what a warm welcome to today's Talk
Saturday the 8th of October and I'm
getting lots of questions
um is it true that uh viral uh
ribonucleic acid from the vaccines has
been found in breast milk
and here's the answer here from this
paper
from uh peer-reviewed medical journal
Journal of the American and Medical
Association detection of messenger RNA
covered vaccine in human breast milk so
the answer to this question is yes and
we're going to give evidence from this
paper and as always we'll be quoting
lots of official sources and being
careful not to contradict any Official
Guidelines
so let's look at this uh in some detail
because it is it is a sensitive topic of
course
so uh Journal of the American Medical
Association Pediatrics now this is what
you call a research letter these can be
uh obviously done much quicker than a
full research project but it's laid out
there like a small scale research
project and of course this is a
peer-reviewed journal so high confidence
in this the work was actually carried
out mostly on Long Island New York
um so it's looking it's looking like a
pretty good piece of scientific
detective work
uh just published about a week ago eight
well it's 8.8th of October now so
recently published end of September
um now initial messenger RNA mRNA
vaccines clinical trials excluded
several vulnerable groups according to
this paper young children and lactating
individuals which we would call
breastfeeding women in England at least
most of us would um are were excluded
from The Trial now safety and efficacy
of the BNT uh covid-19 vaccine now this
was the original
um vaccine paper that we respond well
the original Pfizer one we did it in
great detail at the time
um So based on this original clinical
trial at least for the uh that this
particular vaccine
uh we find that the randomly assigned
persons 16 years of old and 16 years of
age and older so um you had to be 16 to
get in the trial
so uh
that was the requirement for the trial
now um the current recommendation uh
from the FDA based on that and
presumably other work as well
um today this is the announcement from
the FDA today the Food and Drug
Administration authorized emergency
vaccine
um for the prevention of covid-19 to
include use in children down to six
months of age so the original research
was based on
um you know to be 16 and over and and
now they've gone down to six months and
over
um that was as cited and obviously we're
being careful to cite the original site
so that is
that is the particular vaccine uh paper
there and this is the FDA site so we're
being careful to cite official
uh data of course
um now um you might have your opinions
on how Justified the difference is but
that we're just citing the the official
papers
back to the uh the JAMA paper now this
is from the drama paper the US Food and
Drug Administration deferred the
decision to authorize covid-19 vaccines
for infants younger than six until more
data was available because of the
potential priming of the child's
where I went right piece of paper
priming of the child's immune response
uh that may alter their immunity so a
bit difficult to work out what they're
saying here they seem to be saying that
giving a vaccine under the age of six
months could potentially
um Prime the child's immune response
with unpredictable consequences is what
is what they're saying
um
of course the child that's seven months
old is only one month older than a child
that's six months old but that's where
they put the
that's where they put the cut off
now likewise being careful to cite
official
data a covid-19 vaccine while pregnant
and breastfeeding this is the Centers
for Disease Control and prevention now
I'm using the U.S sites here the the UK
uh advice is uh it's worked differently
but it's essentially it's essentially
the same
there's no real scientific uh applied
clinical difference between the the
advice in the two Nations
um so re-bre breastfeeding um mother's
um direct quote covered vaccine is
recommended for all people six months
and older this includes people who are
pregnant
uh breastfeeding
trying to get pregnant now or might
become pregnant in the future so it
sounds pretty inclusive so certainly the
breastfeeding thing is uh is included
people look breastfeeding can't be
vaccinated so back to the drama study
again
um The Centers for Disease Control and
prevention recommends offering the
covered mRNA vaccines to breastfeeding
individuals
um okay we'll ignore that terminology
for now
um but it's clearly saying so this is a
direct quote from the JAMA paper quoting
the uh giving evidence from the um CDC
although the possible passage of vaccine
mrnas in breast milk resulting in
infants exposure
at younger than six months was not
investigated
so
this is not me saying this this is this
is uh this is this paper here saying it
was not investigated
and these of course are the authors of
the paper in uh
Jama
so it was not investigated now um
some people might think it's better to
do the research first and then do the
clinical interventions uh afterwards
um that's the way I've normally learned
to do things but you know times are
changing
we have to be flexible I suppose
um
this study investigated whether the
covid um a mono vaccine can be detected
in the expressed breast milk of
lactating individuals breastfeeding
women okay so in in other words
um that the milk was expressed using
from some form of suction pump routine
routine of course
um and uh these were receiving the
vaccines within six months after
delivery now the number is small it was
11.
um so this is about proof of principle
really
um but the number 11 okay 11 individuals
there but this is what they found uh
moderna RNA
um vaccine uh five uh so Madonna five uh
five people vaccinated Pfizer six people
vaccinated so it's both the both the uh
mRNA uh vaccines
uh samples of Express best milk were
collected before vaccination structures
of the control which is good and five
day for five days post vaccination so it
makes perfect sense
so this is called uh this is standard in
research it's called test retest
use the same group as their own controls
just at different times 131 samples of
Express breast milk were collected one
to five hours after vaccine sorry one
hour to five days after vaccine
Administration
or sounds perfectly reasonable
the presence of covid vaccine in an mRNA
in different milk fractions so what they
did was they looked at milk fractions so
so they looked at like the the more
fluid component the fatty component
and they also found that a lot of the
viruses in these things called
extracellular vesicles so the vesicle is
just a fluid-filled compartment that we
normally find in cells but you get some
in in the breast milk and that's where
they found most of the uh most of the Mr
mRNA
from the the vaccine
S8 using a two-step quantitative reverse
transcriptase polymerase Chain Reaction
so yeah basically using the PCR test
which is of course completely fine now
the results uh Trace Amounts of the uh
both both vaccines mRNA vaccines were
detected in seven samples from five
different participants
so seven samples from five individuals
out of the 11.
um so five out of 11 is um
what percentage is five of eleven I
don't know work it out for yourself
um whatever percentage that is
at various times up to 45 hours after
post-vaccination so okay would have been
nice to carry on for longer
um why not carry on for a week after
vaccination or two weeks after
vaccination
anyway that's that's to us what they did
um 45 hours post vaccination no vaccine
RNA was detected in uh pre-vaccination
so the control group of course prior to
vaccination no mRNA was detected
so there we go it's definitively been uh
detected now more to say of course the
sporadic presidents of Trace quantities
of covid-19 vaccine
messenger ribonucleic acid detected an
Express breast milk
suggests that breastfeeding after
covid-19 is safe
so they have found these um Trace
Amounts of vaccine and from that they
seem to conclude that the uh it's uh
it's safe I'll be very careful my
wording here these are direct quotes
from the paper
suggests that breastfeeding after
covid-19 vaccine is safe
so having found the MRNA
in these samples they say that it's safe
but um then they say particularly
Beyond 48 hours after vaccination
but it would have been nice if they
carried on collecting samples as we say
for several days but it was not done
these data demonstrate For the First
Time The biodistribution of covid-19
mRNA vaccines to mammary cells to breast
cells
and the potential ability of tissue
extracellular vesicles
to package the Mna vaccine that can be
transported to distant cells now
to me one of the most interesting
observations about this study is that
the vaccine got from the arm to the
breast
and that's a long way in uh
physiological terms
now the authors say that it could have
spread via the blood or could have
spread via the lymphatics now I would
have thought spreading rather lymphatics
is unlikely because that emphatics is a
one-way flow there's valves in the
lymphatic vessels that prevent the
backflow and it goes towards a central
system eventually draining into the
jugular
into the uh jugular um round roundabout
here the The Junction between the
jugular and the clavicular veins drains
back into the systemic circulation so I
think the hematogenic spread is probably
more likely in the blood not excluding
the lymph of the author say that they've
probably got their reasons for that they
don't give them
um I'm not you know they could they
could have reasons I don't understand
but the blood is probably more likely
um but that means if the vaccine can
spread from the arm to the breast
the MRNA can spread from the arm to the
breast then the way it got to the breast
is unless it's lymphatic and as I say
it's likely to be in the blood
hematogenic means it's very systemic
spread because the blood goes everywhere
so that would mean that these um these
extracellular vesicles will go
everywhere that includes your ears your
nose your toes
your myocardium
your lungs your kidneys your liver
the systemic circulation goes around the
whole body it is systemic
so that's the first time that I've been
identified
now
um
the researchers in this paper in this
paper talk about rats
studies in rats but the actual work
they're referring to
was actually done as far as I can see in
in mice
so this seems to be the actual paper
they're referring to which is mice so um
it looks like the author's got rats and
mice confused I suppose we can excuse
that in a peer-reviewed journal though
it is surprising
you would expect all these references to
be meticulously checked but this one
clearly says in mice
but there we go um so um rat stroke mice
probably doesn't matter too much they're
both
sort of small animals and mammals
right up to three days following
intramuscular administration of vaccines
low vaccine mRNA levels were detected in
the heart
lung
testis brain tissue indicating tissue
biodistribution
kind of all over the place so these
authors of this paper seem to be saying
this is consistent
well they're certainly not saying it's
inconsistent with the rat stroke mice
studies
that it can the the MRNA can go around
the whole body
so vaccine Administration this is this
is not for me this is what the authors
think vaccine Administration
goes into these lipid nanoparticles
contained in the MRNA vaccine
that must go into the systemic
circulation whether it's by the
lymphatics or the blood that goes to the
mammary gland so it's hematogenesis and
or lymphatic Roots is the way they say
it get there
so it's systemic it's going
everywhere it can't get to the breast
if it's not via some systemic roof I
don't think
vaccine mRNA released into the mammary
cell cytosol that's the fluid round
about the nucleus in the cell
um
that from there it's recruited into
developing uh extra
cellular vesicles
and from there it's secreted into the
breast milk
the authors then say caution is
warranted about breastfeeding children
younger than six months in the first 48
hours after maternal vaccination until
more safety studies are conducted so you
might think the authors have slightly
contradicted themselves there but that's
kind of in their conclusion bit there
okay so there we go um
this is evidence for
um systemic
absorption of
mRNA vaccine in
human breastfeeding women consistent
with the data from wraps
that means the MRNA can get all around
the body
now we have to be very clear about this
we are not what we're not saying here so
this is from the uh covered 90 medical
misinformation policy and just for
clarification on this you can look at
these links for yourself I'll put the
links there
um this is the guidelines that of course
we all have to follow on YouTube there
and there's another one there
and I'm going to look at the the
relevant parts to make sure we're not
contradicting anything
so um
claims about carbon-19 vaccine that
contradict expert consensus from local
Health authorities so we've been careful
to in this case we've quoted the CDC
and the FDA and a peer-reviewed journal
article
claims that an approved covered vaccine
will cause death infertility miscarriage
autism
or contraction of other
diseases clearly we haven't made those
claims
um also vaccine safety uh we haven't
posted content that allergies That
vaccine causes chronic side effects
outside of the rare side effects that
are recognized by Health authorities
we've not commented on the efficacy of
the vaccines of course um
we certainly haven't said that um
vaccines do not reduce transmission or
contraction of disease so um
clearly we haven't said that we haven't
been talking about transmission we
haven't been talking about
ingredients
um but there we go um
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information
concerns you or not
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