
uh personally
um
ignorant of so it's good of him to uh to
give it because I can't remember so um
let's listen to uh to Mr Danny Krueger
now this goes on for a few minutes we
might chat about it in the way in the
part way through but let just give him
the time because he says things that I
can't
I can't um remember
so over to uh Mr uh Danny uh Danny
Krueger now I do regret his his
response to my honorable
friend Memphis Christchurch I think who
who raised the point about uh medical
expertise which caused some doubt on the
vaccines
um and my friend chose to smear all
opponents of the vaccine program
um the course are lunatics out there who
are making absurd and outrageous claims
but I do suggest there are many
reasonable and respectable people who
have anxieties about the vaccine program
and I'm particularly of course in their
own cases those of themselves and their
families who have suffered as a result
of the program
um and I I'm a member of the the
Parliamentary group my friend member
from Christchurch chairs looking at
vaccine injuries and we met I think
there was the first meeting of the appg
last week in committee room uh in Port
Collins house and we met there it was
only I'm afraid of a tiny handful of
colleagues but well over 100 members of
the public attended which isn't the
usual uh story for a uh for an appg and
I felt somewhat ashamed on behalf of
parliament this was the first time that
those members of other public families
of the bereaved themselves injured uh
citizens had had the opportunity to be
in a room with with members of this
house and I'm very pleased that we are
now having this debate that I'm
particularly pleased to that that we
have the opportunity for members of the
public to hear from the minister about
about this topic um and I should say to
members of the public watching that we
have here a very good Minister who is
genuinely committed to uh to to help
into public health uh Anderson a real
interest in in this topic and in the
effect of of covert policy since before
when she was a back bench MP and I would
say that the UK as a whole
and while many questions need to be
answered about about our covered
response is by no means the worst
offender we're not Canada or New Zealand
or China places where they think they
can exterminate covert by depriving the
population of the most basic civil
liberties
but we still do have I'm afraid much to
ask questions to ask ourselves and even
much to be ashamed of I'm particularly
ashamed I put it on record
in hindsight of my own vote to dismiss
the care workers uh who didn't want to
take the vaccine
and I very much hope that the 40 000
care workers who lost their jobs can be
reinstated and it is compensated
uh now a group of us and please and I
think the the minister held out against
the compulsory vaccination of health
workers when that was proposed by the
government last winter and uh and that
resistance to I think turned the tide to
a degree on government policy uh and we
and we emerge from the from from
lockdowns quicker than we might have
otherwise and yet we still have this
policy of mass vaccination and I want to
I do want to query query this on behalf
of of Casitas they've written to me and
my my query starts with this simple
point in October uh 2020 when the
vaccine was getting ready for a rollout
Kate Bingham head of the vaccines agency
said this there's going to be no
vaccination of people under 18. it's an
adult-only vaccine for people over 50.
focusing on health workers and Care home
workers and the vulnerable
now why was it extended
to the whole population
I don't think we've ever had a
completely satisfactory answer to that
to that question and I raise it because
my concern is that in extending the
vaccination program it became an
operation in public persuasion
an operation in which dissent is
unhelpful or even immoral justifying
suppression even vidification of those
who raised concerns
I thank my humble friend for giving way
would he also question unlike any other
vaccine
um the vaccine was actually given to
people who'd got natural immunity
because they've actually contracted and
provably contracted the virus and so
they would have had natural me why were
those people vaccinated well is
absolutely right the best vaccine
against covert is coven and uh and many
people were indeed naturally immune and
I think there are questions to be asked
about the effects of vaccination on the
immunities on the immune system so
now I do understand why my number friend
made a very you know understandable
point about the importance of uh of
resisting misinformation and certainly
as I mentioned many crazy theories out
there which we need to not not not give
credits to
um
if we're talking about a program of
vaccinating the population it is
important that the public has persuaded
to do what the government wants to do
and I understand why the government
should have a public health information
campaign along with his lines
but it is an essential principle of
medical ethics that people need to be
able to give their informed consent
before any treatment
and I do worry about how we can say that
consent was fully informed in all cases
throughout there has been not I wouldn't
say deliberate but there has been some
misinformation that can possibly
accidental in favor of the vaccine we
can tell this with hindsight
perhaps the most egregious and my the
doctor that my honorable friend
mentioned earlier presented on this to
the uh to the apbg last week Dr Malhotra
the claim that the vaccine is 95
effective and what that means is simply
the relative risk not the actual
absolute risk uh reduction in Risk to an
individual the absolute risk reduction
is really less than one percent
there was a widespread claim that the
vaccine stops transmission
so people should take the job to protect
other people we were all told that we
all believed that for many months
last month we heard from Pfizer the
Pfizer that their vaccine was never
tested to see whether it would stop
transmission
uh and yeah we had the notorious claim
but by Professor Chris wissy that even
though the vaccine brought no benefit to
children children should be vaccinated
to protect wider Society
now I'm all for thinking about Society
not the individual uh so Roger but that
again it feels to me a profound break
with medical ethics
and a lot of people are asking what the
vaccine does to children and young
people and Dr witty is right that the
benefit to healthy children seems to be
essentially nil
uh and yet there are genuine questions
to be asked and I do not verify these
questions I merely asked them on behalf
of my constituents how do we explain the
increase in the rates of myocarditis the
increase in heart attacks and the excess
deaths among young people and indeed in
the general population it is plausible
not definitive but plausible that the
vaccine is responsible for more harms
than we know about and I mentioned in my
intervention earlier that we know from
the yellow card scheme that up to one in
200 people vaccinated
report an adverse reaction and that is
itself bad enough but we also know uh
that yellow card reports the the the
adverse effects are significantly
under-reported through the yellow card
scheme based on the mhra's own research
there may be as many as 10 times more
serious adverse reactions serious ones
not just any ones there may be 10 times
more serious adverse reactions than the
yellow card system shows happy to give
way
I love it
does he agree with me that it's not um
it's it's perhaps important for the
minister to explain how those people who
say they've experienced damage from the
vaccine can have themselves heard not
just via the yellow card scheme not just
by the module and the public or existing
public inquiry and not just an
application for a vaccine damage
compensation that there needs to be more
meaningful ways in which people can
engage with with their experiences of
damage I'm very grateful to The
Honorable Aid and I I absolutely agree
and I think that today is a very
important moment from the minister to
hear from our members here on behalf of
residents and I would encourage a far
greater engagement with with citizens
who have themselves suffered from
vaccine damage or even lost loved ones
to it
now I mentioned these these rather
terrifying uh facts and there may be
innocent explanations for them and I
very much hope they are if these are
conspiracy theories we need them to be
comprehensively and courteously debunked
so I have four questions for the
minister to close sir Roger first
will she review the vaccination of
children
we know that children have strong
naturally acquired immunity and that the
chance of death from covert for a
healthy child is one in two million
so I believe that we should follow other
countries like Denmark
and stop vaccinating children altogether
but I invite the minister to consider
reviewing that aspect of the policy
second will she make representations in
government and with baroness Hallett
that the terms of reference for her
inquiry should be broadened to
explicitly include the efficacy and
safety of the vaccines and I hear what
my honorable friend says is absolutely
right that the inquiry does include
reference to the uh to the vaccination
program and its effects and he may well
be right that that is sufficient and
that the review will properly consider
the just the the topics that we're
discussing today I hope that that is the
case
I I but I think that needs to be made
more explicit and so I'd invite the
minister to comment happy to give away
she wrote to baroness Hamlet asking her
to ensure that it was specifically in
the terms of reference that it should
cover the issue of safety of vaccines
and the impact of vaccines and as a
result of not just my representations
but representations from others the
terms of reference were amended to make
it quite clear that vaccines and the
impact of vaccines and the potential
damage of vaccines is included within
the terms of reference for that
clarification it concerns me that it
took his representations to even get the
vaccine the effects of the vaccines
considered by the inquiry and I I
suggest we need to go further and talk
about efficacy and safety not just the
impact because I think we need to be
quite explicit about what we want
answers to these these issues need to be
directly covered
um
now this inquiry I think I think we do
need the public inquiry to consider this
because of the compromised nature of
medical regulation in our country and I
mentioned earlier that the mhra is
funded by the pharmaceutical companies
who produce the drugs and vaccines that
it regulates and this might be there
might be some Universe in which this
makes sense but I don't think this is
that Universe I don't think it's right
and third we need to do more a lot more
for the injured and bereaved as my The
Honorable lady mentioned I agree with
all of my uh my friend from Christchurch
has uh recommendations and we'll hear
from him shortly about what needs to be
done to raise the threshold for
compensation for the injured and the
speed of payouts and I also agree with
him that we need clinics for people with
adverse reactions just as we do for
people with long covet and finally
following this we need to change the
power and balance I am sorry on behalf
of parliament this is the first proper
debate we've had on this subject I
regret that victims and families have
had to struggle so hard to get the
engagement of the system
I hope the minister will agree to meet
with some of the people who are here
today and there and other and other
representatives of of families affect by
by the vaccines with a profit for a
proper exchange of information and ideas
and I hope that she will request that
Dame June rain of the mhra meets with
them as well Rob that I'm afraid to say
ignoring letters for months
and I want to hope that uh and by hoping
that with the new government that takes
over this week the current Minister
herself has only just been recently
appointed will stay in post and that we
can start a new chapter uh in the story
of covert no more remote
power telling people what to do
let's put truth and Justice back into
our public life and restore trust in the
experts we rely on thank you so much
we should be all right we should be all
right for time but okay
um
thanks for bearing with us on that um
Danny Krueger there was saying quite a
few things that I can't uh
I can't remember
so um
questions that need answered Mr Kruger
thinks
changes uh in opinion with ongoing
evidence I'm delighted to see that Mr
Kruger has changed his opinion with
ongoing evidence
um
when we get new uh evidence
of course we should amend our views with
that evidence
learning is is a process of evolution
an evolution just means change
and we need to follow the evidence
wherever it leads
October 2020 the original plan was only
to vaccinate older people to protect
them that seems to have changed the Mr
Kruger observes
um
now Mr Kruger thinks uh the best vaccine
against covert is covered
that's a direct quote from Mr Kruger
just his view of course but he thinks
the best vaccine against covid is
covered
natural immunity
and of course we know from this channel
if you look back at the videos I did
pre-2020 I did a whole series of about
20 videos on immunity
the way that the body develops natural
immunity when it's exposed to infection
and an amazing system
it is
informed consent and medical ethics
who can argue with that it's motherhood
and apple pie isn't it and yet has it
always been done is a question that Mr
Kruger is Raising
uh he mentioned Dr Aseem Malhotra who
pointed out the difference between
relative risk and absolute risk which
was really quite profound
and um Dr mahotra of course was kind
enough to come on this channel last week
Christians for Professor Dr witty
uh chief medical officer still
knighted for his services to uh Services
during the pandemic
seems to have gone a bit quiet now so
it'd be good to get him up front and
answering questions
in fact I think you should answer
questions from anyone but that's just my
view
Mr Kruger feels that some of these facts
are rather terrifying again just his
view but he does say their facts and
some are rather terrifying of course he
wants to get rid of the
conspiracy theories he wants to debunk
that which is not true promote that
which is true
so um pretty uh pretty profound uh
Speech there from uh from Mr Danny
Krueger Member of Parliament for devises
and um
I know that's gone on a bit but it said
a lot of things there that I can't I
couldn't have remembered to say
so um
thank you for uh Mr Kruger's input there
and of course thank you for watching