I'm sorry to ask this question almost
but it's something that I think is a
little bit important
um how do you think first off people
quit
prefacing and saying sorry for
everything
okay it first off it the values saying
sorry okay if you first have to screw up
before you actually say sorry just comes
out the gate I'm sorry for all the
things I'm about to do then you're not
sorry because you're doing them okay
that means you're not sorry that's the
death definition of sorry is I did
something and I wish not to have done it
and therefore I will change my life and
I Repent from my sins instead this
bird's like well I'm sorry but here we
go that's not sorry you're using the
term incorrect
I think it affects the culture of a
community of a project when the leader
is on that project's public mailing list
telling people in response to patch
reviews that they should be
retroactively aborted right and maybe
that you're surprised that
oh that is way too harsh I did not
that I feel like I knew that but at the
same time whoo you can't say that
you're still alive because they should
have starved to death when they were
children because they were too stupid to
find a hit to suck on I
I'm surprised you're alive
because I don't think you're smart
enough to find a tit to suck on that is
that is literally
the most intense burn I've ever heard in
my entire lifetime I I just don't think
you could literally like that you just
can't save
okay Karen first off I'm not a big fan
of teleportation can we not do that
anymore okay I don't like that it makes
me feel all wobbly and second off I'm
just quoting a guy
okay I'm not I'm not saying it
she Karen I agree that some people might
be put off by that
there's at least one person we know
factually stated there's at least one
person put off by that minimum the one
with whom you said should be
retroactively aborted probably is
offended at least one person minimum uh
uh but on the other hand
you know what I in the end I don't care
oh my goodness
you know like I'm not really into being
mean to someone you know when they do
something stupid I I I'm not into it uh
I I don't think it's a good way to go
about things but people most certainly
have become way too sensitive right and
this is just like a hilarious just
interaction of these two worlds just
colliding clearly Bull and china shop
versus this person that's like sorry
sorry for even saying it sorry for even
speaking out loud but I'm going to speak
out loud sorry about it right like this
is a very funny interchange here um I
care about technology and I've actually
seen projects that took the whole
political correctness so far that that
the project no longer is about the
technology
he's looking at you Russ Foundation
um I actually so on my
wow we are getting more questions I
think at some point we might want to
moderate them so my take
Duncan I actually am very happy to talk
about this it's not a problem for me
um my by the way I can't tell if this is
too loud or not
flip can you do some like
post-processing to make the note the
levels normal like in my headphones it
looks loud but on OBS it's like quiet so
I can't tell if it's too loud or too
quiet it's very confusing for me right
now
it's actually really hard to know what's
happening
a standpoint has always been that hey
people are different I'm abrasive
um I grew up in a culture that I think
is not quite as politically correct as
the culture especially in the U.S today
I also grew up in a family that was
largely dysfunctional so
um I mean so hey welcome to the club
Linus
I'm glad that we uh we share that you
know uh you know nothing like a good
dysfunctional family
um
I guess I took a different approach in
the sense that my goal was to create a
functional family
you know what I mean like I want to be
functional I want to be a functional
normal human being by the end of this
all but hey welcome it's a fun time you
know we all go we all get to learn some
things you know
people are different and some people
take offense and some people give
offense and we all have to live together
but the living together is not by
finding some lowest common denominator
and it has actually been fairly
successful is to try realize that hey
unlike your family you can actually pick
your friends and you can pick the
co-workers and open source is actually
really good at that
better so than many commercial software
projects because in a commercial setting
you're kind of stuck with your boss in
open source
find people you like find people you
like working with
this is actually a really good take uh
this is shockingly a good take
um I think that uh when you really like
the people
who you work with you work better
right and I think some people get so
stuck on a project they want to work on
even when they find out they don't like
who they're working with and then it
just doesn't cause the right camaraderie
right you really have to enjoy the
people you work with and I I think that
is uh this is a really great point
because if you want to take something
far there has to be something more than
just like money or notoriety at the end
right that that's just not it's very
hard and very few people can be wired in
such a way that just that is motivation
enough to go through a lot of horrible
things right
um
I
I work directly with
let's say 20 people closely and 50
people more or less right there's every
release there's a thousand people
involved
geez find somebody you like better than
me then that's fine right I'm not
willing to
be less honest
less honest and the and the retroactive
aborted I mean that's the thing is like
that may not technically be honesty just
throwing it out there that maybe a
different quality
than honesty
but hey hey
because I know I'm abrasive right and
quite often the whole
like when I say something like I wonder
how he grew to be an adult when he's so
stupid that he I don't expect him to
find food
some people might realize that it's kind
of Hyperbole and joking I'm not um
I'm not saying something back
just try to
his line is bad
is back totally joking when I was just
like you should have died
I wasn't like you should have died I was
like you should have done your change is
definitely not being committed you
should have died because of it
Ain't No Way ain't no way that was a
joke ain't no way just no way
and I'm joking I'm not um
I'm not saying something bad that you
know it's not politically correct or
whatever although certainly I would
understand if people do say this it's
more about treating other people with
respect and maybe saying technical you
know what I love the clappies in the
background because they're just like
tell him you tell liena I love that I
love that there's a few clappies because
they just hate
this idea like you you do see it a lot
in software 10 years ago my favorite
most growing moment was not when someone
took me by the hand
hey Prime you know you're a really great
guy
and I think you're a smart person could
we talk about this for a second
he like walked in and said hey
get that hand out of my hand
your change sucks and you need to go fix
it right now
made me take things a little bit more
seriously I still look back at that as
one of a very great
a very great moment applaud everything
you want but I don't respect people on
this stuff you think they deserve the
respect there are people who think that
respect is something that should be
given no no
I don't I I actually agree with that you
don't you don't
give somebody respect off the rip
but I believe fully and giving someone
the benefit of the doubt off the rip
right I don't doubt them I don't uh I
don't think oh they can't do it I go
okay I'm gonna start off and I I'll
believe you're capable
show me you're capable I believe it
so whatever you do I will come in there
thinking this person's capable and able
to do a good job
that's not necessarily respect it's just
I like to start everyone off in a nice
in a nice uh in a good spot
you know just like pastel pestilent ate
you know he started off in a good spot
now he's just not you know what I mean
good times
I happen to be one of the people who
I'm perfectly happy saying no
respect should be earned and without
being earned you don't get it right it's
really that simple and I not everybody
agrees and that's fine too right uh
there are people I refuse to work with
right
it's it cuts both ways and and I realize
that right
okay thank you okay
this is a good video you know like I I
still think you shouldn't justify being
mean to someone right I I really I think
there's a difference between mean and
honest and all those things blah blah
blah blah we don't need to preface all
that you guys get it you guys
understand there's a difference
um
but the reality is I think that people
in some sense
fight super hard
and genuinely try to um
in some sense like try to make the world
into a place where no one can say
anything negative right like there's
just so much about this especially with
pull requests where you can't even say
hey this is bad
right I think that's equally as wrong
right you're fighting both sides at that
point you should be able to say this is
bad
I don't think it's 100 I you disagree
really so you you literally think that
everyone should be given immediate
respect
I don't think everyone should be given
immediate respect right I think respect
is 100 earned right you you really do
have to give an earned respect
I think that you should be able to be
harsh on something that is bad
but I do not think you should be like I
just don't believe in insulting the
individual right uh as a human yes
there's a difference there's a
difference between human there's there's
human dignity and technological prowess
right those are very very different
things and so those are two different
categories like I wouldn't treat
somebody bad or think they somehow
deserve less
because of some inalienable quality
about them right something that I can't
they can't I can't do anything about
right I get that but when it comes to
the technical side
you don't get you just don't get respect
right you can't walk in new person
expect the same respect as Linus right
if Linus is like how what I mean by that
is that if Linus comes to you and makes
a PR against your open source Library
what are the chances you're accepting it
and if some person named you know Edge
Lord 69 420 comes in and makes a PR
what kind of scrutiny are you going to
give them well it's simple
because one of these people
has earned respect
and as much as you would like to say
yeah hey
you know I get it I respect everybody
equally the reality is you don't right
you don't
you know
and I know everyone's joking actually
I'll do it I'll do this
let's see honestly I think he means
honest uh
uh to his own thoughts and himself and
he wants to say I agree though you
should be able to give negative feedback
without being overly mean yeah you
shouldn't be mean about it I totally am
on that team and I think you should have
the right to be mean and the receiver
has the right to be offended yeah that's
true I don't believe you have the right
to never be offended
yeah I so this is okay so this right
here is a great statement you don't have
the right to never be offended
and that's the thing is like I'm totally
about drawing lines like I'm never gonna
say someone I think that you're
something horrible I mean pestilence
eight we did it as a joke even with all
the dumb things he said no matter how
like
racy races those that was
you know the poor guy lives that life
like if that's his literal thoughts
think about how low and awful your life
has to be to view the world that way you
know what I mean like in real real talk
you have to be so Twisted internally to
think that that's a real thing I pity
you more than anything else I am happy I
don't look like that right I'm happy I
don't I I don't act like that it's it's
sad to me you know
um see being neutral is being respectful
too in my opinion
I think we might be I think we might be
uh I think we might be putting in weird
things with the word respect I think we
probably all don't have maybe the same
definition
for respect you know what I mean and so
typically when I think of respect I
think of something a little bit
different than say courteousness right
being courteous
is different
right that's a very different like so
what what it seems like you just said is
I think we should be courteous right
you're being neutral you're being maybe
you're not uh
I'm not really sure what neutral and how
you know you know it's it's different
um
yeah I I do agree with that you know
neutral is being uh I don't even know
what that word is
compassent complacent compassent having
respect versus being respectful yeah
yeah
how dare you disrespect my definition of
respect I don't know polite yeah this is
maybe a polite thing like I I do believe
in being polite I believe in being civil
right we live in a civil society
diversity is an old wooden but I
mean I do mean I think that we live in a
society and we should we should be civil
to one another and I think that that's
that's a good that's a good place to be
being civil and so that's like a good
step one right and so I'm just not gonna
act like he does right and I know
someone's uh someone was posting that he
has now said hey I'm sorry for all those
years of being uh a jerk I don't even
know where it's at uh I get that you
should be a little bit sorry because I
think as you look back and as you get
older you get a little bit wiser with
time you know hopefully hopefully you
get wiser with time not all old people
are wise not all young people are unwise
right and I think there's just comes a
point where you go okay maybe I should
have done things different and that's
good you know
people change
that's pretty cool it's pretty cool that
he could write an article saying hey
maybe I should have been a little bit
more polite
that's good
I still agree with a good portion of the
things he said I think it's good to find
open source projects where you just get
along with people you know what I mean
you just want to be there you want to
work with them you get you have good
banter I think there's something really
powerful about that right really
powerful uh
there's so there's something really
important about that right it's it's a
um
yeah I mean you should agree and
disagree with everything everyone says
it's like a workplace yeah you want uh
the retroactive abortion line was good
though I mean it's hilarious and it's in
in the fact that it's just so absurd yes
um
you know what I mean
yeah and of course of course this is
also true we all we all get to talk a
bunch of on the internet because
we're not doing it in person right no
one's gonna go up to somebody and start
an actual fight who talks on the
internet because almost 99 of all people
on the internet
they're not in fighting condition
okay they're not they don't want to do
that
um
but hey this was really weird this was a
weird talk it was really weird about
that one guy in the middle that just
said absurd things but hey you know we
gotta roll with the punches this is
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