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good morning all this is your host end
commander and welcome to another live
stream where we've got the cursed 4a6
out a whole bunch of floppy disks
and a really bad idea and for all those
who um for all those who celebrate the
holidays Merry Christmas for all who's
all for all who do not happy New Years
um tonight today we're going to be
reading during the downtime from the
book of resources
yeah I've been playing this stream for
almost a month I had this idea to do it
the Windows 90 the doing this on the
ThinkPad was the trial run for doing
this on the real thing oh
uh Mike is clipping uh let's hear how's
it sound now I knocked it off the table
earlier so the adjustment may be off
okay
better
all right let's try that again so
hopefully I'm not clipping as badly so
Windows 98 on the this machine is going
to be an interesting question and uh uh
penguin of time thank you for the 20
donation
so
yep anyway
um we're installing Windows 98 on this
thing let me reboot this thing so I can
show you exactly what it is I've done I
did a three-part video on it
um in the past it is a 1992 as far as I
can tell Intel professional workstation
okay it's a little too quiet on the mic
let's try the other way
okay so we were too hot now we were too
cold let's see if we can uh find the
just right so yes this is an Issa based
system it has a 33 megahertz 46 DX we
are below the minimum requirements for
Windows 98 considerably below the
minimum requirements for Windows 98. I
am not actually sure this will work
I think it's gonna be interesting to try
so right now I um the hard drive is
wiped it's an onboard scuzzy Drive
um that isn't very scuzzy
um
so I'm thinking the most probable
outcome is it's gonna run for the entire
installation and then blue screen
um
we'll see
I'm mostly just doing this because I
really want I really wanted to try this
it is possible to bypass the installer
check but I will call oh yes you're
right the capture card is cut off on the
left
let me fix that that's here uh
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I I know exactly what happened
there we go I've seen I was thinking
earlier the content looked wrong I had
it cropped for when we were doing the
next station
so um I forgot to uncrop it
oh now I'm just gonna give Red Dwarf
anyway I think we should just get right
down into it so we we look here you can
see the hard drive is completely empty
we are currently booted off the network
from the
um
from the Nobel one
um this is 39 floppy disks plus a boot
disk uh this is the only version of 98
that exists on floppy it's actually
missing stuff and you also notice I have
a missing eject key so I have to use
something to do it so I'm going to show
you what happens if you start the
installer normally
yeah this is not a fast system
all right so I just run setup as is
it'll run for a bit
run for a bit
all right so now it's gonna just run
some routine checks
all is fine this is fine I do wonder if
I partitioned or put the disc in wrong
because it's saying it's exactly one
gigabyte which is not right
but I don't even know why it's seeing a
drive D like what is on Drive day
uh I mean Drive team probably is
something
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so okay so anyway it's going to do
uh Mario guy I've never successfully run
a protected mode OS on this I've tried
I've tried Linux I've tried netware
um os2 should work but I don't have a
protected mode version of it
so it's still going
still going
and still going
I I'm a little bit afraid to know how
bad
this is going to be like I ran the first
stage installer just to the point where
I started copying files
um
the thing is I know it's going to fail
because it's I there we go Windows 98
requires a processor with a 66 megahertz
processor or faster it's really bad that
this this is where we start
so I am so we do have a d Drive what is
on this D drive I don't remember I'm
just gonna blank it out because there
may still be personal information that I
forgot is on the system
uh so just give me a moment I just want
to make sure I'm not like
that's not this capture I'm just seeing
what is on day
uh uh oh D is the ram Drive I forgot
about that yeah it's been so long
um the way my boot disk works is it
makes a ram drive and it attached as
drives day okay that's fine so if we
want to actually start the install we
need to use the slash
um
I believe it's NM
let me make sure that's the right one
um Windows 98
yeah bypass minimum detection
like that's not a good place to start
you know I also give it is because
there's no we we don't need we don't
need to run scan disk
there we go
so I hope folks have been having decent
holidays I didn't know how successful a
stream on Christmas day would be
um
but I also know I spent a lot of
Christmases by myself so I figured you
know what I'll put the stream up we'll
see how many folks have uh come by we'll
have a good time
and seems like it's been a pretty good
success I mean
the holidays have always historically
been pretty hard for me this year wasn't
bad although uh this month on the other
hand I have words about but that's for a
different that's for a different topic
but
um
I don't know it's like I remember having
to get dragged to thing after thing
after thing after thing and it always
kind of sucked and
it's like why are we doing this and then
just got worse and worse over time okay
so now we're gonna start copying files
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is going it will start showing the
dialog box at some point but when I put
the key validation in it took about two
minutes for it to validate I don't know
if this is even going to work
I know officially this system tops out
at windows 31.
um with an IDE hard drive I could
probably go a bit further
and I do have an external scuzzy I have
a scuzzy card I could put in this system
uh that's less bad
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and if we fail I get to try it again for
another stream which is always welcome
the biggest so the biggest thing is at
the start of this month
and really the end of November I decided
I wanted to do one last charity
fundraiser for the end of the year and
that's the 5K I was hoping to get a
video or two out this month as well I
uploaded the NT posix Real Time video
last night it was processing when I went
to sleep and when I checked it this
morning
it said it was unlisted with no flag so
it's probably ready to go I still need
to check it because YouTube sometimes
screws with the audio
I've had videos where I've uploaded it
and then the audio goes so I just have
to re-listen to it and then I'll
probably kick it out for patreons before
the end of the day today
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uh no I did not seen John will stream
about charity streams
so
um the early 386 got taped as far as
anyone can tell because over on the os2
museum there's been a fairly long
discussion about that the general the
general belief here is that
um
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the general belief here is that
uh
the very early Ace A and B steppings or
engineering samples and partner samples
um the free Asics was a fairly large
step forward as far as protected mode so
the early silicon probably got
distributed pretty far and that's why
there's aretta for so many things in the
operating system like even xenix has
detection and correction for the eye
mule bug on the 386. as far as anyone
can tell the first retail system started
the C1 stepping which was less bad
yeah
so there's that this is not a free this
is a 486 uh it's a 486 that was actually
made by Intel it's Esa based but it uses
a very straight it has IDE but we're
using a scuzzy drive it's a non-z it's
non-standard scuzzy controller hookup
standard chip but I haven't figured out
how it works
um it has a non-standard ethernet
adapter
um and it's just every time I've tried
to do something with the system it just
fails in interesting and catastrophic
ways
yeah
I wouldn't be surprised if a few AO
stepping 386 has made it out it's not
unheard of of engineering samples making
it out on through well effective through
back channels like it's happened with
arm a few times where early silicon will
leak and it's so I wouldn't be surprised
if that's pretty much exactly what
happened like intel was not super picky
about who could get the 386 like there
was a lot of small shops that could get
early free E6 hardware and they probably
just got rebadged and resold to
Consumers even though the Silicon was
buggy
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so there's that still going
um I should note that these discs should
all be good like I don't know even know
how easy it'll be to rewrite a new one
that's actually a really concerning
question I didn't even think about
what I'm going to do with one of the
discs fails
um
I'm just gonna be optimistic
it's probably the wrong sentence to use
here but I am going to be optimistic
about this
the the way that it people we have taken
it in the modern in the preservation era
is 586 refers to Pentium compatible
classes with 686 referring to Pentium
Pro and that's a pretty important
distinction to make
because Pentium Pro compatibility is
generally defined as having the C move
instruction
uh and that's actually something I
talked about
on the sun PCI I should actually maybe
if I do one more wacky stream before the
end because I think what I'm going to do
is after this stream I'm going to do a
fair number of very chillax streams
because I got to tell you this month is
this month is just being me of a goddamn
stick
um I really want to get back into my
dungeons dragons and space shuttles
modded Minecraft world I'm actually an
end game like ddss is essentially Greg
Tech New Horizons and I'm going for the
Stargate uh the final task of the pack
that I have left to do
um is I have to make the super rank the
the the the the ring uh let me I think
I'm gonna have to do disc swaps here in
a moment so hold on
and make sure I have the serial number
up okay so we can accept the license
agreement
now this part I normally block this out
but yeah but I want to show what happens
when I type the swing in
I'll put a mark in the
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all right so now I hit next and I'm just
gonna kind of sit here for a bit
I don't know what it's calculating
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like I don't know why it's calculating
this takes a very long time it will get
past this step I made sure of that
um
okay
yeah no I've got I I've got I get
annoyed with the amount of heat I get on
charity streams but I've come to the
point that
I'm just going to accept it for what it
is because the actual view count doesn't
go down uh I mean we're at 90 for our on
Christmas Day I'm gonna say that's
pretty good
um because my average is between 100 and
200 I think the highest we ever got was
like 240 on one of the early ones I
think that was during the os2 project I
think we got as high as 240.
there I there is a video on YouTube that
talks about someone who actually reverse
engineered the 95 algorithm it's there
is a computational cost in actually
calculating it but most systems are so
fast it's kind of meh
um but this is a this is a 33 megahertz
486 it does not have L2 cache
like
LG like the way like this the uh the
wood lgr's wood grain 486 would run
circles around this system
um I've talked about Dave Plummer before
there's
um I know he's talked about a lot of
things but I have to verify some of
those uh we are you know I need to catch
up on the reading these out hold on let
me
um Anonymous I don't even know what
currency Anonymous donated in it's a
shape MPI one thank you for the 20 Euro
donation see bass apologist thank you
for the 20 donation and for LGB for
Trevor Project and Dan Pellegrino thank
you for the five dollar donation
okay
all right
oh
yeah that may actually be shekels I
I it's one of the very it's one of the I
actually haven't been to that part of
the world I've been to Egypt I've been
to Iraq I haven't been anywhere else in
the Middle East my biggest problem is
um
stamps from that region of the world can
cause you problems down the line so I
didn't Iraq was not a big deal strangely
enough but
I it's just something I haven't done
so Merry Christmas uh Steve
um
I personally think I'm Amiga is
overrated I legitimately think Amiga is
overrated
um
the games are okay but the games all
play on an a508 or even an a1000 and in
recent years the A600 has gotten more
popularity but
that was all they were really good at
unless you were doing video production
stuff like the V but the video toaster
wasn't a Commodore product
yep
I unfortunately do not um I do have a
couple of power Macs but I don't have a
G3 to run Mac OS 10 server one point x I
have managed to recompile the associated
version of Darwin though so I wouldn't
mind
um
I wouldn't mind doing more okay so let's
I'm just gonna install the everything
because it'll be funnier
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yes and I've used these discs before so
that's not a problem
and you hear the model wow we can
actually serve a website off this thing
with the personal web server
that sounds like such a horrible idea
okay
so we have enough disk space
uh
uh okay that's fine
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there we go
what was the original was it actually
IIs or was it really just
um like IIs but oh just branded is I
don't even remember
yeah um Doom for God Doom perhapsody
what would that even involve like it
probably isn't that hard but
does STL even support next step I mean
you could probably make the Mac OS 10
code work
but that's about it
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I do have a so I do have a 286 that I
have never used on stream I've only
powered it on a couple of times
um I it's an IBM model 3286 with one
megabyte of ram I want to I bought it
specifically for running os2 but I have
to increase the amount of memory wow
this is running so slow you can see the
animation of the text
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yeah this this 486 is honestly I should
send it to action retro because action
retro would probably have a lot of fun
with it but I really like this machine
so
I'm actually going to step away from
keyboard for a moment while this copies
so I'll be right back talks to amongst
yourselves
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the reason is not that it doesn't run in
protect mode because I did actually get
the Linux kernel to boot running off the
network the problem is that all the
drivers are so non-standard that only
MS-DOS seems to work although 98 has a
chance it's not frozen trust me it's not
frozen
uh we just have to be very patient so
while while we're waiting I will give
you let's read something from the book
The Book of resources
a reading from the book of resources ah
exactly what I was looking for actually
actually it is exactly
real mode drivers and the iOS in safe
driver list
Microsoft strongly recommends that you
use 32-bit protect mode drivers whenever
possible with protected mode drivers
configuration information and a
configuration information stored in the
registry rather than config.sys or other
files
the following guidelines for device
entries and config.sys and whether such
drivers can be required removed under
Windows 98
when you use only protection mode
drivers the only configuration
information the operating system needs
to know for your system startup is the
location of the Windows 95 startup file
see I told you I was going to keep going
um you do not need to load drivers and
config.sys or autoexec.bat any boot
device in your computer that needs real
mode support does not require an entry
and config.sys in the unusual case that
the CD-ROM drive is part of system start
a setup entries for this device must be
included in config.sys
that's interesting so why are they you
know actually
this book was written in 95 probably 94
really
so here's the question is for 1994 What
scenario would require you to start from
a CD as part of the boot process okay
now we gotta put disc one back in this
is the part that gets really annoying
but maybe after this I will try and
figure out how to make a floppy disk
version of Windows Millennium Edition
because I did look into what that would
require
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well the thing is that scuzzy boot is
see why would you need to start Windows
95 as part of the boot process of a CD
it was never really supported there is
some diskless support in 95 like it is
possible to run a diskless system like I
mean no hard drive running off a network
so I guess conceivably Microsoft
allowed you to do I well actually now
I'm curious could you make a live CD out
of Windows 95
uh this case was not yellow in this case
the Le the light in the room's a little
bit
um tinted but this is not a yellow this
keyboard is in a very good condition
so there's that
I know that n light but no did end light
I know you can re-customize the software
but I didn't think it could actually run
off the CD entirely like what I'm
talking about is running the full
Explorer environment
okay
like this has some very interesting
things here is um
is a computer requires any real mode
entry so let's see here because this
talks about how scenarios
uh so and I uh this is actually relevant
like this is actually relevant to Matt
KC running Windows Millennium Edition on
the
um on that freaking iMac that that was
that was impressive pain like
like I believe this is the actual thing
I'm reading I just don't know if it
works on Millennium Edition
but 98's pretty similar so apparently we
just need to edit a file called ios.in
so let's let's actually let's read about
this this is actually
so
uh the safety the safe driver list
ios.in can include the following
information whether the driver hooks in
13 model isn't 13
um
so realmo drivers considered
unsafe okay so basically the very short
version about all this is this is
basically talking about
um
how
um
talk about how you can um use a realmo
driver which is the one way this might
possibly work we might get all the way
through the install though and it's
going to explode uh Mario guy if you
look at my GitHub there's actually
resources to build a ram disk boot desk
uh I did document how I did it with
netware
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um
so let's
let's see what we can do here
so
Windows 95 does not change the version
of the driver TRS and list so the vendor
must change the name of the driver so
it's completely file based
um
I mean it'll probably just work all
things considered
tips for using real mode drivers versus
safe protected mode drivers if a real
mode driver provides better performance
provides some functions not present in
the Windows 95 protected mode driver you
should remove the real mode driver from
the safe driver list so that Windows 95
uses real mode to access the driver
similarly a real mode driver can safely
be taken over by a protector mode driver
added to the safe list
so how do we Define something going into
the safe list and I'm hoping this is
true for 98 as well
uh Steve Greer thank you for the 20
donation
okay
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we are doing we are doing well we're now
up to four thousand uh I think we've
raised like 15 uh one hundred and fifty
dollars we might actually finish this
thing out
this stream which would be amazing I
really I was really concerned we weren't
um Uzi SEC thank you for the 100
donation to travel project
oh wow that is that is something else
I'm actually curious how far we're going
to get all right I'm going to keep
reading here because this is fascinating
all right so
the long and short of it is
there's basically a whole syntax to this
file including qualifier string do not
care
I mean indicates the driver is uh can be
used either way
it looks like this is only used for
protected mode uh drivers in config.sys
but I do have the scuzzy drivers for
this system
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like I do actually have the scuzzy mode
drivers let me let's look in the back of
the buck let me let's look up
um
let's look up n13 let's see what
sections
are actually if where it actually talks
about that because n13 is the failback
driver this will probably end up using
to your land View
inbox setup in files
installing
in 13 safe drivers I think that was the
page we were just on unfortunately is
that really it
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that may actually be it
and then this talks about partitioning
hard drives
and then a whole whole bunch of warnings
here about using stacker and stuff so
I'll read I'll read some more from the
book of resources
this is
actually where is my soda
oh there it is
uh this uses the what this uses the
weird 1.68 megabyte format
um there's a previous live stream on my
channel where I went through and created
all the desks showing how to do it
because these are not original as you
can see
um
I was I wanted to do this charity stream
and I've been trying to get this set off
eBay for a while
um
it's shown up like once and I wasn't
that I got outbid it's just the bin it's
just the seller just basically never got
back to me
and considering how many discs and how
old they are the odds of them actually
working were not optimistic so I just
basically
yeah
hey we have uh Hey Europa
you know if you really want pain we we
you can install Windows 98 from floppy
disks on the sun PCI you might just die
of old age
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at least at least I don't have to get
the CD-ROM drive out I mean I could have
installed it over the network but
why do so
why do so all right
Chad do you have any you know what Chad
I want to hear where you might want me
to read from
um I'm just gonna read some chapter
titles out and I'll read us I'll read a
section or two and then maybe I will go
for something else like
do we want to hear about the magic of
electronic mail
do we want to hear about setting up a
modem
do we want to look at the introduction
to Windows Communications let's look at
a few other pages
there's remote Administration
wow they have an entire section on
security I can't imagine what that's for
um
so
there's that electronic mail
these are neat these this is a this is
such a neat book for as like I know I'm
being completely geeky but it is a neat
book
all right I think people want to hear
about electronic mail
all right so let's let's start with the
electronic mail uh starts on page 831
okay we have more sections to read
I don't want to read about application
support there is no applications here
there is there is only zor
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printing
uh no I don't want to send a fax because
that just sounds like pain
oh this this change time
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there we go
next desk
this so
electronic mail and Microsoft Exchange
and
this chapter includes describes the
electronic mail and messaging features
of Windows 98. uh sorry Windows 95
including the Microsoft Exchange client
Microsoft Exchange provides a central
place for sending and receiving messages
within a work group and to and from
other messaging services such as
electronic mail faxes and online
services
yep
some kids are playing outside so
directly behind the wall like if I was
to take this monitor behind me there's a
window here there's a bunch of kids
playing in the courtyard it is cold here
I'm hoping
hoping things are okay
Microsoft Exchange the basics Windows 95
includes the Microsoft Exchange client
and advanced messaging client that
retrieves messages from one
all right that retrieves messages from
one inbox to many kinds of messaging
wow every time I try to read someone's I
gotta close the window
I I say I go to close the window and I
realize that the when the uh I've got
the fan still propped open no wonder
it's been so cold in here
uh not that I usually use this room all
that much
um if I don't have the window open I get
the heat in here builds up I'm on the uh
I'm basically I get a lot of heat build
up from the floors below me since I'm
not on the ground floor
so it just gets very very hot
okay so uh what was I saying
Windows 98 includes the Microsoft
Exchange client and an advanced
messaging application that retrieves
messages from one minute inbox from many
kinds of message service providers
including Microsoft Mail the Microsoft
network and Microsoft facts I I don't
think it's that many different types of
providers I think it's just different
types of Microsoft products like chat
would you disagree with that assessment
I don't know how would I even get
Discord running on this system I I I I
guess there's probably a client that
would work but
like that just sounds painful
okay well we're seven discs in so out of
39.
like this was a good idea right chat
it's here
39 discs on 39 discs that have to be
decompressed because these are all
cabinet files like this this isn't just
copying files this is decompressing on a
486 this is
this isn't going to be dreadfully
painful
I mean we're already below the minimum
requirements like we are well below the
minimum requirements for 98. So I the
only reason I think it might have a
chance is that I put additional memory
in the system we do have 32 megabytes
which should
should be enough
so okay
so here's the so here talking about the
exchange client so in this version that
you know I forgot about this exchange
was the name of the mail client it
wasn't the name of the server yet it was
still Microsoft mail at this point then
they reused the name exchange uh to
create Exchange Server and that is now
just Microsoft Exchange yes so exchange
used to be the client
oh
I my early uh early Microsoft networking
stuff is just complete and total voodoo
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yeah
I I'm just hoping this will actually
work because considering you're going to
need
um because you see it's not actually
copying files it's like all doing the
decompression right now
so Lucy in chat never throw a bad idea
out here it might get taken seriously
so I we're currently at what just short
of the 40 minute mark
okay
so actually let's time this I'm curious
on how long it's going to take to finish
each desk
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all right so that's disk 8N and we put
disc 8 in at 38 minutes and 13 seconds
so there we go
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so it is ticking away ticking away
took it away
so yes so right now I actually
completely forgot about that little bit
of History like I think I mentioned it
on the Windows 3.1 networking video
which was actually the second one I ever
did on this channel at least as far as
vintage Tech goes I do have a bunch of
unlisted ones I kind of want to go
through and put back up
um but that will be effort like I do
have my old Minecraft Let's Plays from
when I was trying Celestial Journey but
I've been
um
I've been seriously thinking about
trying I either want to grind out the
net hack Ascension on stream because I
kind of want to do a video on net hack
um because
you know
I don't know how many people have picked
it up because like actually let's let me
ask to chat this because I think at this
point I I want to see her
um
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yeah yeah let's just I'm just gonna ask
I'm just gonna ask like I am curious how
many folks have actually played net hack
like obviously folks here have seen me
do it if you're a regular because I
pulled out probably every other stream
so it only took two minutes to finish
this desk
but I don't think that's
like the average so let's see here so
let's put this disc in
okay
I don't think it would be possible to
build the source code to Firefox in the
46.
um so most people have not played net
hack so and I have never gone a
character to even to the quest let alone
to the um to Medusa or past so I kind of
would like to do a documentary on the
history of net hack but I would need a
full recording of an Ascension which
means I'd have to actually
play the game get the amulet and Ascend
with it and
my ascensions are considered fast for
net hack because I usually clear in 20
to 40 000 turns which is considered a
fast Ascension
um but that is
literally talking about
30 to 40 hours of real-time gameplay
because nethack is uh net hack
speedrotting for what it is is measured
by the turn count not by the score count
so
yeah I mean we did the entire net hack
stream I really did enjoy that
um I I gotta say that's probably one of
the more favorite ones I've done on the
channel but I really do want to finish
dungeons dragons and spaceships I
started that world with blasek two years
ago
and
I let me you know let's let me just see
what chat is
um have you heard
of Greg Tech New Horizons
um gtnh is sort of a meme pack in the
Minecraft modded Minecraft Community but
there are people who do really enjoy it
and I I at least
well I occasionally do watch videos
about it
and when I say occasionally I mean I
followed both lashmark and free folds
play through
all right
so you know there's that
okay so the thing with Greg so the thing
with gtnh is it's not unaccurate saying
like a wood plank is a dragon egg
surrounded by nether stars and that
recipe actually exists in the pack as a
meme but
um GT H is probably one of the most
I don't want to say grindy
I would say one of the longest packs
because the gold gtnh and it's basically
unachievable if you're unless you're
like insane is to create the Stargate uh
a pair of Stargate rings from Stargate
craft and it has been done uh I think
amphibious lizard or one of the other
YouTubers did an entire video on the
quest to get the Stargate I've been
playing a
thematically similar pack called
dungeons dragons and space shuttles
where for the power of genetically
manipulating beasts to break time and
space I am at the end game of this pack
there's only one final task to do and
that's going to be making the
um the fusion ring the problem is that I
need
3172 Fusion ring segments and each one
of these things is obnoxiously expensive
like to make the full ring
um applied energistics was just kind of
crying in the corner
so
I I've never played West of loving I I
should bring break out kol
um I think this week is really going to
be
me experimenting with the format on the
channel because
it was not my original plan I was
expecting to take a two to three month
Hiatus and then season two would start
I wrote a bunch of scripts for season
two
um I actually have a script that is done
talking about the early history of the
internet my work with network Unix was
actually directly tied to that but every
time I've tried to get a video going
it's my muse just kind of escapes me so
I've just mostly been live streaming to
keep the community active I enjoy live
streaming I really do
but I don't know why I
I think a lot of it is I'm taking time
off to better short my infrastructure
so
um
well I basically put a um
um I could always use help editing
um that that's actually the point I'm
getting to one of the big things that I
started doing back in November is
I started the process of incorporating
an LLC
um and I've it's actually already
started to pay dividends but I still got
more to do here I think what I'm
probably going to do over the next three
to four months is I'm going to continue
building up infrastructure for streaming
stuff so that's basically getting my LLC
fully in order
um being able to hire pay people and be
able to do more because there's a lot of
projects we do collectively as a
community like the wiki has become a
very good source of random knowledge
about vintage Computing and the wiki can
be searched by Google which means it
gets archived you know it's probably on
the way back machine by now
so I want to be in a much better
position to be able to get things like
that to happen and then I think I'll be
ready to come back to doing full-time
content but I also want to be able to
stream things that are not just vintage
Computing because this is not my entire
life I mean I really picked I've always
enjoyed vintage computing but a lot of
why I started doing this is because
covid be covid
I feel like these are going faster
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that's disc 12.
so there we go
I mean I I have a I have a 4X Synology
Nas that I use for video adding I it's
it's an Sr it's a shot to configuration
so two drives back up two drives hot but
I'll just get a disc expander when it's
time to add more storage and I'll be
good to go
yeah yeah so like I said I'm not
completely sure what is the future is
going to hold I
I really find I do enjoy doing the live
streams
and I do like and the live streams are
pretty easy to have someone else edit
although the last one did not go as
planned in that that regard
um
like
the biggest problem is not the research
it's the actual video production to make
things interesting for late you know not
for Lay people I I think that's not uh
that's not a good term to use here but
how do you make something like IBM AIX
interesting well you port Doom to it but
then you have to explain why AIX is
interesting in the first place and this
is how you get to a one hour and ten
minute I do think in many ways that is
the video I'm most proud of is the AIX
Doom one and
I set the bar a little bit too high for
myself because it's very hard to reach
that level of quality
so there's that
uh wow man my brain my train of thought
just derailed there so that's kind of
where I see things going I I don't know
what the new year is going to hold
because unfortunately this month is kind
of from a monkey wrench in
basically everything I had been planning
but
you know
sometimes that does help
I mean that is what I'm I'm definitely
time to change the disc
foreign
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there it goes now it's reading
uh several the BSD should
um well they would work on a4a6 they
wouldn't work on this 4a6 if I was to
put a IDE hard drive in it would
probably work but the problem is that
this system has problems with drives
larger than 504 megabytes like you know
it's kind of a damned if you do damn if
you don't the way I can make it a less
bad 486 is if I disabled the onboard
scuzzy put in an adapt Tech card and
then put in a replacement Nick I
actually do have that
so
yeah there's a lot of things I want to
do like
um there's a lot of preservation work
that just can't be one person doing it
like
um relatively recently someone did a
very long write-up on Willow on the wiki
which was
um Willow is the windows libraries for
os2 it was basically intended as a
porting solution
I need to move my you know what I think
my Christmas gift for myself I don't
know when I'm gonna buy this I think I'm
gonna buy a new chair because I think
this one has
hold on
why am I so below to the ground I feel
like I you know I felt like
yeah I think I just need a butt I think
we're going to I think in addition to
the lamp we're going to have the chair
yeah these are going faster
come on come on come out
foreign
there it is
oh
okay that was not in all the way
favorite version of Mac OS so that's a
hard one
I I am pretty partial to Mac OS 9
because that was the version I remember
using a lot as a kid when I was in
school
um
yeah we're definitely coming up to disc
15. I really hope we're not going to
meme disc 15 again
like
really hoping so one of the things I was
looking into so I was looking at making
the floppy disk version of Millennium
Edition is that cabinet files can be
actually split to any size so it would
be entirely possible to make a low
density
3.3 360 kilobyte
um kilobyte
install media
I am not that insane
but it could be done
I will say that I really I I have gotten
a lot more respect for Next Step having
reintroduced myself to the joys of I
mean
don't get me wrong Next Step has some
shall we say problems and when I say
problems I mean serious problems but
um you know we got the next station out
last time it's unfortunately back on my
bookshelf because but
um
or will be it's still staying in the
living room but that was probably one of
the more fun streams I've done in a
while
we've object the the thing with Next
Step though is it was the first really
user-friendly Unix because in the era
that next step was created it really was
just competing I don't even think Motif
was standardized at that point like I
don't
like you really just had Sun View and
you had hp's uh video uh the visual user
experience which basically came the base
the the starting point for CDE
thank you for the 15 Nation
oh we are nearly there we are just 400
short actually hold on what is the
actual dollar amount because of course I
can't actually see it on my panel yeah
so we are
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380 short I think we're going to make it
what track is playing I actually haven't
muted hold on
oh yes this one I like I like this one
myself the music library I'd use when
streaming is stream beats
um
uh so there's that
maybe you know what let me let me pull
let me just ask you know let's see here
um
let's see here ddss Minecraft
stream in
I got really I gotta really take my
MacBook apart because the keyboard is
not uh grandpa thank you for the 20
donation
um thank you for another 20 donation
um
let's see here
we are going to make it I think we are
actually going to make it to the stream
I that is awesome that is a Chris that
is an awesome way to spend Christmas is
to get that little bar past the 5K mark
like that is absolutely absolutely
phenomenal and we're not even an hour in
usually the donations come in pretty
slowly over the course of a stream
so once we hit the 5K
um what I what once what my plan is
probably going forward is we'll probably
have us a winter and summer fundraiser I
think the winter one is basically what
I've just been doing for the last month
the summer one
probably I don't know exactly what
that's going to involve
I really want to make another stab at
biking across the country but I don't
think I'm going to do it in 23 I think
that's going to be a 24 thing
but I gotta be honest while I was forced
to quit that trip because of kovid
I do want to do it and it is by biking
it's about it's just over 3 000 miles
Coast to Coast
so if we could get people to pledge one
dollar per mile or even 10 cents per
mile
like I would really that would be
probably one you know one of the an
amazing thing to happen but that would
also mean building up Restless Yankee to
the extent that the main channel is
because
this channel the end Commander channel
is my original one if you actually look
on the YouTube about page it's from
2006. I started Restless Yankee because
I wanted a clean break from my online
Persona and the biking stuff because
there's like no overlap in those two
communities
so
um
what it really comes down to is do I
still want to do that because I strongly
considered putting a full length video
on the main Channel talking about biking
to Boston
that was a difficult Bike Tour like that
would I didn't expect that route to be
as hard as it was and very little went
right on that trip although obviously I
I did it and I succeeded but I think I
spent like six to seven nights back to
back to back wild camping including the
run-in with law enforcement that was not
fun
um for those who haven't watched my
Restless Yankee videos
I'll drop the channel Link in chat right
now
uh stream seems okay for me I'm seeing
it here looking okay
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okay uh John I hope you have a great uh
great holiday it's going well we're
definitely you know up to 121 on
Christmas Day I'm happy I almost did
something on Christmas Eve but okay
um rijay Talley thank you for the 100
donation to Trevor Project
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the the odds are the thing is bring it
all together because
um
doing an actual video is very different
than doing a live stream that's off
topic
um the algorithm penalizes you
um
we I might do a New Year's Unix uh I
almost I really if I had a Dell I would
really be actually I do have a Dell it's
just like
two decades too new uh
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desks just stuck on each other
disc 17. so we have gone past disk 15.
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uh
what was I saying
my brain just completely uh
completely just went sideways hold on
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I don't know how I want to incorporate
Restless Yankee going forward I kind of
on it for its own reason I want to keep
it separate restless so the original
plan I had for YouTube
and I I might as well talk about this I
don't think I've actually ever said it
although I may have implied it
um
in 2018 and 2019 as I've mentioned
before I suffer from permanent
disability
um I was doing a lot of work in the DNS
policy space because it was possible and
I started branching into a DNS research
project to see if you could find DNS
records being modified or at least
split brain in real time it basically
depends on some very intricate parts of
the DNS protocol and understanding how
the Deep magic actually works and do not
go that far into the deep Magic
um
So what had basically become a side
effect of all this is I did get funding
I actually got over a hundred thousand
dollars basically to build the proof of
concept
but to actually succeed to this I was
going to need a lot of
essentially I was going to have to do a
lot of lobbying with DNS and uh human
rights groups to actually get this to go
somewhere and I was basically sitting
and thinking this is too much for one
person
and
um just due to various life stuff the
actual
um the actual funding that I got was
delayed even before coved
uh it's making that sound
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channel was complete though this
predates the channel existing
okay okay so apparently that disc did
read I was worried it wasn't
so
let me change the desk out
So what had happened was was I I and at
this point my life was really not in a
good place like I I was doing DNS work
but I was
it was damn near impossible at times so
the thought that I had was I was going
to try and challenge what could actually
well the way my mother says it and the
way I remember it are two very different
things
but
um the way I remember it personally
is
I felt that I wasn't going to be able to
do DNS capture I feel like I had bit too
much I I basically chew bit off too much
that I could chew but I wasn't sure
about that so I had about a six month
period before I was actually going to
get a check uh just because of the way
the funding had worked out I had been
approved but the money was in limbo
um
I decided that I was going to fly to
Tallahassee
Jacksonville I bought a bike
and I was going to go straight across
um I got my stamina back up on New York
City city bikes in Winter actually that
was miserable I actually have videos
talking about this on the rest of Sankey
Channel
um
I built up the necessary leg muscles
again it wasn't my first bike tour but
it was the first time I've toured in
years and touring and biking in New York
City is to court death
um
like you can do it I you need to be very
careful while doing it
so
what had really come after that
is I flew Jacksonville I bought my
current bike the avd 1.1
and I just started doing it
unfortunately covid made itself known
but I did make it across the Florida
Panhandle I made it about 600 miles
before I finally threw in the towel
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so
yep well I do find it interesting that
we're actually installing Windows 98 on
a system that was obsolete when not like
truly obsolete when 98 came out
like I can't imagine anyone even trying
to do 95 on this system it's just that
lethargic
like there are some drivers for 95 for
the ethernet but I'm really
what I'm really expecting
is we're going to go for all the discs
and it's got blue screen
like I don't actually expect this to
work
but I have been wrong before and I could
be wrong again
so let's find out
wow
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EG Beneva
thank you for the 300 donation which
puts us past 5K what are we at exactly
we are at five thousand and fifty four
dollars we
wow chat please
please give a round of applause that is
incredible
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that is it we have raised 5K
that is your Christmas miracle
that is amazing thank you I
you know there's a lot of people
uh in my chat uh if you're not on my
Discord I have channels to talk about
some of this
the Trevor Project the big thing it
provides is they provide a
uh you've they provide a hotline
for anyone who needs it
to deal with you know basically to deal
with
I I would guess it's
the National Suicide Hotline but for
LGBT like if you're dealing with a lot
of that and
they don't get a lot of money uh I could
look up their form 990s but I just know
for a fact they don't get a lot of money
so uh 5K I mean that's that's enough to
pay someone full time for a month that
more than you could probably get two
because it's not gonna be high paid work
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it really does go to help helping making
people
be able to live
I don't even know what to say to that
like I didn't expect that so that is
incredible
but we did it 5K right there
and we have time to spare we still have
uh we still have the end we still have
the last week of the year
that was amazing that was utterly
amazing I I mean I was probably like I
was at the point that we are close
enough that if by some chance we were
going to make 5K I will just do it my I
just put make up the difference myself
but
I'm just wow that puts us I think that
brings us to 12 000 raised for charities
in 2022. I'd have to go through and
check all the math but I'm pretty sure
that we are past 12 000 in total because
we raised three thousand for Planned
Parenthood we raised another I think it
was 4 000 in total for national network
of abortion funds and now we've just put
5K down for Trevor Project
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and I just built soda on myself
that that that just really does that I I
like I don't know what else to say here
I should do the v-necks as a stream so
about a year ago I did a port of
um Phoenix oh uh 8088 and I fixed a
bunch of bugs so you can actually run it
with an XT IDE
a I meant to do a video on it but it
never happened for a variety of reasons
I've been meaning to go back and do that
and we are now more than halfway through
the net for the install for the disc
copying process we just finished
discs 10 through 20.
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no Robo Robo yeah I pre I I this stream
should be proof that I like pain
like I I'm still I'm sorry I'm still a
little flabbergasted we actually made it
like I'm basically just sitting here and
you know I like I know for a fact that
as a
collectively as a community we've done
some pretty incredible stuff
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but the idea that I basically said yeah
we're just going to raise 5K
and it happens
is amazing like
at some point I might decide to do a
Kickstarter for some of my projects like
there's a couple of things that I would
like to do very in-depth projects for
but I would need I probably need to
raise funding for it
I have floated the idea with patreons in
the past I haven't done that but like I
have thought about running a 10 grand
Kickstarter for doing a very elaborate
video
on I I really want to do an in-depth os2
video
but that is going to be an incredibly
difficult project for a lot of reasons I
actually would have to track down more
hardware for that one that's part of
what makes that so hard
great connects thank you for the 20
donation
yep
I've actually so uh a Mario guy I've
actually run into that bug check because
when I first got this system I think I
even meant show it on stream
um a non-stream on video I did test to
see if Windows NT because this machine
is listed on the Windows NT 3.1
compatibility list
but you need a Scott you need an IDE
hard drive to use it not the scuzzy
drive that I have
I could probably run sko Unix on this
like sko Unix would oh sco Unix was
actually officially supported
it is possible that skull Unix has a
driver for the scuzzy
so yep
um the video the police interaction was
not on stream uh I mentioned it it
should be in the last video I put on the
Restless Yankee Channel here's what
happened is I got caught between cities
um late at night and the riding was
becoming dangerous to the point that if
I did not stop I was going to get myself
killed like I was literally riding
through the night on one headlight
and I found a pull-off
and I just put the tent up like it
wasn't uh I was in the campground it was
off the side of the road
um
I honestly thought I was gonna die if I
had just kept going so I I threw the
bike down I'm setting up the tent in
Pitch Darkness I have just a little bit
a little flashlight in my hand that's
letting me see how the poles go together
so I get the tent up I get the sleeping
bag out and I'm just lying there and
that was a that was a hard night that
was that was one of the more harder
nights of that trap
um
I have wild Camp before
I've wild cam several times but in this
particular case no one knew where I was
um
I have been forced off my main route
that I had been on
um because I I'm doing so let me explain
a little bit about bike touring so bike
touring is fundamentally the art from
going from point A to point B by bicycle
the very I've done long distance
traveling but the very first one I did
was from Rochester to Buffalo and
Buffalo back uh to Rochester
um
I do unsupported uh unsupported solo
traveling which means I carry all my
gear with me and I'm traveling by myself
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I don't think I really have to explain
why that can go so wrong because if if
basically something happens the only
person that I can depend on
help for is myself and like I've blown
tires out in fact I actually blew a tire
out uh it's not on video but I did blow
a tire out on this bike trip I actually
I blew out two tires uh one guy nail and
the other one exploded literally
exploded uh there's a short on the
Channel showing the damnation Matt thank
you for the five dollar Canadian
donation
um Bare Metal Tech TV you need to do a
full routing setup to handle IP traffic
from the public internet going down
so
um
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what what had happened afterward is
I was basically sitting in my tent and I
was reaching out to people with telegram
there's a few people that have access to
the track by location feature
but that was a that was a not a good
night
um
it had started raining and I was in
Connecticut uh Connecticut has wild
bears I was actually not that far from
the at
um so I'm just sitting there
I could hear the occasional car going by
on the highway nearby I'm still eight
miles ahead to the next town on
mountainous Terrain
and I'm just I can't sleep you know
sleep disorder life be like that so I'm
basically just sitting there so I
probably passed out somewhere about
three in the morning while sitting in
the tent
um and I was up at 7 30 and I was so
groggy that I could barely function and
I was just sitting there and uh
Connecticut state troopers rolled up
uh they gave me a tongue lashing but
they just let me off of a warning that
for camping on state ground because it
was emergency I already had the tent
broken down I just was still packing it
up
um
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so yeah that was the law enforcement
run-in I had on that trip I've had a
couple other ones but that was the first
one where I was like oh man this is gone
badly
um
there's a few like the other ones I can
think of is
you know like I've occasionally had to
deal with Ellie or construction workers
oh hold on does this change
just 22.
hi chat
so I mean that's really what it comes
down to is
but I the the fundamental thing that I
should say is the reason I started doing
the long the long distance bike tours I
need to know what the limit of what I
could actually do was because
the disability over time became worse
and I always had sleep issues from when
I was little like my mother says even as
a toddler I didn't sleep through the
night so until like I was age three or
four which is way later than most
children uh I have no conscious memory
of that I do remember it was always
miserable
um
about the time I hit 25 26 it just got
worse like it was bad and then
it got
bad
I think part of why I managed to keep so
long at canonical though is I was the
travel gopher I would spend have you
ever seen the movie up in the air that's
a pretty accurate summary of what my
life was like in those years
so
I'm just hearing joints crack right now
so
you know
the ques you know I have a physical
disability but what is the actual limit
of functionality
um I have looked at react OS I have no
interest in working on it
um
not that reactor OS doesn't have value
it has a lot of value but
I don't really like I can do operating
system development but
I it's hard to describe I don't know
exactly the words I'm looking for I
guess it just doesn't interest me it's
the best way I'm going with here
um that and because react OS you have to
mimic the design of the NT kernel you
can't really just go off and do your own
thing it's even less interesting
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so bear tech TV for routing IPS like
that what you would really you would
need to do is you need to have a public
VPS announce those IPS so the VPS is
receiving traffic there you would then
need to uh use iptables routes to
forward that to another Point
essentially doing a essentially doing
Nat but doing one-to-one port forwarding
it can be done it's just complicated
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I mean that's how I got my foot in the
door I I was a Debbie developer I just
applied for it and got it uh eventually
as was Ubuntu Motu
um I actually I'm a little sad I'm going
to probably lose my core to have
credentials from Ubuntu a bit
um my Launchpad account has two-factor
authentication enabled and I don't know
what happened but I don't have the 2fa
code for it
um there's one or two places it could
still be
but I will probably be locked out of
Launchpad and thus I can't renew my
credentials the only thing that place it
could potentially be is my like two
phones back I had
um one that might have the 2fa code for
Launch Pad but I don't have recovery
codes and launch and canonical's policy
is if you lose those you have lost your
account it's like
that's fine because I I don't see myself
ever going back there but it's a weird
way to close out that chapter of my life
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I've never run Haiku I I honestly don't
know enough to even
be objectively aside from the fact
I know that BLS uses C plus plus as a
system language and that has caused a
lot of pain
I highly respect the work that they've
done and in many ways
I mean Haiku could probably become a
desktop OS contender
because I do believe
the idea of a Linux desktop at this
point is dead and buried there's too
many people who just do not care so if
there is going to be a non-microsoft
alternative on the desktop or really a
non-microsoft non-mac alternative
haiku's probably the better the BET one
that is in a better position because you
know tracker from what I've seen BOS and
Haiku was very nice to use it just
doesn't have a lot of software but
um you really just need a web browser in
this day and age
foreign
I just heard my phone go off why did my
phone just go off
here hold eyes
it's unusual for my phone I only have a
couple of notifications enabled on my
phone so
uh give me a moment chat I just want to
check this
foreign
I just it was actually a holiday message
from someone I didn't expect to get a
message from so that's that's why I
decided to just check it I didn't want
to know if someone like
was having an emergency
okay
VCU thank you I'm doing what I can you
know
all right and that's disc 24 that I just
popped in so it helps it legitimately
helps all right
I believe once I believe the disc
copying goes all the way to 50 and then
we're just gonna have to wait for things
to decompress
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so definitely like I don't know the
state of haiku like I I should do a live
stream with it I just
Haiku and react OS have the same problem
is I worry as a content creator
people are basically going to Dogpile it
if it's because it neither I would say
is production quality yet like Linus
Tech tips did a react OS video
about a it was more than a year ago at
this point but
he basically trashed it
unfairly and it really put a bad taste
in my mouth that video
so um if I was to do it I'd do it
better yeah I mean LTT was
ah I like I I I have I don't watch a lot
of LTT content if I really am going to
watch
um
Tech news Gamers next is about the one
channel that I I think actually does a
good job because gamer Nexus will call
out bad behavior even in their partners
I feel like when I'm watching LTT half
the time I'm watching a paid sponsorship
familiar with Ashi I think it's awesome
that it's being worked on
um
I have very strong feelings about Linux
on arm that it's a disaster due
to a small number of people having their
head in the sand
I mean I was involved with it
I wasn't involved in the kernel layer
but I was involved with a lot of the
enablement stuff and
the problem with Linux on arm in a
general sense is arm arm has the arm as
in the company seems to have a inability
like
we needed the server start specification
15 years ago I wrote the first version
of that damn spec uh I worked with it in
John Masters in his apartment in
Cambridge
you know I said that you know that was
10 years ago
um
so
like why did it take so long for that
document we are in this horrible
situation that you have to support both
flan device tree and acpi it's absurd
um enablement in this context means that
we took Ubuntu and ported it to arm I
was right there at the beginning I was
even involved with that before uh the
canonical
um announced it officially like
basically when I got involved Ubuntu
didn't have an arm Port we had x86 we
had 3264-bit we had power PC uh we had
spark titanium and Pa Rask
so
there's that so what enablement means is
we basically pour the entire operating
system and then got it working on
specific Hardware but you can't do a
one-size-fits-all solution like you can
on xa6 because no one can agree with the
one size fits all specification is and
the people who make the operating system
don't seem to want to specify anything
like I I had a lot of pain and suffering
in this regard
yeah
so uh Christopher Jackson clip click
bait to an unfortunate degree is
necessary on YouTube I don't like the
practice
I have to even I have to engage with it
to some point
because it is essentially expected and
required
um
on YouTube original originality in
presentation and in content is the one
key factor of success
I have the advantage that basically no
one else is in this part of the field
um lgr does consumer electronics 8-bit
guy for the I haven't watched his recent
stuff but he really stays in the 8-Bit
early 16-bit era like it's pretty rare
he goes later
um
uzagi Electronics is 1970s 1980s I
really would love to see that Lang Rider
I hope he brings it to a VCF
um
let me think what else let me think of
the other big names that I can pick up
off the top of my head uh
Adrian's digital basement Adrian tends
to be all over the place but it's
generally early uh late 80s early 90s
again being in the 8-Bit era
um
I don't watch retro recipes enough to
even think of what he covers uh RMC does
a lot of the history but
his last few trash to Treasures I don't
like
I don't know I I feel like when it
became RMC there was a tone change that
I don't know so much I mean I I guess
starred on RMC at one point
I mean I I know you know I actually
really did enjoy his video on the his
series on the uh Commodore cdtv I think
he just does covers a lot of things I'm
just not interested in like his work is
very technically competent and enjoyable
to watch I just don't enjoy the subject
matter as much because the first video
of his I think I watched was the VAC
station
so
um it's from 40 floppies I mean you can
see the stack of them right here
although I guess the camera you can't
see how thick they are
um
I I don't watch his content very often I
don't actually watch a lot of vintage
Tech YouTube anymore like I watch lgr
because uh but not regularly like if I'm
playing Minecraft or if I'm doing
physical computer repair I like I'll
queue up lgr in the background
um
I'd probably say his my favorite lgr at
the moment and I I haven't caught up I
still think the ad-lib gold one
just because I really impress like wacky
Hardware I enjoy but the ad-lib gold is
something else
like
I could completely understand how
someone could spend so much for an
ad-lib gold
I I do occasionally
um
I I do watch Durango one videos I
actually some of my St I I I've been
compared to Durango one on more than one
occasion I always get surprised by that
comparison although I I see how people
make it
um
I
that's here I don't watch gravis very
often like I've watched some of gravis's
videos but gravis is a lot more AV
focused than I I don't actually have
that much interest in that
like I find it's interesting for the
sake of preservation but
I've got my Niche I know what where
what's where it is
yep
um yeah I've talked with Shelby before
uh we when he was dealing with his Dell
server uh we talked a fair bit about
trying to um
we tried I I helped trying to debug help
him debug
um the fans on that thing like saying
ipmi commands to it and that machine is
just cursed like I have dealt with fan
control in Linux and I just threw my
hands up as saying I would need a
flipping multimeter to see what the hell
this thing is doing
foreign
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like so Tech tangents is very solid
um I unders you know
it's a very it's a very technical
Channel very similar to asogi
electronics
um excellent content all around
yeah
so there's that
I mean the type of content you know the
thing with the con with content creators
is you have your own signature in style
One content creator is long-winded style
is another person's not enough detail
you there are tech there are technical
aspects like being able to talk clearly
making sure your audio is not clipping
but once you get past that everything
becomes sort of a stylistic choice
Tech tangents does long you know
actually I'm gonna go usagi Electronics
because I actually think this is the
best one
um the the hello the hello ORD video guy
basically he bought a he I don't
remember how he found I think he found
it for the secondary Market he basically
found a 1980s microcomputer from Central
Orion electronics and he's basically
been vlogging the restoration process
for the last
I don't know what a year at this point
like I know he tried to spin up the
Finch Drive and it crashed I don't
remember where he's at on it right now
um
so but he's the way he's basically doing
is he's documenting the restore process
from start to finish if I was to do a
video series like that
I'd probably do a very edited restore
process because the knowledge is so
specialized that I don't know how much
it would be good for a general content
like I'd probably do something similar
to what he's doing on a second Channel
and then I would edit it all together
to make an actual restoration video but
the flip side is
that is probably the last working
centorian on the planet like I wouldn't
even be surprised if there is that is
the last one
uh I Hearts Matt uh yeah I heart Max Z
thank you for the 100 donation for chair
project we are now going into overtime
so oh just 28.
and I do feel Tech tangent is very
similar like I said it's just a
different topic matter I I was I was
actually flabbergasted that he managed
to reverse engineer that CD controller
card like
so it's not in all the way yeah it's not
another way
so like I said
whether you like a content creator or
not because there are content creators I
don't like I not not that I not that I
don't like them as a person I the
content just doesn't do it for me
do remember that this is work like all
of us who do this we're putting a lot of
effort into it especially the ones of us
who have been doing this for a long time
cathode ray dudes been doing this for a
very long time lgr has been doing this
for over 10 years at this point
and like don't give him
for just not being your style like if
someone does something incredibly
obnoxious
that's different but if someone is
long-winded like
you don't have to watch them we all that
we all
gain the higher the more people that
care about preservation
before I got involved I don't think I've
ever heard of Audi archive before I got
involved with
um
in the Retro text Scene like as a
YouTuber there was no vintage Unix Scene
It didn't exist I think the largest I
think the biggest thing we had was Neo
Zed with uh their blog and Yosi doesn't
post Unix very often but foreign
like I know a few people have done
videos on
SGI irex because irex was so big in AV
production
um I know SG lgr had the Indigo 2 video
and
yeah I mean that's really what it boils
down to is
um
wow my trailer Fox just completely
derailed
we are the more people that are doing
this the better is for preservation as a
whole even the little tiny content
creators like I found um someone that
showed me a Windows CE video oh Windows
CE powered laptop that the video had
like 700 views they linked it when I did
not the journado one but these systems
are coming rarer and rarer and over time
the YouTube videos that we make now are
going to be the primary sources for the
net in 20 years from now because how
many of these systems do you think are
really going to survive another 20 years
okay
I mean I've always done content creation
I mean prior to YouTube I I helped
create well now I effectively created
Soylent news I wasn't a one-man effort
like I had a lot of help like there's a
reason why it's a public benefit
Corporation but I was my biggest
contribution is I proved that the old
code was usable and myself and a bunch
of others we got together we formed a
company and we made it happen
yeah like I mean
here's a really good example is the
Commodore Plus for
um or really any of the Ted machines
Commodore Ted machines suck uh you know
I'm gonna but especially because the Ted
chip is I don't want to say defective
but it overheats so there's very few
working Commodore 16s I have two plus
fours and I have one that has a working
Tad and one that doesn't
um but those machines have value just
because they were a bad business
decision it was one of the big reasons
that showed why Commodore went down the
bloody drain
yep uh the time estimate should not be
considered accurate I believe that is
what I'm going to because we are
definitely below the minimum
requirements here like we are way below
the minimum requirements
I mean yeah we've gone to the point that
more or less the 8-Bit family now can be
made from
you know fpgas
I don't know how much it's going to be
true of the later ones like
to recreate a Macintosh SE
from entirely new Chips
like I don't know how much like this is
why I don't use GoPro go tax
uh although I I think I'm really going
to just break down and put one in my CPM
machine
um
but the main reason I don't use go tax
is that you the inherent process of
using a floppy disk is part of the
process
so
so that's definitely
um part of it
because
well I apparently I'm just monologuing
today I apologize
uh
uh the S estimated oh
we got reactor self-destruct reactors
meltdown timer destroyed activating in
certain uh uncertainty reactor
destruction principle now this facility
was self-destruct in five minutes
oh God we've got we've gone portal we've
gone back to portal
that was probably the single funniest
joke to me in the whole thing that of
all the things that Aperture Science has
is the facility is melting down and the
timer gets destroyed it just
self-destructs
all right and now we are now we are now
three-fourths of the way for the initial
disk copy
all right disc 30.
Cave Johnson here at Aperture Science we
preserved the best of the Vintage
computer experience you you thought you
knew Windows 98 you thought you knew uh
Fourier sixes now look at this the Intel
professional workstation with a Fourier
six so anemic you can barely run Windows
98 on it
yep
yeah like like see that that's one of
the big points I uh so to add a little
context on that gabr one of the big
things is that Commodore because
Commodore was a Canadian company it
basically could dump stock on the other
side of the Berlin wall and prevent
those systems be re-imported from the
West
um as easily like once they sold the
systems in Hungary they couldn't easily
be brought back into the United States
since at that point the Soviet Union was
still a thing the Soviet Union didn't
collapse until uh it really didn't
collapse until 91 and didn't dissolve
until 92.
as did the Warsaw pack
so
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today's shows
oh I completely forgot about that joke
the trade horn one I I almost feel like
I want to do a portal to play through
but
I I don't know Portal 2 I've got I
enjoyed it when I played it but I always
find that something about that game
doesn't quite do it for me
yeah this is the this is the Intel
professional workstation
um the machine that every time I've
tried to do a project with it it fails
miserably
um the only way I could run Solaris on
this thing is if I put a replacement
scuzzy card and like I've got the you
know what I've got the card
I have the card somewhere I'd have to
look for it I just reorganized the
apartment and obviously now I can't
I can't find anything
I believe the actual minimum for Windows
98 is a 386 DX I don't think you can do
it with an SX because you need the I
guess you could do it with a 386 SX if
you had an FPU of 387
um I know the absolute minimum for
Windows 2000 so like in theory I should
be able to run 2000 on this machine like
it should work
um
if you donate to Coffee it goes to me
not to travel project
um if you want to support me directly
the coffee and patreon links are in the
description
but that is a donation to me I don't
want to handle money that's intended to
go to a charity so just to be clear
okay
all right so that's going
I mean
um one of the things I did with Defcon
201 is uh the the top so that this this
is an interesting story so right before
I did my bike trip
um we I gave a talk and this talk is
actually on my channel uh it was with
myself and a few others
um it was talking about hacking video
games in the history of it and it was
presented at PAX East uh in 2020 uh it
was not recorded because the Pax
management basically told us they really
like our content the game companies
don't want our content uh not the they
just didn't want it recorded because
they didn't want to talk about us
hacking video games at what is
effectively one of the larger game
promotion events
so we were so I basically just put my
GoPro on a stick and I record the chat
that the talk that way and that's why
it's on my channel but it couldn't be
live streamed at the time
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I didn't actually catch the kernels
dropping support for i-586 that is going
to make some embedded vendors really
unhappy because there are Quark based
chips that are technically not a Pentium
Pro they lie uh it's like the the very
old vehicles are still actually used in
embedded roles
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yep
uh Juan I'm hoping I've seen that right
I will say that a lot of stuff on my
channel causes Engineers like whenever
I've done a Solaris video you get all
the sun certified professionals kind of
screaming like the number of comments I
got about jumpstart was impressive
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yeah
I don't I have I have only like watched
one or two technology uh technology
connection videos like
I I know of techno uh TC
I've like watched one or two that's
about it
yeah
Dexter's text lab I feel like I've
watched that channel but I don't know
offhand and I can't maybe like I don't
like
I will have to think about this
but I almost would like to do like a
react like a promotion or react sort of
thing where I watch other creators the
problem of doing reacts content means
that I get ad Revenue off other creators
and I really get irked by that
but as a demonetized stream I think I'd
be okay with my own personal stance
YouTube might disagree with me on that
but YouTube is actually pretty it's
pretty rare that you get a copyright
strike for Content that's already on
copy on YouTube
uh my revenge I don't watch mvg very
often just because again it's not
something that interests me that much
but Modern Vintage Gamers probably the
it's not the he's not the only one
he's definitely not the only one but
he's like excuse me he's probably the
oldest person who used
the dev kits back in the day who talks
about them and still talks about them
I would love to um
I have thought about doing a dev kit
video I'd probably try and get my hands
on uh a katana I actually did try to get
one
I would like to go if I could get borrow
a Dreamcast Katana for
I'd probably need it for about three
months probably longer
I would probably do a fairly in-depth
video because the katana is interesting
for a lot of reasons
Dreamcast stuff is very easy The
Homebrew stuff in with Dreamcast is very
easy
the guitar um I could just burn a disc
and work on a production Dreamcast
um the Dreamcast architecture is end of
life
um I know Sega used it in arcade
machines but
companies get a little bit Twitchy about
their Dev Hardware Nintendo extremely
Twitchy about their Dev Hardware Sega is
really just not even cared you can find
katanas on eBay like which is unusual
for video game Hardware
so
definitely
um
well you know I just realized we
actually are on disc 33 so we are almost
to the end we're almost to the end of
the initial file copying then the
decompression begins uh Dreamcast so
originally the plan with the Dreamcast
was that it was supposed to have Windows
CE in ROM and for whatever reason it
didn't happen uh I talk about this in
the jornada video
so what happens is that if a game uses
Windows CE it has to load CE off the
boot disk and that takes up about half
the system memory I've heard it I've
heard it I I've heard it quoted as
either four megabytes or eight megabytes
um
the problem is that like the only real
documentation on it was on assembler and
when assembler went down we lost a good
chunk of it and we haven't really gone a
great replacement for the old assembler
game forms which is unfortunate I assume
someone scraped and dumped him I know
they're on internet archive
but
um a similar games was pretty much the
only place you could find oh you could
have found information on a lot of these
Dev kits
so
yeah I don't I know there was a lot of
drama when assembler games went down but
I'm out of the loop on that one like I
had an account on assembler I even had
access to the buy sell trade Farm
um
like the two like if I was going to get
if I was going to do a video on a dev
kit because I I don't want to spend that
much money for something that I know I
would really not use that much it would
either be a PS2 tool or I guess I could
use a test but the tool was the official
development kit
um or katana
I technically speaking have an Xbox 360
Dev kept I have the correct model of
Power Mac that can be converted into the
dev cat uh my my G5 is the right model I
haven't tried doing that yet for a lot
of reasons
but I could potentially turn that into
what needs to be done there is a it is
documented on how to do it I have I just
haven't tried it because I'd have to
basically take the G5 apart and I'd have
to hook the drives up to do dumping
yep
it's definitely going
I mean
modern Game Dev you know modern Dev kits
are not really that different from PCS I
mean realistically speaking the Xbox One
is Windows 10 well it's it's Windows iot
Edition
but there's nothing special about it
like it's a very boring platform to
develop for
foreign
so
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um
Xbox One is definitely the um
how do I put this
the security is interesting but
like at the end of the day you just have
a really locked down copy of Windows I
mean that's really what it gets down to
I I don't even know how else you can
describe it like it is as interesting as
Hardware as I don't know a Toyota Camry
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um I haven't watched much I've been out
of the video I've been out of the game
hacking scene like after other other OS
that entire debata call like I was like
this I don't really want to be
involved with this like it was really
cool when Sony embraced other OS it's
like oh I could completely get behind
this I still had an Xbox 360 at that
time
and then you really have to deal with
Nintendo basically just making Homebrew
life miserable combined with horrible
system architecture
Sony basically being Sony is like
you know this just doesn't do it for me
anymore
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so
um
I if I could get I don't own a PS3 I
actually never have I wouldn't mind
doing something with the cell part of it
um Sony actually did pay I do believe
they they I know they gave Hardware I
don't know they actually paid for it but
I know they gave Hardware so Ubuntu had
good support for the PS3
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I do like that we're reading about the
trademark for MMX on screen on a
processor that predates a magnum X by a
long period of time
yep
yeah and from what I remember looking at
it the Xbox Xbox is basically just
running a containerized version of
Windows iot like there really is nothing
there
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so yeah and obviously the the PS2 could
run Linux if you put the drive in I
I sort of want to do a console Linux
sort of video I just don't know what I
would do with it
um
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like
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I I guess this is uh this like I think I
want to do if I'm going to another large
production for the channel
I would like to document the process of
bringing Ubuntu to a new platform not
because I really think Ubuntu is any
good anymore
but I know the platform well enough that
I can describe it without having to do
excessive research
like porting Rel to a new platform is
going to be haha that I'm in danger but
if I if I did it within Boot 2 most of
what I would do is relevant for Debian
and I could explain a lot easier because
route does not have a very good
separation of its core system and more
like there's no version of the bootstrap
Pharrell uh there is the Rawhide
charts but
I really don't want to go down that
rabbit hole
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Nintendo Wii's are not hard to come by
and obviously they're very easy to do
but there's already a port for power PC
yeah I mean I I if I was to do that one
I'd probably host a Kickstarter
the platform I would probably do I I
would prefer to do something that
doesn't have commercial value and I
gotta find this issue
is just locked up hold that thought
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and my sinuses are considerably better
now
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apparently I'm just allergic to extreme
cold
okay
so what I was saying before is if I was
to do something like that I'd probably
not want to do it on anything that has
um commercial value
so probably Alpha
maybe like what would be fast enough
that could actually do it I could do it
on titanium but I don't have Modern itam
Hardware and the power bill is scary
um here in New Jersey we got a little
bit of rain and a little bit of ice the
storm basically missed us like it's fine
here although I can hear the fire
department blasting by on the main road
so there's that
I have tried to get Alpha hardware for a
while
it's expensive like I I think I'm just
gonna have to suck it up and do an eBay
special for Alpha Hardware
yeah
um
the pro like I I'd have to do an eBay
special I could run system Alpha
which really sucks overall but it can
run the Linux kernel which means I can
run GCC
so
it's pot you know I could probably just
do it in emulation and then crowdfund
getting an alpha system because once I
have the alpha system I could build the
boot media
um I could do an actual like
I wouldn't do Ubuntu 2204 I'd probably
do 2004
wow someone is shouting on loudspeakers
there must have been a large crash on
the street
I wouldn't compile language from scratch
on a c64 but I could hook up a Serial
terminal to a Serial Terminator uh to
the user port on a c64 and use it as a
serial console and do language from
scratch there
oh
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yeah someone is I think I think there
was a major accident nearby because I
hear someone shouting on a loudspeaker
outside and I hear a truck idling
I don't know if that's being picked up
by my mic that's all outside background
noise
um
so
like I I could I I have like I have a
Commodore 128
maybe we'll do with the CPM stream I've
wanted to do for a while so one of the
big things I've wanted to do with CPM is
I really just wanted to recompile it on
real Hardware but I need multiple disk
drives or I have to do a lot of disk
swapping the I think the official
Commodore build system requires three
disk drives and 1571 Burst Mode drives
are hard to come by and the pi 1581 did
not work
when I tried it I could I I could modify
my machine to be Burst Mode compatible
but uh not burst mode to put a fast
loader on it but that only helps to an
extent
foreign
this is all from the streamlabs library
hold on I need to see what's going on
outside
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I can't see anything from I can't see
anything from my window it sounds like
the fire department's trying to get into
one of the buildings in the area
I don't think it's my building
really I um it sounds basically from my
window faces onto an Alleyway and I get
like a sound Corridor that I can hear
the street much clearer even though I
don't face it
actually that may be wrong I think I
hear someone coming up the stairs hold
that thought
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huh
okay I don't I actually don't know
what's going on I hear someone I I
looked I actually went out and looked in
the stairwell
um I hear someone coming up and down the
stairs in Boots I'm guessing someone in
it maybe actually be someone in my
building burnt dinner I don't smell
anything and the alarms are not going
off but there's that
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um I mean I was a firefighter every year
some we would have a full working fire
because someone houses
someone's house burnt down
uh due to either a Christmas tree
catching on fire or dinner going up in
smoke very literally like I know
MythBusters did an episode on this on
could you set a tree on fire with just
Christmas lights
and they couldn't get it to happen but
dried trees cause a lot of fires like
they were what like every year every
December we would have at least one
house in our district would go up
yes no I was an actual New York State
licensed firefighter
um
I was a grunt I was a volunteer grunt
but I was in for long enough that you
get a good appreciation for it
uh yes that was the other big one ever
that the the turkey bomb
um
if you ever going to deep fry a turkey
do not deep fry a frozen turkey because
it will detonate
like it will you can find videos of this
on YouTube
um it will go with enough force and send
boiling oil flying and that's how you
that's how it goes up in flames
foreign
I've just done a lot of things with my
life like
by and large I don't have a there's been
no overwhelming Direction I just go
where the tides of Fate take me but
that's just how it is a lot of people
have the choice to do things in their
life that they just never do like
you know
if you're working in a corporate
environment
you could volunteer to represent at
trade shows surprisingly a lot of people
actually hate that sort of travel like
it's not unusual for people for
companies to have to basically give the
Cod stuff as a disciplinary thing
because a lot of people that have
families don't like spending that much
time away from family
I don't I don't have you know I live by
myself it's as simple as that so because
I just because I could travel without
disrupting my life I was got all the
default travel and because of that I got
to see a lot of things
foreign
I guess the takeaway here is
Don't Be Afraid when Opportunity Knocks
yep
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yeah I mean
you know it took me a long time to
realize that my life
is my life
but
I know how my life works I've been
living a long time and if anyone gets
that quote I really commend you
because you know it's accurate
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you know here's the thing with fear is
a lot of times with fear the you're
being afraid of what may happen not what
will happen
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I have fallen flat on my face more than
once
the part is that you fall flat on your
face as far as you pull yourself off the
ground
get up and you do it again and again and
again
so
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I mean
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um uh Master uh mate she me
sir I'm hoping I'm saying that correctly
you build WordPress sites but you get to
see all sorts of things about business
like you're probably building a lot of
ma and PAW sort of stuff so you know a
lot about how small business operate or
in a lot of cases don't operate that's a
unique experience in and of itself that
a lot of people do not have like I know
a fair bit there because I just did
freelancing in that place like I've done
the I will install WordPress for
buddyfig
which sucks
but don't discount the things that
you've experienced
you know you're right it is a recipe for
anxiety but it's not always anxiety it's
being ready to accept the unknown I mean
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when I biked Up To Boston and like we're
literally just talking a few months ago
um
you know
um I didn't have a set route I didn't
know where I was going bike touring
there's no type of consistency unless
you're gonna say I'm going to bike 50
miles per day in which case good luck uh
nice knowing you
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um
but you know where you're going and as
long as you know where you're going
that counts for a lot
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so
like
I I think for a lot of it for me is I've
come to anticipate the the feeling of
just setting off into the unknown one
more time like
I have no I have no resolution you know
no
I have no illusions of about my life
I live on the edge
it's really that simple
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okay
it's still copying
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I mean
I really got involved in you if I bring
up work because I was the guy in the
room who wasn't doing anything at the
moment and
I really didn't mind trying it
um FTL was basically basically built as
a challenge to make a better Twitch
place Pokemon that was actually part of
it this 38
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uh maybe this is the last disc or else
I've lost one which uh both those
scenarios are pretty bad
or maybe the count no the sorry the
counting starts at zero because there's
the boot desk
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thing is I'm installing Windows 98 but
I'm starting Windows 98 on unsupported
Hardware on a stream on a topic I've
never tested on Christmas Day
fundraising for Trevor projects
there's a lot of edge here
and like I said I don't live on the edge
24 7. I'm not there always
this is something I did over the summer
was literally this biking trip this this
is just a relaxing evening to see
something I've done but I mean
here's the thing
look at look at the donation amount five
thousand uh 5100 ish dollars before I'm
doing stuff like installing Windows 98
that's something all right
now we get to the part where I have to
feed most of these discs back in
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all right disc six
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I mean I I understand I you know the I
I've worked for more than one cat Burt
um like
ah
definitely all right so now that this is
going I forgot how many like I feel like
I'm gonna have to put all the discs back
in because this is probably doing all
the accessory installation
but we're nearly there
like this is probably the like I I
literally just saved this one topic
because I really want to just do a for
fudge stream
and I really wanted to be doing
something with this machine for a while
I still have to work on the Pentium
um that I have the one that I actually
did the last year repair stream on
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so fingers crossed this is all works
really really hoping this all works
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I might try you know maybe we'll try the
disc list Windows 95 next time I get all
the machines out I maybe because I if
we're going to do the problem is that
the only way I can do it with the
hardware I have on hand is with a token
ring Network
I do have all the equipment I need to
build a token ring Network
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um
so maybe it's worth trying like next
time I decide to do uh golf Alice thank
you for the 100 Canadian donation to
Trevor Project wow this the chat you are
absolutely incredible all right disc 15
.
foreign
there we go
ah
yeah it's going it's going to be this
this is the fast part that's that's the
worst part of this that this is the fast
part and we still don't know if it's
actually going to work although you know
we're two hours in and it's going well
um and we could definitely try either
upgrading it to Windows 2000 or to
Windows me like we did the me thing last
time which I thought was funny but
this is kind of funny the haha way
I've never actually worked with
um the graphic stuff we all it was all
serial when I was working on it
I don't
I would try 2K on this one because I
don't have the scuzzy scuzzy driver that
would work
um
okay disc 18. because I know for a fact
that nt4 will not work with the scuzzy
adapter in the system as is so I would
have to install a scuzzy card and then
try it
um like I said I do have a scuzzy card
I I believe it's one of the later adapt
tax the the other problems this machine
only has two slots
both Esa but only just the two
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I've never actually done much with
Delphi I still don't know how many hours
this is going to take to work
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like we're still copying files we
haven't actually begun the install
process and I'm assuming the install
process is going to run
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maybe like if I really hated myself we
could try installing net uh not
installing net hack I could try
compiling that hack
hey frame buffer
wow we're actually up to 146 I think
that's the most I've gone on a single
charity stream before
like the charity streams I get pretty
low turnout
uh
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um I know Europa has done some stuff
with Solaris
but she's really the only one that comes
to mind
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like you know I feel bad I got the model
M out and just sitting here having me
press enter like you don't hear the
foreign
copying
I I really do want to grind out that
Ascension like I I would like to do a
documentary on net hack
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I'm going to the the
I want to do is I want to finish the
ddss world I my goal I was intending to
do it for 2020 I'm close to the end but
I'm not quite there yet
thank you
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so I want to finish that at 23
and
I really want to get the Ascension on
camera like I've got four recorded wins
for net hack uh I believe there's one on
net hack alt.org maybe two on Nao I
don't I think I ascended both the
valkyrie and the samurai on Nao and I
have two wins on uh hard fought I've got
a thick hack extension and
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what was the other one I said did I
remember
it's only three I'd have to look it up I
have write-up post of every Ascension
I've done maybe I've only ascended to
three
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so there's that
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so we are at 89 percent
we are now at 40 minutes
progress it's progress
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well that's the problem with UEFI is
it's just uuids all the way down
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uh it look for Europa
6502 she uh she's in chat I don't know
if she's still here uh she's also active
on Twitch like look for like Europa Sun
Ultra five
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would be a uh one of the channels I can
think of uh off the top of my head
I used to play PC Rogue a lot like I
could entirely Lose Myself playing PC
Rogue on the compact portable but
it's hard it's hard to uh make Rogue
interesting at least net hack there's a
lot of strategy Rogue is just a straight
up it's Rogue is very similar to agbon
in terms of how it plays
uh you're basically just getting as
strong as possible
I think I think now we put all the discs
back in
foreign
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I've already done that street though I
literally did a net hack stream earlier
um like I said this month has been so
blasted terrible I haven't even been
able to do proper prep work for most of
my streams so the last I think it was
the one before this one although I I
could be misremembering I didn't have
enough time to do the stream prep so I
just did that hack
um
really what it boils down to is I just
need a uart adapter for my Commodore 128
but I think I would rather do it on the
K Pro if I was really going to do that
so there's that
uh no I didn't win
um and even if I did I probably would
still we we went through two we went we
um I forgot what the write-up was I I
put it like
um I listed all the causes of daff but I
think the best one on there was
um
Taurus 2x cheat uh cheap flights
because you know you go be a tourist and
then you want end up in the dungeons of
Doom
all right there it is so the the main
reason I kind of want to do the stream
on net hack is it's very similar to like
um
has anyone here watched any of like the
factor uh what's the name of the channel
Dosh
Josh Darlington I think he like does a
series of what does it take to beat
um factorio various factorial most
actually he took on space exploration
which I was impressed by that as they
it's not as bad as pandorian's
pandorians scares me
like Alice you know it's not Alice Bob
Angel Bob
is just hot it's not hard it's just long
like you can figure out how to get
through Angel Bob petrochem if you are
really determined
uh but space exploration
is a slog in places like because you
basically have to rebuild your base plan
it after Planet you have to understand
circuit conditions and I like circuits
but
I've actually never done the mega bass
in factorio
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so all right
um I'm gonna step away from keyboard for
a moment so I'm gonna let this copy so
I'll be back in a minute or two
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foreign
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foreign
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foreign
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I'm back oh that's that's much better
uh I think dinner last night did not
agree with me
let's see that I have to put all the
discs in twice such an annoying process
such an annoying process
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um the this installer was kind of Half
Baked it goes through all the floppy
disks twice it gets all the main files
off and then it copies all the
accessories off
um so it it's just irritating
shouldn't be too bad we're we're nearly
to the point where we just basically are
going to sit here and talk for a while
um what's interesting is that this is a
full windows free one environment I've
tinkered with the installer before to
the point that I've run program manager
in it it's neat
yep
like it really they should be able to do
this as a single copy thing but the
floppy like see now they're skipping a
test because we just took 23
and now we're skipping right to 25 so
that's 24.
4 all right that's 25.
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okay there we go
yeah
um I don't this system's a little bit
too anemic to do a link from scratch it
doesn't even run Linux I would have to
fix it so it would run Linux which I
could do but the most we probably could
do like an early 90s Linux if we really
were going to do a lunch from scratch on
this but this was not the system you
should do it on not without an L2 cache
but because this is a proprietary cache
system
it's the IBM I 385 turbo cache I'm never
going to find one of those
um the install is split over 39 floppy
if it's 38 floppy disk plus the boot
disk which we didn't use I used a
network boot disk just because I have
the network server handy that I prefer
to use
so
all right just 36
like even if this does install I
probably am not going to go for all the
trouble there are some experimental win
95 drivers
I guess we can try them
I probably want to take a disc image of
this though because I don't think I ever
want to sit for this install process
again
like this this will just be painful
but it is trying
it is definitely trying
like
I could see like if I really was
determined I could figure out what the
boot problem is with open BSD because it
tries to start and then Falls over which
probably just means that there's
problems with the memory map because
this is an Esa system I'm not surprised
that that has basically never worked
but because Issa was not popular
um I have never successfully used the
external scuzzy interface on this system
um I have the drivers for it somewhere
but using a scuzzy under MS-DOS is a
little bit iffy if I would ever need to
reinstall it I would reinstall it from
netware
um because I already have that set up I
use it
but for a charity stream it's more
interesting to put myself through more
pain than suffering
foreign
um basically as long as I had all the
cab files somewhere where the installer
can see them it should work
yeah I I I I I know I I you know
Goff Alice
I've lived my life for a long time I
know exactly how it works
it's very I I it's really bad that I'm
making comparisons to rinsewald but here
we are
because that is a lot of how like that's
a lot of ways I've experienced is that I
don't have to look looking for adventure
adventure just kinds and comes and finds
me
but I mean
if I was to really go into right not so
much vintage gaming but like
I gotta tell you I've really been
enjoying watching uh old school
RuneScape content I've really been
following settled and the entire swamp
ledx series which is just downright
astounding 5 000 area hours to do
something that was believed to be
impossible and even in the end was
barely possible
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I could I probably could do I want to do
something of a lumos I just don't know
what I would do like because
it's a little hard to make modern
operating systems be interesting but
illumos has potential
yep
let's see here modern Windows installer
uh windows so the not so the 9x family
is all free one based uh it's
technically called modular windows but
there's that it's actually a live stream
I want to do is uh phone actually dug it
up I don't know probably about a year
ago Foon found the mythical freestanding
modular Windows SDK it's very similar to
the nt41i covered
so
um
uh the
on the nine on the NT family it's always
been an NT based install all
um the NT kernel just loads floppy disks
and then runs in what's called text
setup and then in full Graphics mode
the modern Windows installer just copies
files from the Wim file and that was
created with Vista
so it's it's really gone a lot more
simpler because the older versions of
the installer
you used to have entire like pages of
imp files to populate things like the
registry
two
oh we're almost at the end
the end is near
yep
oh so chat I'm actually curious how many
people think this is going to work
um
like I'm gonna let's let's run a poll
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well some people are optimistic
I I honestly don't know on this one I
don't like I know 95 will run on this
system I know that for a fact
um because there there's a lot I found a
lot of documentation talking about how
95 would work 98 I am not certain about
because 98 did remove a lot of the real
mode stuff
you are all really optimistic like if I
really wanted to go full crazy I guess I
could install Neptune
okay
well you know it's Christmas Day what
what else what else can I bring
that you know I'm gonna grab some
crackers
uh what am I one of my few real guilty
pleasures is water crackers I don't I
don't buy these very often because I
will just eat the whole box
but I really enjoy them uh especially
with smoked sausage which I have some
but I don't want to cut it up on stream
but I I woke up late like I got up at 11
and it's like ah flip I don't even have
time to get breakfast
so that was how my morning started it's
like
The Show Must Go On
cracker
I I don't know why I always liked hard
tax I like survival foods like I love
jerky I like heart attack
um
basically anything that would survive
the end of the world
what that says about me as a human I do
not know
well I mean when I lived in Alaska I had
to keep a survival pack in my car
um in case
um you know I got stuck somewhere
overnight like it had
it had thermal blankets like those metal
thermal blankets which are surprisingly
effective uh it had
um basically this block of just calories
that you're supposed to eat
um
purification tablets and a few other
things
Anchorage for about eight months and
I've I've actually driven up the Hall
Road all the way to doll all the way to
prudo
you could say I kind of beat a dead
horse
so after I close the organ section of my
life I kind of wandered listlessly for a
long period of time and I eventually
just landed in Anchorage I'd been to
Alaska before
Alaska was probably one of the
I spent about three months just road
tripping
across Alaska I went all the way up to
Pluto I went all the way down to Valdez
I went out to seaward I went all the way
out
uh what's its
yeah I went for the Portage tunnel uh
that one's wild I have photos of all of
this
um I spent a week outside of Fairbanks
uh all enjoying polar winter uh and I
had drove it up for the lower 48 on the
Alcan
all right it was astounding
I had like I said I I maybe someday
we'll do
um and looks at his vacation slides
don't worry about Lucy
um I'll I'll tell these stories more
more not times than not I just I've been
in a very reminiscent mood as of late
now uh Napalm thank you for the 50 pound
donation to Trevor Project
this is absolutely incredible I I I was
expecting maybe 20 people for the stream
so this is really just
heartwarming at this point
um Neptune was basically the successor
to Windows Millennium Edition
um
or what was it was Neptune 9x space now
I'm not quite as sure I thought there
was an I think that was Odyssey
um
Michael mjd has a very long video that
goes for the entire road to XP and I
can't think of it off the top of my head
okay
I mean
I figured it out at some point that a
lot of people watch my streams for the
sake that
I just do stuff during them because
you're literally watching me do
I do some very difficult things live I
mean coding a GDI app is not fun that
sucked
foreign
hold on
my throat is remarkably parched
like I don't know it's
my life has always been a strange one
I've never gonna pretend it's going to
be normal so there's that
from what I understand
XP had a pretty rough launch for people
who don't remember it like it wasn't
until Service Pack 2 it was even
remotely usable
uh so Millennium Edition ha well
no I maybe not Service Pack 2 was the
first one that made it not completely
suck
uh and got us back to the level of
functionality we had with 2000.
like a lot of people just stayed on
Windows 98 second edition
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yeah we've got 32 megabytes of ram so
that should be enough to see us through
fingers crossed
okay 33 we're almost there
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I mean what me basically was was a way
to get more money out of oems from what
I can tell because there was no real
reason
what I I like for regular users there
was very little upgrade from 9x from 98
to Millennium Edition
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so now it's telling me to register my
copy of Windows 98
we are in the home stretch
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chaos thank you for the 20 CHF uh
is that Swiss Francs
I don't I think it's Swiss Francs I'm
not CERN
I I find it amazing how many currencies
I have to remember the codes for for
these streams yes yeah Swiss Francs
so okay
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I mean I I had a Vaio that had me on it
and I remember that machine quite well
so
it's probably gonna ask me for the last
two the last few discs
oh I can hear it
hard drive hard drive be working
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once it is 34.
come on
come on we're almost there
the first reboot is ahead
it's thinking about it
come on
I think this took about four hours to do
on the think pad so I can't imagine what
it's going to take on this
35 because this part should be about
like static time
so close
so close I'm I'm feeling so much
anticipation because after the file copy
it's going to do a bunch of setup work
and then we're gonna go for the first
reboot
come on
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uh I you know one of these days I should
definitely try out the PS2 Port of AIX I
wanted to check that out for a while I
don't know what I would do with it
but I do want to check it out just
because the idea of
I AIX on x86 is kind of neat
like maybe maybe that will be one of the
streams in the near future because what
really comes down to is my live streams
are very good as reference material for
doing later projects
um one of the things that really annoys
me about Matt fetty is it really is not
or at least Mastodon I don't know if I
should say fetty in general it's not as
nice to create research threads like
food does
um and I've done those myself
um you can do it obviously but yeah
like there's a couple of ports like
there's actually a copy of Intel Unix
which I don't think would run on this
machine I could try it but I don't think
it would run
um and there's also Dell Unix which are
basically re-brages of xenix from this
time period or well it would be go Unix
not znx
I wouldn't mind taking them out for a
spin I don't know if there's anything
unique or interesting about them I don't
even know they have a c compiler but I
wouldn't mind trying them
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I think this is 36.
foreign
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it's 38 discs
well no you could get a lower of Windows
11. if you cut the operating system to
its absolute bare minimum I believe the
smallest deployment image you can get
with Windows 11 iot
oh that's a stupid stream project like
that is actually a stupid stream project
that
brain stop
do not figure out how you would do a
floppy based install of Windows 11.
I really hate that I'm thinking about
this
I really despise that I'm thinking about
this because you could get it pretty
small
foreign
if you were to do it correctly I could
see I don't know how compressed whim
images are I I believe they can be
compressed
the absolute smallest is 16 megabytes
I think I'm gonna have to think about I
might have to take a stab at it I'm now
now I'm actually thinking about how you
do it because
the absolute smallest nt4 installation
was about
10 megabytes
and as long as I throw out the basic
Windows installation
that gives me some flexibility that I
wouldn't have otherwise
okay setup is now ready to restart your
computer
I'm going to step AFK and then when I
come back we're going to do I'm going to
hit the restart
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foreign
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let's go for it reboot
I'm just gonna let run the bar
oh
come on
is it going to work
all right well the hard drive light is
flashing vigorously I think it's stuck
though
oh no wait wait hey
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it's going
[Laughter]
just getting this far is impressive
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it is actually trying to install Windows
98.
um we still have a very good chance of
blue screening because the hard drive
may not be found I don't know what's
going to happen when it gets to
protected mode
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oh
uh here I'll move the mic over
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uh the watching the hard drive disappear
is a normally a Linux sort of specific
thing but I have that horrible feeling
we may see it here
foreign so
yeah I believe 98k that's what I'm
gambling on is that 98 can do bios
fallback this is going to be
exceptionally slow
uh verbal gun there is no proper driver
at all
period there's a partial sdms driver
that Intel released as a beta for 95.
we got him we got a cursor
I should note that the artifacting you
see on screen is a problem with the
scaler it's not coming out of the system
itself I don't know what is why the
scalar is doing this I had noise
problems with the scaler in the past but
it is exceptionally bad with this system
uh because I'm using a second and uh
x-tron broadcast scalar
no I just have the MacBook Pro so I can
look at the chat I'm streaming off my
desktop
the desktop has two capture cards it has
a black magic card that is handling the
screen display that the scalar is
running and then I have a little USB
stick that does the camera that's
pointed at the system
it's still trying the hard drive light
is on solid
uh it's it's a it's a 13 inch uh MVP Pro
uh M2 I bought this to do the bike trap
I want to be able to run Da Vinci
resolve on it with the full bells and
whistles like so I want to be able to
run blender
um
here
it's still going I don't think it's
crashed
I mean it's trying
numlock does not respond near this caps
lock
nor does moving the mouse
it might be frozen let's let's hear
let's give it another 40 seconds
yep oh I just got a low battery warning
oh no no it's not frozen the cursor
changed
all right
it's going
oh it's doing Hardware detection this
might end badly
yeah the mouse is not working
I don't know why the mouse is not
working
it's possible this mouse doesn't work I
usually use a Serial Mouse as the system
so I don't know why it's not seeing it
um
actually no the keyboard's not working
at all so let's just wait and see if it
comes back
foreign
it's a PS2 keyboard and mouse but I
think the PS2 part is not working but
that may be expected let's see if it can
actually run through this part of the
installation
this might be like when Matt KC
um install managed to get Millennium
Edition installed on the iMac he had no
keyboard and mouse
yep
but let's let's see here I mean it's not
frozen
uh I have used the PS2 port on this
machine before with my ice so there I
don't think it is but
we'll see the keyboard should be working
because the keyboard was working for
setup
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like I hear I hear it doing stuff
oh oh oh it's it's doing something
it's now set Plug and Play Hardware good
luck with that Windows 98 this system
predates Plug and Play
by three years
yep no mouse
no keyboard
still going
foreign
gears on a trans on a on a standard on a
standard transmission and you know the
transmission is failing will it complete
this parking maneuver
or this is Top Gear with the budget
supercars
seven hours no no one eternity later
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all right uh it's here so we are if we
get to the three hour mark which is 10
minutes and it hasn't no no wait wait
[Music]
still going
yeah so if it gets to the three hour
mark and it's still completely stuck
here I'll hit the reset switch
okay
yeah it's definitely like the the hard
drive LED I don't think you can see it
on camera it is flickering
so has anyone got like anything they're
looking forward to in 23
like maybe this install will finish in
in 2023
okay I could even throw in I I could
even try doing what tech tangents did
and put a USB card in this thing
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okay
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we're we're you know we are collectively
watching paint dry this is like watching
the Foon 95 crash stream
the problem is pointing device is that
there's this is the type of system that
I know from experience can deadlock
while doing this
come on
I guess I guess I could I could in set
up a printer
okay
well that's the joys of I should I
should really set up Ms batch files just
because I do this often enough that I
probably save time by doing it
right
this is something else we're literally
all like in baited Brad
oh the mouse cursor changed again
this is this really the level of
functionality we're living at oh
the number the num lock button is
working again I have num lock on my
keyboard
I don't I can't move the mouse but the
keyboard came back
chat the keyboard came back
it does live can I alt tab
yes I can alt tab
oh oh hey look we actually focused
something
do we have Mount still no mouse but the
fact that the keyboard came back
we are still showing signs of life here
okay this is uh 98 original from
floppies
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I couldn't make a second edition floppy
dip version
yep the the whole point yeah the the
greatest thing that I think one of the
greatest comments I got was when I did
the soft Landing Linux video which if
you haven't watched that one I had to
write a kernel patch for that video it's
like why didn't you just run a more
modern distribution like Puppy Linux and
it's like wow you have missed the point
of this video
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okay
from what I remember like the the time
estimated Mark it's really just the
number of steps it has left to do in the
setup process
so
okay
still making happy hard drive sounds
[Music]
I I just realized I don't think I've
ever installed 98 on a system that
didn't have PCI
foreign
yeah I wouldn't be surprised if your
computer stops responding for a long
period of time turn it off and then back
on
so I'm going we'll give it another five
minutes and then we'll evaluate if it's
time to hit the reset switch because if
you reset at this point it does continue
the install process it marks the
hardware is dead and keeps going
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um
Mike is always a bit over modulated I
can lower the volume just a little bit
is that better
okay
we are currently in the quantum
uncertainty state will it actually
finish will it or which is going to keep
scanning like this over and over again
uh it's oh no it's still moving
Keep The Cat In The Box
okay now this is the dangerous one now
detecting non-plug and play Hardware
we have a progress bar
this is this is nerve-wracking
foreign
this is fine
god listen to the hard drive grinding as
it's going
that is here let's listen to the hard
drive
yeah the hard drive is definitely
grinding something
oh yeah I could uh I would have to
adjust all the levels again so
uh it sounds like a machine gun
yeah you know I can mute the music hold
on
okay let me turn up the levels
the that's the hard drive
apparently this is the type of hard
drive we're doing
so here's the thing is that hold on
this isn't the original hard drives that
this system should have this has a
scuzzy based hard drive that originally
came from a deck system of some kind so
the hard drive will probably Outlast the
rest of the computer
um
82 percent
uh this system would predate APM
actually like it's it's a nine the
system was sold from 1990 to 1991 and I
probably have one of the later revisions
because it's got the 92 bios
uh the hard drive is one gigabyte
exactly
okay
Michael Smith thank you for the 50 Euro
donation so now it's setting up more
Hardware
I still don't have a working Mouse
okay
uh we still have to do the entire
finalizing setting step which will take
quite a while just because that's
processing
oh yeah I forgot to bring the music back
but uh
I'll keep it low I'll bring it down to
say
26 dbm
this isn't so much exit boot Services as
running an operating system in boot
services
yeah I don't think this 486 is really
happy with anything more than
16-bit software it's really like a fast
286 more than anything else
that's definitely thinking about it
viscosity controller is an NCR 53 c700
that's a known chipset but they wired
directly into the address lines of the
damn processor
and the technical reference manual I
have for the system is not specific
enough to tell me how they did it
a chokesman 32-bit operating systems
this is the first time I've actually
gone one to install
all right
I would say that water crackers make my
life a little happy
uh it probably would run Doom I've never
tried
um this system when I got it had a pro
audio Spectrum card in it it also
originally had a modem uh from the
previous from the previous owner that
exploded
so the modem didn't make it to me but
[Music]
it's just regular car cars crackers
[Music]
definitely the thing to have on
Christmas Day
so
I mean we could try
see I had the network boot disk and I
have a bunch of software on the network
box
so
[Music]
I actually tried to do
um Minecraft on the sun PCI you can
actually see in the video of me trying
it and it just Falls over
[Music]
so there's that I definitely want to go
make something for Christmas I like I I
don't have a lot in my fridge but I do
have some sausages I do have some smoked
sausages I do have some uh dried fruits
and such so I'll have a little Feast
after this dream
foreign
that Cracker was those crackers really
are tasty
really the problem with doing a sun PCI
stream is how am I going to do the
window capture I either can plug the
capture card right into the sun PCI uh
but I wouldn't be able to use it then
foreign
yeah uh Mine mine's is a 450 megahertz
k62
um it is not an impressive piece of
Hardware it wasn't impressive when it
was new and it has not aged gracefully
well
it wasn't something at least mine mine
is actually pretending mine is actually
a special
um holiday event not one that has just
been uh retconned into a holiday event
um so the way I have it hooked up is I
have VGA to a scalar the scalar uh
converts VGA to HDMI and then that's
connected to a splitter which goes to
the Monitor and to the capture card
um I use the scaler because I have to
deal with all the the Unix boxes like
this is how I dealt with getting the
signal from the next station which is
definitely not
VGA or anything VGA like
um
it's it's here I'll actually spread you
up you can see the scalar right there
it's a Extron Electronics
DSC uh 601 HD
um that's unload to the channel
yeah I I I'm using a bmd card with it I
had so many problems getting that the
Blackmagic recorder card to work it's
very annoying because it's incredibly
picky about the stuff that it will
accept
I mean if you're really going to watch a
holiday movie A Christmas Story is about
it you'll shoot your eye out kid
I mean it's going it's going
also have a couple of digestive crackers
here since my stomach is not happy we um
basically my mom and I did dinner in the
city yesterday
um just for the holidays and it was like
it was nice but I don't know something
about the meal just made my stomach go
blah
I don't usually eat on stream just
because you know mouth noises but
sorry I do need some calories that's
like I'm really low energy
I think the one thing that I appreciate
the most about that
is the lamp
but like that entire scene just reminds
me so much of my childhood
and the the battle between how the
things that would be
um
the the things that the way the the way
the debate on how the house would look
I've got Diet Coke it's just um out of
the shot
yeah they would do the Christmas story
Marathon at my grandmother's like I
remember that movie year after year
my uh I'm on my on like I said so
basically on my mom's side we used to go
to my grandmother's we all used to do it
there and uh the suburbs of New York
City
my dad's side of the family they're all
um they're they're all the fan they're
all the family members and friends that
from who basically managed to get out
from uh Cuba and so it was two very
different Christmas experiences on both
sides
so it was Thanksgiving but Thanksgiving
was less critical that we did both sides
of the family tree
so
yeah uh I don't think I've ever seen
Muppets Christmas I don't really watch
movies all that much
um if I really was going to watch a
movie for Christmas
honestly trains planes and Automobiles
comes to mind just because it has one
scene that is so hilariously sums up the
entire experience but I mean I've lived
that blast movie I um
I was in Oregon I'm gonna actually take
my glasses off for the moment so this
was back when I was living in Oregon and
uh it was probably the blizzard of 2011.
I couldn't fly out but I was able to get
a train ticket
from New York
um from New York Penn Station all the
way to Portland Oregon
so I took it we didn't make it
um
we were on the Cardinals out of pen and
uh it was a late night train I didn't
have a sleeper car for that leg I was
just in the amcan uh the ampleet 2
configuration so you had like 45 degree
light plate at seats it wasn't bad uh
Quake up before it is uh so trade was
pretty empty I think it was a four car
train
um and we're Barrow it and once we left
DC we were really like one car of
occupancy so myself and a bunch of other
folks we basically just sat around
spending New Year's we shared a bottle
of wine and stood out on a platform
somewhere in West Virginia I don't even
know where we were when this happened
and I got to Chicago the following
morning at which case the snow
decided that I was not going to continue
so I ended up flying out of Midway on
Southwest Airlines back to Portland the
only time I've ever flown Southwest
foreign
I still hear hard drive choices
the keyboard is still out no it's still
going it's still going
yeah it's still going false alarm false
alarm
foreign
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I will actually be impressed myself if
this really goes with no hitch
because you know the modern look on
windows 959a at 98 was they were kind of
crap but
when you run them on period correct
Hardware you actually appreciate how
much went into it
so there's that
I never thought about putting a
microphone on the hard drive that's not
a horrible idea
um
yeah I just I'm gonna have to just buy a
new chair
like this this one's basically had it
I guess it would technically be possible
to run Windows 98 from a ram disk I
don't know how you would do it exactly
because you need to be able to handle
the real mode transition but
it's not impossible
so
it's like it it definitely would be
possible I just don't know how much I
would really want to do it I'd probably
have to break out the ddk to do it
okay so it's still it's still going it
hasn't crashed
all right so at this point when we get
to 320 I'll cons we'll figure out if
it's fine time to
do more maybe maybe I'll you know maybe
we'll we could do another reading
here
we could do another reading of from the
book we could read about faxes
wow you can send a secured fax but
like this was something I never actually
did back in the day I knew that it was a
fax service built into windows but I've
never used it successfully
oh
I was about to start reading and then it
Rebooted
I'll leave the Page open
also I just found a uucp mentioned in
this book
okay let's see here
well let's see if this comes back from
the reboot
I've I've uh ice I used uucp as the
basis of an iot product
foreign
uh Grant Tyler there's not that much to
say about you can find it on GitHub it's
called secured by them
and it was a product uh I did a lot of
the design work it was called the
network data recorder
well that is not a good sound
I don't think it really matters because
I really want people to see what the
system is doing so
oh
we're in
do I have Mouse I still have no mouse
either it's not plugged in correctly or
something else
do I have keyboard I do not have
keyboard
okay I'm just going to read this chapter
describes how to use Microsoft fact
software to send and receive faxes and
edible files I didn't know you could
send a file through fax how did this
I feel like this is the start of the
facts Arc we are going to now discover
all sorts of things related to faxing I
actually have a PBX
so for the life of me I could actually
do this
this is like a horrible horrible idea
but I do have a PBX
so all I would really need is a fax
modem
like when was the last time you sent a
like I've actually done that I used to
use uh fax machines as a poor man's
printer uh because you could send a fat
you could plug in your cell phone into
your laptop and then with Verizon you
could actually send a fax
uh and that's how I used to print out my
homework at school I just faxed it to
the school
so yeah we you I could totally I have a
couple of modems around here although I
don't think any of them are actually fax
modems I don't have the later ones
um
I'm gonna learn about faxes let's let's
learn about the magic fact simile
machine that's actually what fact stands
for
Microsoft facts the basics with
Microsoft facts users with modems can
exchange faxes and edible files as well
as easily printing a document or sending
electronic mail message Microsoft fax is
compatible with the traditional group
free fax machines worldwide and yet it
provides Advanced security and binary
file transfer features that make sharing
information by means with facts easier
and more powerful
like this is actually kind of
interesting
to use Microsoft facts you must install
Microsoft Exchange Microsoft fax has
been integrated into Microsoft Exchange
as a Mac as a messaging application
platform messaging application
programming interface or map B service
provider all fax is sent to Microsoft
fax are received in the Microsoft
Exchange message or by using the send
option of the file menu of a mapping
compatible application
in addition Microsoft fax includes a fax
printer driver so users can print to fax
from any Windows based application
Microsoft fax provides the following key
features
facts at your fingertips with Microsoft
facts sending traditional faxes as easy
as printing a document that one I know
I've actually done that one actual
additionally Microsoft facts uses the
highest transmission speed and image
compressed and supported by the
reciprocate fax machine
fax is said to this way cannot be edited
by the reciprocant
faxes by delivery type the map B service
provider architecture allows you to mix
different types of reciprocates in the
same message for example it is possible
to send a message simultaneously to
Microsoft Mail CompuServe internet and
Microsoft fax users as long as profiles
for these destinations have been defined
this is from the era before SMTP was
standard
that is scary
a reciprocates fax address can be
selected from the Microsoft Exchange
personal address book or the facts can
be addressed by using an address just as
you use one such as 555-1212
uh no because CompuServe was not
connected to SMTP in this era near was
MCI mail
like 95 you still had mail systems that
were disconnected from the internet
backbone MCI was probably the largest of
those
I've had to send the facts relatively
recently you have to do it for legal
documents
um binary file transfer Microsoft
support facts supports Microsoft at work
bfp which makes it possible to attach an
edible document to the Microsoft
exchange mail message these edible
documents can be sent to users of
Windows 95 windows for work groups 3.11
or other Microsoft at work enabled
platforms I remember this I actually do
remember this
um
Microsoft had this at work line of
products they it was basically like
designed for Windows 95 for business
equipment and you could basically have a
fax server that would say this is for
Microsoft users at work so it wasn't
well on list listed uh lasted long but
it did exist oh things are happening
what you doing
oh oh it's doing things
still no mouse
that's fine
it's edible not edible
Microsoft facts lets you securely
exchange confidential documents by using
public key encryption or digital
signatures so this was basically like
pgp for fax machines
foreign
Port this is a PS2 Mouse it should be
recognizing this although it's possible
on a 46 it's having problems with that
no the mouse is not moved I'm moving it
right now
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when it does the next reboot I'll shut
down and make sure it's uh plugged in
properly I do have a
I actually don't know if this is s mine
or PG it wouldn't be pgp
would be pgp it's too old for pgp
Network fax service you can install a
fax device on one computer and share it
with other users within a work group
individual computers can have their own
fax installed and install fax device
then we have the FAX viewer I'll skip
that one
best available fax format so basically
it could tell you how the dispatches for
a whole lot of other places supports
classified Class 2 fax modems high speed
faxing all right let's skip ahead of
that
um Microsoft facts the issues
before you configure Microsoft facts on
the network you need to decide the
following things which users need
Microsoft facts for every user that
needs Microsoft facts you also must
install Microsoft Exchange all the facts
is said to that user are exchanged
within the Microsoft Exchange inbox
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which can be here within a work group
will host the network facts if the
computers can be used as a workstation
then a 4a6 computer with at least 12
megabytes of RAM is recommended a
dedicated fact server uh for decade
facts there was at least eight megabytes
high-speed modem is recommended
so you know this machine would be a
decent fact server
so let's skip ahead
um so overview of the facts uh it's here
so there's nothing really that super
interesting past this point so overview
of Microsoft facts uh users can easily
exchange facts and binary files in
Microsoft fax because it is accessible
for the Windows 95 desktop within
applications or through the inbox
32-bit applications uh Microsoft facts
Works smoothly with other applications
created for Windows 95 through support
of Mappy to L phony API or tappy and O
Ole
the send option in file menu of any
Mappy enabled application such as
Microsoft Word or Excel will activate
the Microsoft Exchange send dialog box
this uh document appears as an icon
attached to electronic message format
after Microsoft fax is configured users
can easily exchange rendered faxes and
binary files because Microsoft facts is
rendered with provided with Windows 95
as a basic service it's always available
blah blah blah blah
um so this talks about setting up the
fax service composing faxes
receiving faxes
there's a lot of facts stuff here
and now we get to security about uh
Network faxes so I think it did send to
the printer but I remember there being a
standalone Microsoft facts app that used
to be installed on the computers at like
CompUSA like I remember that very
distinctly but it's not I don't think
that's built into the base like I
remember that in like the three dot the
tail end of the 3.1 error I really
distinctly remember there being a faxed
icon that used to show up
foreign
yeah I mean
that's actually a entire section like I
don't think anyone's actually covered
that before like can anyone think of
anyone who used to talk about the era of
digital faxing
because I remember using this like
having a
like I remember using I I think it was
like the Hade smart fact software for
Windows 3.1 I remember that pretty
clearly
because as a kid I discovered that I
could send faxes with a laptop I think I
actually used to send faxes off the
ThinkPad
um we we are talking about I think it
was I think it was wind facts it's the
software I'm picking up but there was an
actual Microsoft facts
application
but I mean this is talking about setting
up pki for facts it's like I'm I'm being
serious it literally says
um digitally signed faxes
and it talks about doing key exchange
here
I used to print to a LaserJet printer at
school with a pop pilot
um over irda that I remember doing
like
there's an entire world
of printing
that has basically been forgotten like
irda used to be a really popular thing
for just dealing with network printers
like you'd basically take your laptop to
a network Cafe you'd line up the irda
ports and then you'd fire and forget
I'm actually just skimming through the
Section here about digitally signed
faxes
it does look like it is overloaded
because it looks like it it all talks
about just doing stuff in exchange but I
didn't even know there was pki
capability in here
yeah and that's basically all the
technical notes I know that which seems
kind of neat that to actually look at
doing a factor at some point
like is there anyone on YouTube even
covering stuff like Palm OS like I know
lgr covered the Palm 3G but that was
about it
uh I think s mime is better than pgp if
you don't know the senders and you don't
need like
uh NSA grade protection
it's going
actually how long have the drums been
stopped because maybe it crashed
nope the drums are still going
on my stomach does not like me I I was
thinking we might go past
um
we're going to finish the install but I
don't know if we're gonna do more past
that because my stomach really does not
like me today
no I I know this we probably still have
another 45 minutes at a minimum before
we open it to a desktop assuming we make
it to a desktop
foreign so there is that
I'm just currently flipping through this
book and figuring out things
I'm gonna stretch my legs I'm going to
step away from keyboard I'll leave this
the stream up while that's going I won't
put it AFK so I'll be back in a little
bit after I stretch my legs
um
the graphics driver should be built in
it's a pretty standard widget Western
Digital part but it's not impressive
what this can do
foreign
I'll be back in a minute or so like I'll
still be here I just need to step up the
stretches and stretch my legs
thank you
foreign
I'm back I am back
definitely
definitely not a good stomach day but
all right
I do think what I'm going to do is today
is Sunday
I think I want to do a stream either
Monday or Tuesday where we do ddss
um and I don't know like I'm just going
to experiment with content this week and
figure out what I do and don't want to
do going forward
I am actually curious what it's going to
say in device manager when we make it to
the desktop
oh
hey
I don't know maybe I should go get the
serial Mouse out because at the rate
we're going I'm probably going to need
it
uh I am being semi-optimistic because we
are already running in 32-bit protected
mode which means the hard drive is
working
uh which is more than what I would have
given this system at the start of this
process
like if I actually installed the netware
client uh W uh NW client I could even
probably get ethernet working under 95
using the ODI driver
like there is a way to use ODI drivers
under Windows 9x it actually let me look
that up because I have the book right
here
like it should be possible to do this so
let me look at this
because ODI drivers were very well
supported for a long time
but you generally had to have an ODI to
needless adapter
or mid-s
PCM cards
[Music]
it actually doesn't say but I do know it
is possible
yeah so for those who don't know ODI
drivers or Novell netware ones and I do
have no Val netware drivers for the
system but that's about all I have for
it
[Music]
yeah the drums of Doom are difficult on
this one
well I mean that was the big reason that
nine ax lasted as long as it did because
at that point when 95 came out
when 95 came out it basically
was what
15 years of 16-bit Daws drivers and
programs
something that NT never did well and
oftentimes just didn't do
so you really needed the compatibility
of stuff that was in 9x I mean the fact
that Microsoft basically matched the
sunset it in seven years is actually
kind of impressive
the hard drive indicator is lit up but I
don't hear it doing anything
the mouse cursor keeps changing now so I
think it's still going
[Music]
like I remember using nt4 because
I found it at my dad's workplace and I
just installed it on my own computer
like I remember using nt4 workstation on
my own day uh on my own stuff
um
I never really used 2000 that much like
I used like it was there but it was
never a daily driver sort of thing I was
using Max mostly at that point
foreign
guy the biggest thing is that acpi
itself is pretty horrible
so there is that
um
Aaron I wouldn't call this speedrotting
I I would call this the opposite of
speed running this is this is this is
watching paint dry right here
like this is paint this is paint drying
so there's that I do actually think what
I'm going to do is
like I could do kol like I I could
seriously
seriously see myself doing a kol
Ascension speed run
or not not so much Ascension speed run
but maybe playing it on stream again
because Kingdom of loathing was one of
those games that there's a couple of
people that
play it and play it competitively
I could see myself doing it
I'm thinking about that like
the problem is that playing Kingdom of
loving is very similar to playing old
school RuneScape that a lot of that is
just a grind and it's a Time gate game
because you only can get So Many
Adventures per day
um
that by and large
you could only play so far and I have a
it's why I love the game so much because
I would be thinking so hard on how I
would use each and every Adventure if
you like doing Min maxing it is
a dream
yeah like
I mean this is it is it is I mean this
Ford was made by Intel so I'm going to
assume that it is a legit 486 board
although God knows they were cheap in
places
I mean yes I know rupee percent exists
um
I mean if we we I mean I could submit I
could say that I set the bar for links
from scratch speed running
like how would you even Define a Linux
from scratch speedrun
no this is uh the one that I recovered
from the trash is the Pentium I still
have that system I haven't actually
worked on it since the last time it was
on camera this is the Intel professional
workstation that I got from my friend
Sierra
yeah
well all speed running is pain I mean
this this is the thing that a lot of
people don't get I'm I'm congested
against
someday Someday my sinuses will love me
but not that's not today so here's the
thing about speed running is
people watch call Josh videos
um I used to watch dream uh
what you don't see is the hundreds to
thousands of hours it took to get to
that point I mean
Carl Joss has a video on the damn speed
running in Goldeneye and the number of
hours it took to set the I I believe
it's agent uh damn damn secret agent to
get it to where it is right now
so
really what it would boil down to is
um
people watch me do the coding stuff like
a lot of people watch me just because
the fact that I do the coding live and
either YouTube is broken or my
concurrent viewer's graph just
completely just broke entirely
EA YouTube
um
and what it really comes down to is
you don't see the grind like for me to
um get to where I am in dungeons dragons
and space shuttles because that is it's
a solid pack but the end game is kind of
bad I'm in danger territory uh because
you know I did a full mechanism so the
end game I did for dungeons dragons and
spaceships is I use the horologian
Ritual from astral sorcery and I
combined that with temporal bees to tick
accelerate
um Neutron collectors to 25 times real
speed and that is how we got the
neutronium for the end game because
otherwise we were looking at a
month-long grind and instead I just
abused gedustery
um which was a lot of fun
foreign
so okay
yeah it moved it's definitely moving
it's still doing stuff it has not
crashed
I mean what it comes down to is
past a certain point direct once you're
in the skill zone for the world record
it's waiting for the number of events to
even go for it
um
I'd say realistically most people could
start becoming on world record Pace
probably between six you know
for a game like Minecraft I'd say after
about a year of practice you probably
could be pretty regular on getting into
world record pace
um because like a lot of the Super Mario
64 current world records uh or the
contenders for the world records they've
really only started the last few years
they're not people that were doing this
all the way from the very beginning
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uh I'm reading from the Windows 95
resource kit the official book from
Microsoft it's sitting right here next
to me
you're all uh I'll show it up on camera
there was a 98 resource kit I believe
but I don't have the dead tree copy of
that
I mean there's no right-of-way there's
no right or wrong way to experience a
game I
what I've learned in recent years that
what I enjoy most is
not so much
how do I describe this
I enjoy figuring out how to min max a
scenario it's why I enjoyed Kingdom of
loving as much as I did and I actually
get annoyed by world events because they
screw things in the game and I should
probably like just go into the game and
burn Adventures on crimbo content but
you know there's that
[Music]
so
um
yeah
like
[Music]
I probably should look up west of
loathing but
that was the entire appeal with kol is I
kind of wanted to figure out how I was
going to speed run in hardcore mode
hardcore speedrunning and kll
is you have the skills you can't pull
any uh items from Hanks and only skills
that have been hardcore you know HC
perms can be used in the run so it
really is determining how far you can go
with basically nothing
um there are some item of the month
things that you can use but by and large
it's
unless you're going for absolute top
tier speed running it's kind of okay
even in the absolute best cases there
are people that have pulled off the
two-day uh software runs and then you
have the I believe I still believe three
days is the standard meta in AOL
although maybe they've gone down to a
two-day uh run at this point
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foreign
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now the question is what do we do next
we upgrade it to Millennium Edition
well it trickster's Source it depends on
how many people are running the game you
know a lot speed running speed running
content has become much more popular but
the number of people who actually speed
run a game is much lower I mean I did a
very fast I did a six hour run through
of Mass Effect just to knock out the
Renegade achievement
all right last three boots
um I'm gonna pop into setup I just want
to see if there's something here
I don't think I can upgrade it to NT so
let's let's see here
running disc compression on this
that is quite possibly the best worst
idea
that is quite possibly PVC may have just
given us the best first idea I don't
even know if drive space is in this
version
uh the scuzzy controller is the problem
foreign
[Music]
no I I actually like this idea we should
uh we should do drive space and then
upgrade it to Windows made
all right let me just see if there's
something in here about the mouse
[Music]
like at this point I think the mouse
isn't plugged in properly let me shut
down
[Music]
here's the mouse
[Music]
feels like it's plugged in properly all
right well let's turn it on
foreign
Mouse is disabled okay
uh enter setup
did Chad saw something I I didn't
where was that
okay there we go
thank you chat
foreign
the full startup
all right
run that Ram test
this is set this is 98 first edition
I actually the the system tops out at
128 megabytes and uh my camera just went
dead battery
so let me plug the camera back in I
bought my my laptop was about to die I
have a real shortage of usb chargers
like I I think Gremlins come into my
apartment and steal them
hold the thought I got it I got a camera
plugged back in
there we go
okay
oh
I don't even know how I would install
second so um
you can upgrade from first to second
edition but I feel like I want to run
drive space okay so I don't care
uh this mouse the mouse moves the mouse
moves
so I I I'm really liking slash hating
the idea of actually upgrading this
thing to dry space
um we need to copy the windows
Millennium files over if I'm going to
drive space it because I won't be able
to do that from within windows 98.
okay
um
let's just see what the status of the
system is once it's done doing all this
um
uh favorite toe hjs it's a problem with
the scalar I don't know why it's
happening it it's it's fine if I have
the display plugged in but to run the
capture card I need the scaler
um
okay
it's still going
I don't have speakers hooked up or we
would hear the uh startup Trine
the idea the fact that this is actually
working is just a little bit unreal hey
look we're setting up Windows setup
uh
what I can do is I can copy some
software over from the
um from the netware server uh I could
even load some software onto it I don't
even know what I would run
like I'm thinking about what could I
possibly run on this thing
it probably would but this this Graphics
chip is like pathetic I mean it is this
Graphics chip makes a trident card look
nice although it is in 256 color mode
uh the thing is I'm seeing the it's not
no it's on the scaler because I see the
raw HDMI output on this LCD so it really
is it it's the scaler that introduces
the problem I normally correct it with
um
by using uh the d-band plug-in in
resolve but I can't do that for a live
stream
we could have a website as my desktop
background I should I think I'm going to
I want to do is I would like to copy net
hackover and then I kind of want to
drive space this
yeah we're all we're seeing all the
little bits that you normally don't get
to see like it's setting up wordpad what
personal settings does wordpad have
look at that the desktop
that is actually really cool it's also
really cursed
but it's cool wow that is slow
that is slow
oh it's trying to show the channel bar
I I it's blue screening
Red Alert
the advertising the advertising is
slowing down the system we need an ad
blocker
yeah it's go it's trying
actually I think the welcome screen is
disabled in the floppy disk version Oh
no there it is
oh look at it trying to draw in
thank you
wow that is that is slow let's take a
look
what it
um
chat
chat isn't there supposed to be
something here
like you know the processor
hold on one second I just want to check
my phone because it just went off I'm
still here I just want to make sure I
don't like accidentally show messages on
my phone
okay
I'm just gonna put this on silent
because I think at this point that's
fine
so chat where is the rest of my computer
like
this this 486 may not support CPU Ida
like it may actually not support for a
it may the very early 486s did not
support CPU ID
let's see what Hardware it actually
recognizes
so it doesn't see the ethernet adapter
it does see the floppy disk drive
you know what I don't see I don't see a
hard drive
I think CPI I think CPU ID is
non-existent on this processor this is a
very early 486
um system devices
it sees the ISA bus
but I don't see a hard drive controller
here
it does see the pro Spectrum card though
performance tab
yep that's exactly what I thought it
it's using it's using the failsafe uh
Fail-Safe mode
so yes it is it is basically running in
uh
it's running in basically
this is this is weird I've never seen
this before just computer it doesn't
even know that it's running on a 486.
because there's no CPO there's no CPU ID
the processor is too old
uh cost cost there is no scuzzy driver
there is absolutely no scuzzy driver
so how big is it to see the hard drive
as let's let's make sure let's see what
it's actually seeing
[Music]
I mean I'll I'll say this it's about the
speed of Next Step
yeah it it sees fine
[Music]
we could we can compress
there we can compress
uh the audio probably works I just don't
have speakers plugged in
yeah I should
yes uh do not display again so
here's the options
we could try and drive space
um
um let me let's go into control panel I
don't think there's anything I can do
with this but I will try
like
I don't think I can just install the ODI
driver and have it work but maybe I'm
wrong
this year I want to add an adapter
existing ODI driver
[Music]
okay so now it's going to want the desk
[Music]
Yeah we actually got to desktop I'm
going to see if we can get networking
[Music]
see did that that didn't actually add to
the list though like if I want to go to
adapter
existing ODI driver
I think I have to what I'll have to do
is I think I have to add the I think I
got a copy of the driver over
and I have to put it in autoexec.bat
I I think it just locked up
yeah I think it just locked out oh no
there it is it's back
yeah I think I remember how to do this I
think what I have to do is we have to go
[Music]
uh this is slow
[Music]
all right so load the floppy Drive
all right so now I need to see
um
[Music]
I forgot where it is how do I I enable
hidden files folder options
I want to see
all files
okay
now
I want to control a control C
us and then what I can do
I probably should just switch it oh the
mouse just froze
it's probably paging out something
fierce
so let's let these files copy over
this is this is impressive
um
here the it we have enough memory the
problem is that 33 megahertz 486. I'm
I'm legitimately surprised it actually
ran
so let's let this copy over
here because I'm I'm legitimately
curious saying uh a little about
legitimately curious
so let me open command
did you see that error
the first time we did that it said
incorrect dos version
type start net.bat
so
I'm pretty sure all I have to do
is do something like
that
I don't know if this will get caught let
me just try running start net directly
uh
uh extended memory not continuous so it
has to start up from a much lower it has
to start up with system boot okay that's
fine
all right so let's restart
yep well this should work I should be
able to use 16-bit ODI drivers of this
system
okay
oh I don't want to boot off this disc
though
so we should see the ODI Stacks show up
at some point
oh
why did it do that
that's a little concerning
uh let me let me f8 this
uh actually let me drop the command line
prompt
[Music]
but I did find the network stack
effective okay so it's trying to load
the netware redirector
and then it panicked
only use the ODI driver okay
all right no we already managed to boot
it so I can fix this so I apparently
just need to use the ODI
oh I didn't hit f8 in time oh yes I did
command prompt only
so that should give me everything up to
Odi
okay
that's thinking about it
is thinking about it
yeah it did load it loaded the ipx stack
so it definitely started up
oh I hear I hear it's still going
oh
invalid vdx from Network redirector
uh okay so let me hit
just load ODI but ODI is in ipxodi isn't
it
this is new like like we're now Plumbing
the depths of what like I've never seen
a document on how you use ODI drivers
and being able to use ODI drivers is
actually really nice for a lot of
reasons
so like just do that
because I know I need the so LSL is the
link service layer you need to have that
to load this one
so all right let's see
all right
foreign
we might have to go into safe mode and
remove the network stack
I don't know what LP comes from it's
just the model the model number of the
system is lp486e
all right
I'm really hoping I don't need to
install the specific Network client
because that would be really irritating
I think it's starting up I mean the
drive is grinding
hey we made it into windows
okay that is progress that is actual
progress
new hardware found existing ODI driver
there's something you don't see every
day
yep that's fine it's now probably going
to ask me to insert floppy desks
[Music]
okay
all right so now what is it going to
want
now the question now I want upgrade to
Millennium Edition because there's no
way that you can use an ODI driver of
NTU can't
but I am curious with how hobbled
Millennium Edition is if it would work
it would probably break
I I already selected a driver it's just
doing stuff
yeah that's fine
install
error code one F6
okay fine I'll reboot
yeah it is possible to it is actually
possible to do you can do why did I get
a keyboard failure code right there
I I feel like I feel like this is my
trans
haha I'm in danger
it is possible that this ODI driver is
just so old that I mean this is a 92 ODI
driver
I'm using a later Daws ODI stack but I
mean this is pretty
ancient
IO address conflict that is entirely
possible there is possible something
uh because you know this is being an Esa
based system I've had problems with that
in the past
so something might be using interrupt
10. it's it's built into the board it's
there's no slot
let's let's just see let's see what goes
this happens
hard drive you making noise I mean for
all I know it's going to be there after
the system reboots
okay
here
uh not for this the the ethernet driver
is not the ethernet device is not off
the esa boss it's off the ISA boss
let's go and let it
search and then I'm not gonna let it
reboot this time
[Music]
so there this is this is it is a really
impressively bad system it is an Intel
chipset but it's an Intel chips that
they never used on anything else there
is an incomplete Linux driver for it
[Music]
well it stands for extended industry
standard architecture or ESA versus ISA
which would be the uh just the regular
16-bit one
I have a bunch of uh token ring cars
that we work in this system
so let me let's let's see our networking
all right so what is so client for
netware is here
needless one yeah that's fine so add
driver add adapter
existing
makes a bunch of floppy disk noises
I wonder if it really just wants the
driver install disk
[Music]
like hold on hold on I have the original
driver files I have the original driver
files for this let me look at those
all right let me pull up my driver's
folder
actually I have a vdx file for this
phone system let me format a floppy draw
a floppy disk and I will cop let me see
if I can copy them over
uh what do I have right here
okay I have a I have a disc here I can
format let's see if it's any good
[Music]
um the files are not in a way I can
easily copy over it's easier if I use a
floppy disk to transfer them over
okay
I just want to do a full format
zero well I'm well that's formatting I'm
just going to look at my driver folder
yeah so I have the MS-DOS uh scuzzy
drivers I also have like the landman
drivers
um I did get it I it's not that I got a
oh it does not like this drive
maybe this disc is dead I I have a lot
of dead discs around here
while this is trying to format let me
guess
I literally had it out this morning oh
thank you
I think this floppy Drive is dead or
this floppy disk is dead let me go grab
a different one
so while that figures itself out I'm
gonna go grab a known good Flopper
foot I have blockage just bear with me
so I bought a pretty much a 50 pack of
floppy disks off eBay
a few weeks ago
for future Shenanigans so this is not a
bad way to start using them
thank you
fresh floppy disc let's try it
jacked
I also have this I have the MS-DOS based
scuzzy drivers I might copy them over to
this because at least with Windows 98
installed this is actually like a useful
system let me see if there's anything on
this desk
no there's not
cool let me see if I can copy this these
drivers over
this driver is good
[Music]
so what what I'll do is while that's
copying let's
so the archive that these drivers were
in was considered
um
which says this is an experimental
driver for Windows 95 that was not
written by Intel so I have no idea if
this is going to work
add adapter
have desk
uh uh yep there it is on board
I already moved it with autoexec.bat so
foreign
yeah but maybe maybe I should reboot
[Music]
it is possible LP stands for low profile
that is actually possible
I it the vendor and device ID does not
matter because this is not connected to
a bus it's not on the ISA or Isa bus the
system predates those Concepts
ah I will go into the BIOS okay stuck
heat failure there's very few options
relating to this
like if I go into the BIOS you can see I
have onboard IDE disabled onboard land
enabled and that's it these are the only
two options
so
okay
um I'm using a scalar uh a VGA as a
broadcast scaler to convert VGA to HDMI
and then I'm plugging that in to
um
I'm plugging that into a Blackmagic
design
um mini recorder 4K
all right let's now that we've got the
old driver out let's see if we can
actually
let's see if we can install
hey
fingers crossed
because
yeah it would be faster on IDE but again
I'd have disc geometry issues 504
megabytes I should just install an IDE
drive but I kind of like leaving this in
its cursed configuration because you
know what's the point of having a cursed
486 if you're going to just X
um you know
um hold an exorcism and drive out the
Poltergeist
I do have I do have a couple spare
network cards I could put in here I just
don't want to
I mean you know that like you know the I
yes I could put an IDE Drive in here but
that would be like you know action retro
keeping that Tam entirely stock Factory
all right so Networks
foreign
so let's get rid all right so let's try
so let's get rid of the dial-up driver
let's get the rid of the other dial-up
driver
let's get rid of the VPN driver
let's add an adapter
okay there we go so lp486e that's
correct driver for the system
foreign
still doing things I it's it's I hear
files copying
it's the Intel professional workstation
4a6 I have an entire video series on
this system
it does all that and then it just
doesn't do anything unless it show oh it
doesn't show up here now
I mean I do have in I don't think this
is the same driver and
this has gone very slow
oh there it is cool so now we want to
add protocol
uh we want OD we want ipx
and I want the novel Network client
um
actually I don't know if that's going to
work I here we go client for netware
Networks
that's what I want
okay
uh no that's not what I want actually so
client
why am I like why is this being so
wonky like here we go ipx
like I think it's failing to install
something but I don't get the error that
it's failing to install something
but I mean that is progress
[Music]
uh no 250 is on use in my network let me
give it
[Music]
and I want you you need a Gateway your
gateway is that
[Music]
and there's your DNS servers
uh host name
so that handles that
thank you for the 50 donation
so let's see here dude I don't have DHCP
on my network uh NJ Road fan I disabled
it I do too much curse networking it was
getting in the way so now everything is
stack IP based
I'm actually going to let save settings
here
and then I'll add more okay so there's
the Novell stuff it just added
probably gonna want to install more
drivers but one step at a time
yeah rebooting might be the right idea
here I don't know what it's doing it's
probably it should be wanting to copy
files
okay
foreign
like I I do have DHCP set up for when I
need to pick cboot something but
I think
yeah I do think this may be reboot Time
oh there it goes copying files okay
um dungeon Seeker the universal mini
Port driver uh requires that the actual
physical scuzzy card is supported though
foreign
disc four
hopefully it won't want too many of the
98 boot desks
I do have a separate gas Network which
is a little less uh baroque
uh but it's completely isolated from the
main Network
I had this horrible feeling that this
system is going to basically run 98 from
this point forward because this is
probably the most cursed thing I can do
with this machine unless I upgrade it to
Millennium Edition which I kind of want
to do
now the question is do we upgrade to
Millennium edition first and then drive
space it or drive space it and then
upgrade to May
foreign
run on this system uh I don't know if
it'll run well but it should be
officially supported
um NJ rode fan I I like I like my
suffering in all forms
I would think doing drive space and then
upgrading to Millennium Edition with a
shall we say slightly bespoke Network
stack
will be the most interesting thing I
could do here
well um Michael Smith I have to get
online first
I mean this is the type of system that a
disk compressor a disk compressor
accelerator would be better
uh so it started with double space and
then Microsoft got sued and then you
started using drive space
yeah I I I'm really seeing how much spit
and duct tape it takes to run Windows
98.
we could even convert to FAT32
uh it should be able to get online if
this driver actually works as advertised
I don't know if this driver actually
works I've never tried it all right so
we need just five
foreign
so I think I think the correct series of
events here is we have to convert it to
FAT32 we have to drive space it and then
we have to upgrade it
uh we'll get the upgrade with Millennium
Edition because this will not run 2000
or it won't run 2000 without excessive
tinkering
[Music]
it's thinking about it
the problem with dual booting with os2
is os2 if you want to do any sort of
development or well you know anything
interesting with it I really need to be
on hpfs
um NJ Road fan I only can have one
scuzzy Bay or one uh IDE Drive there's
not enough room in the case for two
um I do have an external scuzzy Port
that I could use
I mean I could try and load the Daws
based scuzzy drivers it might actually
be faster
you know actually that's probably not a
horrible idea to do that
like let me grab those
[Music]
foreign
I have a IDE to CF adapter but I really
like I said I do
enjoy this
so I have the scuzzy drivers right here
so a little
[Music]
foreign
still going
come on
it's actually impressive how slow this
is
[Music]
you know I I'm not you know you're right
I should not use that scuzzy driver if I
really am going to upgrade to Millennium
Edition
[Music]
once we have networking working we'll
decide the next part because I have to
load me is too big to load in otherwise
all right there it goes
a network is still installing James
um it's a slow system
I have absolutely no idea if me can work
with bios disk access failback I have to
assume it can
so in theory as long as I drive space
this I should there's no reason why I
shouldn't be able to do this
uh the processors XP needs a Pentium I
know that 2000 is the upper limit for
486.
[Music]
foreign
like I could try this scuzzy drive
there's no reason it's still an MS-DOS
based scuzzy device but it might suck
less
yeah but how does how does config.sys
interact with Windows media that I do
not know I actually do not know that one
like can chat look that up while I deal
with this
[Music]
all right let's try rebooting
apparently rebooting was not the right
move
[Music]
okay
window uh Windows fundamentals for
legacy PCS was just a rebranded Windows
XP Millennium Edition
all right still doing things
I don't know what I could do to make it
faster
[Music]
we have resource manager on this version
I don't remember we have drive converter
drive space
compress an agent accessibility and
dial-up networking we don't have games I
forgot the floppy disk version is really
Limited in that regard
what is system information say
interesting that this actually says it
was a floppy based install I don't think
I've ever seen that before clean install
using full floppy
um
[Music]
it really doesn't know what it's running
on though
[Music]
yeah I I probably am going to have to
copy Solitaire from somewhere we don't
even have that
[Music]
I don't we're not getting a prompt to
reboot
we are apparently are we online oh there
it is there it is I just had to open and
close the window
foreign
the goal of the stream was to install
Windows 98 from floppies
um on a on a 33 megahertz 486 we're now
going for bonus points
all right let's see if we have a working
Network
[Music]
that's fine
uh the redirector and DFS I'm not
actually sure what those are
[Music]
I'm trying to connect it to my netware
server so it can download Millennium
Edition
yeah I know I mean this is completely
usable you could probably even run
office
uh so Microsoft network is completely
broken
surprising absolutely no one
let's just see how broken it actually is
it may just be missing some components
it may not be missing the whole thing
uh I don't think you can run blender on
something this slow yeah so look the uh
we lost our Network option so let's this
is why I didn't want to remove the old
ones but Chad insisted
here it's a win ip config on this one or
is it ipconfig
like do we haven't you know let's just
open Internet Explorer and see if we can
talk to anything
[Music]
hello Dr Mick
foreign
it's usually probably on screen for like
three seconds oh yeah it's it's it's I
uh
it is ipconfig in this version but again
uh we are already set up to the network
all right so are we actually online
foreign
so it's probably not online in fact the
entire Network's thing is gone so I'm
going to assume we're not online
okay
and there's absolutely nothing here
at all
right so I want client for netware
no I know the two overlap I do know the
two overlap I'll switch the I'll switch
the views around
like yeah this is like completely broken
foreign
let me do this very slowly let me close
this out
yeah that's what I'm doing I'm waiting
for I'm waiting for this to close
I just want to see is it is it even see
the network device in here
because that's kind of important
although I may have asked it to do
okay yeah it is really really confused
all right so let's remove
this
I'm just going to close this out
entirely
oh I may have tried to do too much at
once
no it's still going it hasn't crashed
yet
patience is a virtue this is this is
hard
yeah that's an accurate thing this is
Sundial Edition
ignore
[Music]
it's going but it's going well this is
this is definitely going well it did
remove the driver
okay so now we got those gone
now we go to network
[Music]
all right so let's add an adapter
[Music]
uh where did I put that desk
[Music]
uh actually seriously where did I put
that just the one that had the drivers
on it
oh there it is
all right now this drop this goes in
have desks
that's exciting
yeah it doesn't even see it anymore yeah
I think it's reboot Time I Think I want
I don't think I can set this up in safe
mode but I could try
well we're going we're making a good old
try of this
not convinced it's gonna work but we can
try
uh safe mode with networking I don't
think it's gonna make that difference
let me let me
let's let's just jump into safe mode
uh it's not the 090 is not an error it's
just a boot clock
[Music]
thank you
okay
testing High memory
trying to get networking I I I feel like
I I it's it's it's such a battle that
it's going to be to get the networking
working on this
foreign
into safe mode
[Music]
I always liked how they it has it goes
through the extra effort to put the
little Shadow on it
I do think it probably is a counterpart
all right so let's let's look and see
what this system thinks it sees
um so Amy I have gotten Debbie to start
the scuzzy controller is not supported
by Linux
I'd rather leave the live shot up just
to show that it actually
um
actually works this we're really finding
all the race conditions because we are
faster than the computer
system
do we have any
okay
oh yep okay chat was completely correct
on this account
okay
well I know I have a disk drive because
Windows doesn't even know what
processors are running on there's no CPU
ID here this is such an old chip
foreign
so let's try we'll try adding new
hardware wizard once we're back up in
full mode
okay that's fine
that'll be fixed once we got the
networking sorted
I love the fact that we're trying to
install a prototype driver on Windows
like I said trying to do anything with
computers just pain and suffering
mostly suffering at this point
you know it's better than being alone
and miserable on Christmas Day
yeah that's fine that's that's expected
I can deal those files will get
reinstalled once we have the network
stack fixed
uh it's not my stomach isn't great but
it's not horrible I I think a lot of it
I might go grab the other chair once we
start making some Headway on this
the problem so I I have investigated
that driver with the Linux kernel the
the the chipset is directly tied to the
address line I know where the registers
are they actually are listed the enemy
addresses are listed in the manual
uh for this system
but I don't know where the memory buffer
is
uh I don't really want to search for
Plug and Play devices but fine
all right I want to select Hardware from
a list
uh God that is cursing USB on a 486
all right network adapters
app desk
okay
no this is this is a entirely
proprietary Network device that is I
believe wired into the CPU
it this system is so bizarre it defies
convention
wait I'm not going to touch it
hard drive light is blinking
uh
uh I don't think it's doing anything
oh maybe it is
okay finish installing Hardware
uh Napalm this system predates the
existence of PCI
[Music]
God patience is a virtue on this one
yeah I think I found a race condition in
Windows 98.
well you know normally you don't see
those type of conditions on it because
the system's too fast for it to happen
um the stripe the the stripey is coming
from the scalar I know for a fact that's
the problem of my scaler
Millennium Edition is going to be
exciting
oh you know what I forgot to record this
stream damn it I forgot to hit the start
record button YouTube will grab it but
that's a little depressing I it means I
have to make sure we don't go past 12
hours though or we'll lose the VOD
entirely
I really I'm really annoyed I forgot to
hit the start recording button oh well
there's not all I can do about that like
I said YouTube will grab it
foreign
well it won't be the first or the last
time
that one of my streams will go right to
that 12 hour mark
um this is a 33 megahertz 486 DX with no
L2 cache
this is like an lgr product like I would
expect lgr to do this with the wood
grain 486.
we're not sure what LP is but
yes
33 megahertz no protected mode drivers
and it's
um and no L2 cache
yeah I could drop an SSD but I'm not Dr
Ango one why why should I still I I I
don't I shouldn't steal another
Creator's deck
and for the first night if you know for
the first day of Christmas
um all I want is a 486 of a floppy disk
drive
it's copying files from the floppy Drive
well frame buffer we've matched a boot
we've done dos boot
uh
that's the part of my life I don't want
to relive do not do not do not think of
the u-boot
uh this would have been unbearably slow
in the 90s this system is below the
minimum requirements
so uh Anonymous thank you for the five
Swedish friends Swedish Frank uh
donation
LP is probably low profile the data this
machine is the bio says it's 92 it was
probably made in 1990 or 1991.
I have a free part video series about
this machine this is the first time I've
actually managed to do something
useful and I'm putting the words useful
in quotes with it
uh my Sandy's fine wait my no sorry
that's that's wrong uh what's the
opposite of fine entirely on fire there
we go
um these these I these discs I made a
few months ago
um they are all in the dfm format I have
a bunch of CD copies of 98 but I didn't
have the floppy I've been trying to get
it off eBay
ah
like I have Windows 98 licenses I have
several of them I even have msdn ones I
just I can't find the floppy desks
yes I I have basically installed Windows
on a on the same thing as a graphing
calculator
I'm going to ask on this system not
gonna lie
but uh
no we're not doing an action retro here
we're not going to try and run
Wolfenstein on everything
I don't know why he does Wolfenstein if
you're going to do a Mac game do
marathon
okay well there's netstat there's ping
route
uh we can try Doom once I have
networking working because I can just
load
um off the netware server
I'm going to stretch my legs while this
copies I'll be right back
foreign
all right ah
no I think the biggest thing I need in
my life is a new desk chair I think I
don't know why this one feels like it's
like completely broken probably because
it is
yep
uh I had the driver details up earlier
but we can go through it again
um
no I didn't use the Microsoft tools I
used ND format to create uh 1.7 megabyte
disks and then I used uh raw right to
write the actual desks
it took um it took several times
to do it uh we already have windows
installed we're trying to get the
networking installed
okay I don't read Hacker News because
nine times out of ten the com the
comment section hack of news is
90 bad takes more so than Reddit
okay so this like there's
dfs.vdx that's all the stuff
so you know here's the thing is I know
that uh the network stack on Windows 95
breaks on two fast systems will it work
on something this slow
all right
yeah I mean I know I know we could send
the packets over avian pitching I'm
actually looking at starting to have a
larger Reddit presence for channel
content like when Twitter went down in
flames because let's be honest Twitter I
I went back on Twitter after this week
and it's like wow this is a disaster
um
it's just I gotta tell you I really find
I don't like I'm not a big fan of fetty
it gets very Echo chambery because you
only get the people you follow and the
people you follow who they boost the
algorithm was good for keeping some
variety in my streams as like all I'm
just seeing is the same few names I'm
getting it's not enjoyable
like
I mean I'm I'm there but I don't I'm not
enjoying using it I'm only using it
because I need a Twitter replacement
okay there's the reboot prompt
that was progress
it's funny in this month I've connected
to my netware server with both Windows
98 and uh or I will with Windows 98
first edition and with uh next step I
need to build a proper like an actual
proper netware box that I'll probably
put in a VM on my Nas because right now
what I'm doing is kind of garbage if I
could get like one of the old Linux
distros that had
um netware and old NFS it would be
amazing yeah I was surprised at how well
that worked that just that was click
click go that was like
I was astounded like
I mean I've unlocked my Twitter account
because I have a lot of posts on there
that are high value to just be accessed
I might try unixware to be honest
because unixware was an official Nova I
had an official Novell bits in it
um okay so that's fine we need to switch
it to Novell login
okay
well the network came back let's just
see if it can talk to anything like
properties
so that time it booted up with no errors
um
that ain't that ain't a lot all right so
if I want
here's what we do let me go to add now
we need to add client type
because I need I want the Microsoft
netware
login client
and then I'm taking my hand off the
mouse and we'll see what happens
okay
like is anything going to happen
because I assume this dialog box will
disappear and something will happen
but I don't actually know if that's
what's going to happen
my hand is off the mouse
no disc is not whirling away
light's not going
thank you
yeah there's no activity
oh but I can't drag the dialog box which
I think the prop means the processor is
doing something
hey okay there we go
now we need to switch our logon type to
not uh to network knit uh to Novell
just make sure the rest of this is okay
oh
I clicked too hard
yes we don't have a lot of CPU Cycles to
spare here so Network clients ipx TCP
and onboard
I don't think we need anything else I
think I can just install that
oh I do I did need to configure the IP
address well I guess I didn't need IP
address
I want to keep the MS client still
installed
um because last time we removed it
broke
I mean we're going the right way it's
just not going particularly well
well I don't need IP addresses for
netware because it's ipx
foreign
floppy disks
like this this is reminding me of the
os2 experience but
let's see how many files it's going to
want
I forgot to configure well I had it
configured earlier so we'll see what it
happens
nope it wants floppy disks again
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is it really going to copy all these
files again
I I don't know I don't know what story
time I'm running out of stories this
this is
this is like
the level of Madness that we're dealing
with we're dealing with
um I mean here's here's this story where
I had this idea about a stream that I
want to do for Christmas where I was
going to raise money for charity uh
installing Windows 98 on a machine that
predates it by eight years I mean this
is about as
low as you can get I like only a 386
would be slower but this is much more
cursed
okay I can't talk I can talk about
um
the biggest thing that I want is I want
an adapter between my modern Nas and the
older systems so something that handles
old NFS well NFS V2 V3 uh I want support
for ipx
um old net BIOS with landman would also
be nice
um although that one's less necessary my
gut feeling is either run netware itself
in a VM like netware four or five one of
the later ones uh or try and use
unixware
as a server
um
country the thing is that there is no
CD-ROM drive
okay
yeah so in the early days of the
internet
uh system mail has been on every early
system I've seen like as far as I can
tell system mail was Universal in the
very early days
um but email was a very different thing
because the very earliest email was from
arpanet and it would basically become
user at name but then you also had The
UU Nat which used Bank path address and
you had uh birknat which was uh also
different birknet I would like to try
like I would get
BSD out and we'd actually go try that
okay
well I'm uh Grant I'm making a
difference between a local system mail
and system to system mail because yeah
mainframes had every multi-user system
that could do time sharing had a
messaging facility I can find even uh
MIT ctcss had one and that was that is
generally considered the first one
I would love to see I I need to figure
out how I would I would tackle uh
um VMS
foreign
do want to do stuff with mainframes
um I do want to do a Hercules mvf stream
um you uh
unicross recently uh the CDs for
unicross recently showed up so I could
try the cray Unix uh I've heard I've
tried it in emulation not an emulation
there was an uh a system on the internet
you could access it on it was remarkably
broken
I wouldn't mind trying it on the real
thing
so mvs is
um
one of the
uh one of the operating systems that IBM
had for system 390 it went on to become
Z OS it's like the difference between
nt4 and windows 11.
looked they're not that different like
Dave cutter basically just
re-implemented what he knew I don't
think there's any source code that was
shared between the two but Dave cutter
basically just re-implemented
VMS
yeah the pizza Fox I I'm surprised that
this form factor like never came back
all right so it's copying all the
netware messages
so that's that's a good sign that's
grabbing all that
okay
I wouldn't mind trying haiku
foreign
still going
I don't think Haiku would run well on
this system and if I'm going to do Haiku
because I I don't want to say it's a
hobbyist project because it's gotten
pretty Advanced at this point but
because it's not a commercially
supported
um commercially
supported one I don't want to put it
through a torture task there there's
showing off something and then there's
being a dick about showing something off
and I don't want to be a dick
let's just say my hair has gotten really
long and I really enjoy that I'm I am
debating dying it like I've always
wanted to do it at least once but I
haven't actually ever done it so I might
buy some water-based guys and just see
how I feel about it
um we're trying to get the networking
working we have the system installed
well I mean if you really get right down
to it it a lot of stuff is basically
Mainframe all the way down
yeah the fundraiser we got over a
thousand dollars on this stream Alone
um I am running netware 3.12 in a VM and
it's ethernet
so
a lot of why the desktop computer died
is because by and large not everyone
used desktop computers the I a
smartphones really was the point where
it died
uh as400 is still sold still supported I
I use some um
I I know someone who's recently got an
as400 I really would love to get an
as400 I should probably just set a
Craigslist alert for DC because
governments tend to you know the US
government used a lot of as400 they'll
prob ever it wouldn't surprise me if
they show up on Craigslist from time to
time
yep
I mean I'm not I'm not the guy that has
a basement to put a system free 90 in
that was an amazing story
hey v-net bios
hopefully we'll have networking
I mean I've successfully I mean Paul
you'll appreciate this I have Ripple
booting working and that is not trivial
to pull off
so at some point it should ask me to
reboot
at some point it will ask me to reboot
foreign
let me just try okay
I guess we just have to wait until it's
ready to tell me ask me to reboot
yeah you do need the boot ROMs I have a
token ring one that I know works but
there is a way to get around it like I
have a ripple boot disk that can start
this system off on that off Network I
had that's how I normally run it
actually
all right I'm not getting that reboot
prompt
but it didn't stop me that time so let's
just reboot
all right
foreign
okay so far so good
I could build I have enough Hardware to
build a token ring Network I I literally
do have the hardware the problem is I
don't have enough space to keep it set
up permanently so unless I've got I'm
going to go all in on a project I really
just don't want to pull it all out
um ipixie doesn't support Ripple though
I pick C pixie was the replacement for
ripple um pixie is pre-execution boot
environment Ripple is initial program
load or
um remote or sorry remote program load
or remote initial program load which
there are two different boot
technologies that both use RPL as their
terminology because IBM
uh frame buffer it would be 16. uh I
don't have 100 megabit uh token ring
okay there it is
so here's the million dollar question if
I click Network neighborhood
am I going to see Odyssey too
okay
Network neighborhood
and it's searching
I see two
cool
that is awesome
uh sis probably doesn't have it I don't
remember where I put the Millennium uh
discs I think I have to adjust the I
think I go to data
uh did I not put me on here I don't
remember how we did this last time
here if I go to user
because I have a lot of things on This
Server I don't remember what I don't
remember exactly what I have on here oh
look I have the a bunch of
various things I've backed up over the
ages stuff for my ThinkPad debugging
stuff Linux stuff like I don't use this
server super often
so yes now we can do file networking
over file transfer over the networking
um
I feel like
I have more things on this box than I
should uh let me go under data like
there should be more folders here if I
go under OS
Windows 98 floppy disk I guess I have to
copy Millennium Edition over
I guess we're doing it
hold on because everyone keeps asking me
about let me grab Doom off this yeah
here it is uh I have doom and Duke 3D
I've never actually used the 98 built-in
netware client that is really cool to
see
yeah so chat here's the here's the list
of options I'm going to I'm going to put
these
I'm going to start a poll
what to do next
are we going to Fat are we going to
convert to Fat fairy two
drive space
install me
um I logged in
I logged in because
um
I think it froze
all right
um the Nico this processor doesn't
support CPU ID it's too old
I mean it's progressing it's just
progressing immensely slowly but it is
progressing
this is a little glacier
I don't think this is a high quality
network drive or I'm a little afraid how
long Millennium Edition might take to
install
uh it's 10 megabit
yeah still going
still going
it might only be single duplex
I mean Duke's not that big
yes no I'm not sure we're actually able
to run this at 10 megabit with this
processor this is like zip disk
territory
like
this isn't that big
I think upgrade to Millennium Edition is
an incredibly bad idea
I mean I could try and find it
I can't easily copy files onto this VM
though huh I'm 34.
foreign
I'm just curious if yeah this is this is
a little bit painful I'm surprised it's
that slow though
I actually do remember orb drives like I
just they it's just on the base the very
edge of my memory but I do remember them
paper I hate that I absolutely hate that
I'm not going to be I don't have enough
processing power to run Doom
okay
I just want to see if we can even run
Doom
okay well they're there
let's try Doom shareware
because if if Doom won't run then Duke
has no chance
foreign
I'm afraid how slow this is going to be
it's not great
like there is a notable key lag
foreign
yeah it plays Doom it plays do
uh
all right let's see if he'll play Duke I
I don't think it has enough horsepower
to do so but we'll try
I'm actually surprised at that I mean
foreign
so yeah it does actually
at some point it'll actually finish
um
ill ill close the Dos box
or I'll just close it for it
let's see what happens when I try Duke
probably a really bad idea
Duke Duke really wants to be on the
Pentium even on a like it'll run on 486
but it's usually not very happy
foreign
I can't find the sound blaster
I remember rise of the Triad I never
enjoyed it
oh it it uh Sound Blaster yeah okay so
that program's turning so we have to run
the setup okay
I'm a little surprised I mean you know
it's not fast but this is usable
okay
my back hurts
all right let's see here so loaded
well it started
I don't think it's gonna stay started
but you know
I mean office 97 probably would be
usable
you know that's less bad than I would
anticipate
like if we make the screen size
a lot smaller
like all the way tiny wind I okay maybe
that that small but like say there
it's struggling I don't think I don't
think this is gonna be playable but
we'll try
new game La meltdown
oh uh right the detail sections
see your shadows
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it's the UI is lagging oh
what
oh it loaded a new demo
I mean that's actually better that's
that's almost
all right let's see here
um wow that is lag but it is
that's playable that is barely playable
but it is playable
uh how do I make Duke jump It's a
let's go grab that rocket launcher
okay
I believe I can shoot it's been so long
since I played this uh I think I can
shoot
through the wall
and accidentally kill myself
I don't know how I want to rate this one
I mean this is it's it's not horrible
considering how low the system specs are
it's not horrible
so let me grab the art oh no he's not
dead where do you go
okay
yeah I I don't really want to play the
game like this but it does play
foreign
I do find it funny here's the AOL
keyword and go realms
like that was a really big thing back in
the day where they paid for licenses For
That
yeah the fact that it runs it all is I
think the impressive part not the fact
that it doesn't run so let me figure out
how did I does anyone remember offhand
how I got Millennium Edition onto the
ThinkPad
I don't think I did it by a CD let me
let me load up my net my client
yeah okay so netware clients
and then let me put the Millennium disk
in
because this is going to take a bit this
will take a few minutes to copy so we
might as well multitask here
all right Windows
uh yeah
all right so the network client is
starting up
and then I'll be able to just copy the
CD onto the server
because I have let me just do that
do that log on supervisor
uh Map X
copy
all right so the CD is now copying over
to the netware server
um what do we want to do now so let me
look at the poll
um
I think we're going to convert to FAT32
first because that will actually help
with performance
and the idea of using FAT32 on something
this old is kind of amusing so Drive
converter
all right
so all right additional programs convert
Drive
that's fine
for where we're going we do not need to
run into
all right
let's do it
oh the entire process might take a few
hours that might be a little dangerous
uh well okay well we're going for it
I don't think it's going to take a few
hours but uh FAT32 will be much faster
because of the dissector size there's a
pretty large performance increase
I've also never done the conversion on
98 so it's kind of cool seeing this
so it's making space
well
all right you know I'll I'll grab it
because people keep saying to grab it
but
CPU Z vintage
I will grab this while that goes
the download page
and while that's copying let me get the
disc of all the drivers on it
so because that's valid running
and yeah it's two megabytes it's too big
to fit
um
the easiest there's no there's only
Annoying Ways to get this transferred
over
foreign
all right I don't have python installed
on this box
and if I ran simple web server under WSL
it won't actually do anything uh
foreign how can I grab it over that
have a great night Amy uh yeah I can
lower the background real quick
okay yeah
the problem is that I don't have an easy
way to put files on my net on my uh on
the netware thing but the netware thing
is still copying all the Millennium
Edition files
although I'm actually going to control C
that because it's copying a lot of
things it doesn't need
okay that's fine
uh yeah I could FTP it over hold on hold
on a second uh
let me let me just start this copy
process properly so x copy
win9x
all right so that's copying over
okay
uh that screen lasted all the way in
some form or another all the way until
Windows 7 is probably still in Windows
10 and such
not that it's actually used but I do
believe it's there okay so this is the
netware CD is copying
copying over
wow
fatigue be real
definitely still holding pretty good
viewership
I mean I think we have to wait until the
CD copies out
uh oh
why is this broken
how this is why does it end like this
no
I'm not I'm not losing I'm not giving up
hope I'm not giving up hope
load safe mode
I don't want to reinstall Windows 98.
I have a horrible feeling
foreign
I have this horrible feeling that that
the network driver is incompatible with
a FAT32 file system
I'm just copying files so we're being
productive
foreign
that's going all right so what went
wrong
uh probably because it's I had my
fingers on the keyboard
um
all right let's see
I should be able to just disable them
but somehow I those two things should
not be connected to each other
all right so let's just try properties
disable
yeah disable
and then restart
I could start the Millennium install
from Daws
we could still also try and drive space
it
I'm really annoyed that I'm seem to have
killed it
yeah no this is physical Hardware
foreign
magic can put the drive back but I would
have to put it on something
um let's see if starting without the
network
brings it back
I think it's starting
okay
you're kidding me are you actually
kidding me this the network driver is
incompatible with FAT32 mode
well I'm not writing it off just yet
oh God
why
see we've now reached the several hours
part of this oh my God it's actually
gonna run a defrag
it's actually going to run a defrag
I don't remember the last time I've seen
this
it actually should not be bad we haven't
deleted a lot of things on this system
this should be quick
yeah I'm gonna let it run it's been a
really long time uh we should not we
this is a fresh install there should not
be a lot of fragmentation this should
not take long
I
this is fine
I'm just going to let it run I'm gonna
let it start and then we'll see what
happens
like did it actually run the full thing
checking drive for error two percent
oh it's probably running a surface scan
like did you actually do your conversion
to FAT32
I did actually already do the conversion
so I could probably just hit stop
okay conversion was successful
so now can I re-enable
the network drive
or not the network drive the network
too late
I mean it shouldn't even need to reboot
like enabling a device like that you can
do you can do it on the Fly
it might just not boot but let's see if
it actually sees anything
apparently not
no it's got an IP address
it's talking to my network
you don't apparently have to reboot it
nethack.org
yeah
stop looking for Microsoft because
you'll never be able to load that page
yeah it is thinking about it
oh
Frip rap
yeah it went down f ah damn it
uh no it locked up it locked up
I'm surprised it went that long without
a crash
yeah I gave it the free finger salute
I hit the reset button on the front of
the system
yeah you can skip scan desk
this is a beta file this is a beta
driver that was never made by Intel for
that was never formally released that
we're kind of attempting to fate here it
will dispute
all right I got I gotta figure out a web
server so I can copy these files over
um
I feel like I I
this is incredible this is incredibly
cursed this was more what I was
expecting from this system
I almost wonder if we should undo the
fat Freddy 2 thing but
um
I'm just gonna hit boot log and let's
just see if there's anything interesting
in there
no no as long as we don't boot with the
network enabled it does work
yeah I think I'm gonna have to try and
uninstalling and reinstalling the
network drivers
this is going about as well as I
expected it to go
like this this is actually what I
expected I should not have upgraded to
fat32.
oh
but it shouldn't have also broken
anything
watch and now that I have bootlot
I didn't start with FAT32 because the
hard drive
I haven't tried enabling with the
network but uh
yeah I we might have to do a backup and
restore you know we might have to do a
backup and restore
you know what screw it let's actually do
that
um
we should have a backup utility we can
use let me let me think about how we're
going to do this
like there's absolutely no reason why we
couldn't back oh yeah no there is
actually a reason why we can't back up
can I get into command prompt only
I can
all right uh start net
we don't uh I need a backup utility
drive back up
don't think Ms backup was in this
version it should be on one of the
I can get it though hold on uh login
supervisor
uh I'm actually I should log in and
Commander
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okay
that's fine that's fine
I mean did there there's no reason why
this shouldn't work
I'd rather do it with a backup utility
because this will be much faster
all right save config
do a backup
we are just going to select everything
because there's certain files that have
to be saved so there's more than it okay
so uh select all
okay
see it's not going to save some of these
empty directories which I'm unhappy
about but it shouldn't
actually break anything
yeah I mean this should be fine
okay so now we need to back up we need
to select where it's going
you uh back up to
oh uh insufficient disk space
okay hold on
uh I forgot I forgot how I have this
thing set I think I think it's on L
actually is where this has to go yeah it
has to go on L okay that's fine
uh you just go to l
win 98
LP
start back up
oh you're right it's not long file name
aware this is an old backup utility stop
Ctrl C
cancel the backup
uh what can I use that would actually
support long file names
that's actually a problem because how am
I gonna if I back it up and restore it
without long file name support What will
what will work
uh
uh ghost
ghost would work uh oh wow and my
network server ran out of disk space
this is not going well
like this has gone
hold on
I gotta free some disk space
yeah there is a way to do this I just
have to think about how to do it
um or we could just reinstall
give me a moment to think about this
how much space do you have on l
okay so you have you have enough disk
space right there as is
um
it's a really stupid idea but maybe
like
because then I could use the Windows
backup utility but I don't know how
useful that actually is
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like
the windows back would be chilliest but
how am I going to restore the backup
that's the part I'm not sure about
okay so it's complaining that I can't
load some drivers that's fine
let me think about this
it's actually a pretty interesting and
difficult problem to solve I didn't I
didn't think about this like can we is
there there's gotta be a way that we can
restore well it did start
and then crash
well it was a pretty useless system to
begin with
yeah no this went about this win about
as well as I expected
I don't want to make that many uh test
floppies no that that is not a thing we
are doing here
um I don't
that is a level of torture I am not
ready to embrace
all right let's try purging and
reinstalling the driver I at this point
I have no other ideas of what we could
possibly try
I also need to figure out how I'm going
to free up disk space
um
foreign
oh I did have Windows me on this thing
okay well I did find where I put the
malayim Edition installer it's in the
dump directory
um
I don't know how that actually helps
but it probably helps
I probably have to just play with syscon
yeah this is real Hardware
Naomi you're not wrong
yeah no apparently the curse was
designed to run on faster Hardware
I could just copy the Millennium Edition
files to the hard drive and then we
could install it
like what could possibly go
I'm not saying the last word not saying
the last word
what could possibly go right
all right let's delete the network
adapter
I I find it hilarious in how bad this is
going like this has been far more
amusing than I expected it to be
I've proven I can get Windows 98
installed from scratch I haven't proven
that I can actually do something there
is option b which is a really stupid
idea that we could do we could install
Windows Millennium Edition over netware
directly onto the system like there's
nothing stopping us from actually just
installing me straight out
and I kind of love the horrible ideas of
this
like I I'm kind of I want to see what
the limit is I want let's see if we can
get the network to come back after a
reinstall and if not we will draw we
will use the netware boot disk and we
will reinstall Millennium Edition off
the network
uh
kavas this is not meant to be a useful
system
it's not meant to be a useful system
um I can make my boot disk support
pretty uh fat 32. I I prefer keeping it
as a Daws based one but I can completely
change that
all right but let's first try and re
just reinstalling the network driver
because there's a non-zero chance that
just fixes it
we're already dealing with
um
curse technology sometimes sometimes you
just have to reinstall and install the
curses in the right orders
okay long file name backup okay that's
good to know I don't know if that's
going to be super useful for this
because I rather just blow it away and
then redo it why is it updating system
settings
what is it done
my display works
oh I can't turn I can I can give it I
can turn on more colors I can even make
it a higher resolution
uh I don't really want to do that but
okay
I mean it got this far which is kind of
impressive and uh sort of haha I'm in
danger sort of sense
okay so add remove Hardware
it's going to search for Plug and Play
It's not going to find it
global positioning devices I didn't even
realize that was a category on this
version
okay
okay have desk
all right now take my hand off the mouse
okay
I'm still shocked that it managed to run
98 like the fact that it got this far
um I've tried quite a few ncr53s it just
doesn't show up
I've looked at how the Linux driver
works and I'm not surprised that it
doesn't show up uh apparently the only
thing that's ever seen it is the Nobel
netware driver sees it and then netware
AB ends
this is 98 we're trying it the
installation has gone sideways
okay
still going
uh I'm using netware 3.12
still going
no the pla the fit the the the failures
are real you have to get the authentic
end failure experience because that's
how this is going
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no I already pressed finish it's still a
lot it's still lagging
like I already pressed finish
yep nope it's still going it's still
going
well we've already raised over a
thousand dollars and got me over the
goal for the stream so I'm very happy
with that
yeah no the problem is that the fail
counter only uh Can Only Hold
um integer numbers
okay
here we go again I'm getting really I'm
getting a little sick of this part
I still don't know how it matches to get
this far I get how the hell the file
system we upgrade the file system of
FAT32 and that's what flipping broke it
like what the hell
like I almost feel like installing
Windows Millennium Edition will be less
cursed than this
and that's a that's a level of that's a
level of scary I don't even want to
comprehend
yep
I I think I'm tempted I don't know if I
want to do it tonight or as another
stream I am tempted to try Millennium
Edition on this thing like I am really
tempted to try Millennium Edition
what time is it it's 6 10 on Christmas
Day I don't know if I want to go super
late
because that's a
malayim Edition on this system has all
the makings of an amazing New Year's Day
stream
here
I mean it would be the first 12 hour
stream I've ever done on this channel
I mean I I'm I really do feel like
celebrating we hit the goal
still copying
still going and if you haven't checked
it out I do have a Discord server and
you can follow me on socials the links
are in the description
I should be shouting that out but my
brain has been a little bit
confuzzled
I think
Sierra
yeah that's why I like it it's so
horribly bad like I have yet to
successfully do a project on it like we
got 98 installed but the moment we tried
to install drivers
or the driver I shouldn't say drivers
because there aren't any
now we're going to install Windows
Millennium over the network uh it's less
pain
although pain is relative in this case
hmm
all right still going
and then we'll have to Swatch discs
again I really wish you could tell the
files were already installed so I
wouldn't have to keep copying
well you know their cell phone their
cell phone processor now Powers most of
the world's computer so that's kind of a
failure in a failing upward
so
I'm just debating if we're going to do
the me stream tonight because I kind of
want to put me on this system like I I
kind of like that as the Cherry at
the end of it we could try 2000 later I
just have to swap I either have to put
in a replacement scuzzy card or I have
to put in an ID hard drive I have both
so
um well this machine actually this is an
officially supported machine for landman
I actually have an os2 land-man driver
for it
like I would probably
I'd actually probably put os2 on this
system full time
yes I I actually have valid os2 although
I don't think os2 would work with the
scuzzy or it would use that in 13
failback driver
so yes um this machine would work great
with os2
95 might be okay as long as you weren't
running explore but it would not be good
I mean I would say 98 is probably this
as far as performance goes this honestly
is about the same as the sun PCI the sun
PCI was usable as long as you weren't
trying to do anything complex this
I could always reinstall it it's not
that big of a deal
um
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like I have tools that can archive and
back up something like this
because I could just dump the whole hard
drive over the network
I've actually ran tools I can do this
there's no direct upgrade path from
landman to server 2022 but we could take
an NT domain and take it all the way to
2022 by uh upgrading each version
to active directory with Exchange
oh God that is actually a really
horrifying idea
that might be our summer charity stream
project
to go all the way through
like that would be an end command like
this is not
in and of itself this is not interesting
enough to make an End commander in real
time video like it's literally me just
putting discs in
I mean I'd have to do a lot of VMS
although I guess I could do parts of it
on real Hardware
okay
almost there
yep
I mean this system had windows for work
groups on it when I got it
I do want to say that I feel like we
could try using the M the Windows 98
backup utility if we can get the network
going again
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I'd definitely be doing something
let me inject that disc and let's wait
for the reboot prompt
because I guess if we could install
Millennium Edition we could actually
upgrade from every version of Windows
1.0
to Millennium Edition on real Hardware
on this box
yeah the flag gen app would run on this
I just have to copy it over
all right let's see what happens
here
I think it's going to start
I do actually believe this may start
oh I'll be damned it actually it
actually started
it's not using the right network but
that's fine
uh do we want to back this up because I
have no idea how we would restore that
backup but I I kind of want I like I
just want to do a backup
like when was the last time you got to
actually use the win 98 backup utilities
I think I think I think it's running
again
Let's uh let's just take a peek at
Network neighborhood and see what it has
to say on the subject
okay so it we still need to install the
netware client
all right so there's the network client
and I'm glad to feed it floppy disks
again
I believe the windows 9x backup client
can back up to network so we might as
well do it
there is a restore command on the CDA I
know it's possible to restore from with
that
if nothing else I kind of just want to
do a backup for the sake of doing a
backup
okay just wait it's it's still doing
things
here
I've never tried to run the restore
program but I have used Ms backup of
this system before I keep the original
install of
like if I could figure out how to handle
the long file names I would just use Ms
backup with this
all right so that handles all of that so
now you do okay
like I believe the ACT hold on I'm going
to check it right now
but I want to say
that on the windows
desk
if I were to check that I believe
there's a restore utility
is that yeah it's still waiting for copy
and files so while that's going I'm
going to check if that restore utility
has to exists
so someone said there was a backup thing
okay so there is no copy of the res kit
here
from a different version it's from a
second edition but I do have a copy of
that res kit
Rex thank you for the 48 dollar donation
let me see here
so the default login is not the end of
the world
okay
lfn BK
I mean
the biggest problem is like I said
there's no command line tool to restore
it
It's gotta be a way to do this
um let's hear uh to the Googles
restoring Windows 98 backups
oh okay so the system recovery desk
can do this
there's a PC restore command
but it automatically reinstall you have
to completely restore wind so basically
the way it works is it reinstalls
windows and then it restores the backup
okay
so basically the problem is that I could
do a full backup but it would just bring
me right back to where I am unless we
have some more things we want to install
on this system
yeah I'm completely not surprised by
that either
um
it's your restore PC restore original
locations I still kind of want to just
do it for the sake of doing it though
yeah I could use ghost I probably should
use ghost I just I don't really want to
install ghosts I don't I would have to
put the files somewhere where I could
install it from it's a lot of effort
I I there's no reason to revert the file
system it's working
unless unless it's gonna break the
moment we install the network client
which is entirely possible
god I didn't even think about that that
might actually this might actually break
networking is working
sort of
like I don't I don't have an additional
flash drive what can I I have some zip
drives but again
I could probably just x copy it straight
to the uh well
no the netware server is too old it
doesn't support lfn
scuzzy doesn't work
we're using the fallback scuzzy
yeah we're basically using the bio
scuzzy fallback so we have no functional
scuzzy
uh uh
well here's the thing is that it might
just be the netware uh it might be the
Daws the network client that broke it so
it's possible after I install the
network client it's going to break no
it's it's doing in 13 emulation
let me figure out this out hold on
netware free one two long promise
it says that I should just load os2
support
okay so let me try that can I just load
os2 name
okay apparently that's all I had to do
uh let me go stick that in the
Auto exact file
okay so apparently all I had to do was
enable long file name
yeah load os2. NAMM I just did that on
the server console
so I could just x copy the whole thing
like there's nothing stopping me from
doing that
I will say this we are suffering from a
very this machine is suffering from a
bad case of possession
okay
if I ever reinstall this I probably
won't do this from floppy disk I'll just
load it off netware it would suck less
like
like at this point I'm kind of just
happy to just kind of YOLO this
um I could use a Windows 98 boot desk to
restore
I don't know why it's this slow though I
really don't
I am tempted to make a backup and then
see if we can restore it later
it's probably a horrible idea it's like
that's almost certainly a horrible idea
so hold on let's let's look at this
um let me grab let me grab that command
like I could just lob that one command
over the fence
we grab those
not what I need because if I can just
grab the resource kit files that may
just be all I actually need
uh
Windows 98 Second Edition that's the
only one I have to see before
res to get
tools
res kit
so let me copy
this
uh open back yeah
so I just copied that I just copied the
elephant back there so uh
all right that's been copied
we're going to know in a moment if this
works
yep I jumped the gun on the reboot I
keep forgetting to wait for that
it's fine
I can't easily check Discord while I'm
on stream so it's fine
I I'm reaching to a point that I'm I'm
more or less happy with this but I just
copied the
um
the elephant BK application
to the network
please work
foreign
that's what I believe it is elephant but
I'm not completely CERN
um
very real chance that we're gonna have
problems with this
see we shall see
I have links disabled in my chat or
while they're disabled by YouTube by
default
okay uh-oh
uh
[Laughter]
f
okay
so much for that idea
let's let's see if we can do a backup
and restore then
entirely possible
um
I will try one more time
apparently the netware driver has
problems
foreign
let's see if we can do safe mode with
networking support
I don't have high hopes for this
like I I really don't have high hopes
for this
in fact I have very low hopes for this
how is it this broken
okay so it is booting
it definitely has problems
oh it got in safe mode with networking
I'm surprised I didn't think that was
actually going to work
so do you work well enough that I can
actually talk to netware
also what happened to my Doom folder
okay it's not seeing the net it's not
browsing the network though
so while I have Network I don't have
network network
I mean when I ran the command on the uh
on the Daws system that I use as a
client
uh it made noises saying that it's
really unhappy but let's see here
okay I don't even need to boot from
floppy
all right let me let me throw this
somewhere where it can be found
it's just a very it's just a very
unstable system so let's see what we can
do with it
command line prompt only
must be run from an MS-DOS prompt within
windows 98.
because of course it does but I can copy
it
to the hard drive
yeah I changed the auto auto exec.bat I
I did that and then we can back this up
this is this has become a ridiculous
process this should not be this hard
we had it working once I can't believe
that
how did changing the file system break
it this badly like what what on Holly
I'm actually going to let just Start Up
Normally I just want to see what happens
Grand Tyler that won't work correctly
because I'm going to be using a
dodge-based backup program
foreign
it's thinking about that
all right I'll try that
assuming we can get to start
I mean it definitely sounds like it's
trying
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ly this is still trying to start so oh
uh
um
that's a netware login prompt
am I spelling that wrong
yes I am
this is just slightly cursed
yeah I'm not even gonna borrow that why
is it working
thank you
yeah I think we have working Network
hold on let's look in computer
yeah we lost the video driver
it's like this yeah
[Music]
I'm a little terrified
why is this working
yeah I also want to know what happened
to the Doom folder
all right so performance file system
let me just figure this out
foreign
where did I copy that file to I don't
see it
well I guess it doesn't matter
because I can just go get it again
long file name backup restore utility
I apparently copied it to the I don't
know where I copied it to but
I kind of want to take a backup
like that this feels like a very smart
and
uh very smart move right now
back up and remove long file names
um
I don't quite get how this works so why
why do I have to do this
so disable long name preservation for
all programs but what does it do I I
just all right I'm just gonna set it
all right and then reboot
I feel like we're running off Voodoo
like that that is the only possible
explanation for the things that we have
seen today here
all right let me I'll just look it up
here on the laptop elephant backup
okay
back up your files name files uh Records
both the short and the long
so we can just do this to make a single
backup I need to find a better solution
for this long term but this will do for
now hey we got the graphics we got the
graphics back
we got the graphics back
and we got the drum back
I don't understand this
foreign
I feel cursed
I can't I'm looking for I'm looking for
the all-natural uh I'm looking for that
all-natural netware experience
look Doom came back
[Laughter]
I feel oddly in danger right now
like
um
I do actually think we lost the
networking regain the graphics card
um
okay I'm gonna let that back up
foreign
they all share a desktop folder in this
version
I don't know why it's saying removing
attributes but okay
I think something
I think that broke something
uh no I know that broke something oh
seer
all right so reboot and back up
I can do that what
I'm just going to restore it restore it
foreign
look they're coming back they're coming
back
what the hell was that
let's go and terminate Explorer
what on
yeah I'm just going to shoot Explorer in
the head I don't think I want to touch
the attributes
okay that's fine so I just do elephant
like that
okay nope nope I lost all the long file
names they're now
uh oh
it crashed
can we get into safe mode
this is this is going this is going bad
way uh yeah let's see if we can get into
safe mode
ah
this is insane
it's really cool but it's insane
um I'm not sure what we're trying to fix
because I'm not sure what how many
what's left that could be fixed
I don't scan disk isn't going to be a
big help here
I don't understand we're a world we're
removing the
yeah I'm gonna restore it okay I get it
we're going to restore it
I don't know who designed this
application but I have problems with it
like if I can make it into safe mode
we'll be okay
no I think we're okay I think it just
removes all the long file names
that's fine we know I know I'm in safe
mode
so
yeah I can see that a couple of things
are just a bit broken at the moment all
right so here's what we do we are going
to restore
foreign
hopefully I don't
of course that setting didn't get saved
file system
I did
all right maybe I need to not be in safe
mode for this
is it possible this will start
multi-user
it'd be hard
I should probably just use ghosts but
whatever I'm committed this is a bad
idea and I want to see it through
I mean yeah it kinda is
all right let's see if it boots
I have faith in the utilities we have a
chance
see here I mean I should do an AUX
stream I really should I have Hardware
that would work
like I should be able to get into multi
I should be able to do a full system
startup that we can restore the files
reboot into a command line and then back
it up and then I had to find a better
solution for this
okay so far so good
oh it's creating a system policy
that's not good
uh we should be okay
this is fine
let me just see how broken the file
system actually is at the moment
okay so far so good
so what what does our root directory
look like right now
I don't know what we're running on it's
not good but it is running
yep no there are no long file names here
so uh all right so elephant
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restore restore
okay that's a little bit concerning
so it did restore all those so let me
now make a new backup
and then I'm going to the moment
Okay so
let's move the backup file
take the backup
so now all the files are going to go
away
uh you can't back scroll this all right
so now that we're here
I'm going to reboot the system I'm just
going to actually all control delete it
from right here
and force a restart
now the long file names are no longer
there
I'm now going back up
I actually want to try restoring this
backup like if this actually works I do
I want to just try it
oh
no I think I think it's okay
all right
back up
change this to
J
uh let's do we want to try it we are
going to do it
all right it's right in the back up
this is probably a horrible idea but it
is backing up
and yes it is Novell netware
I have no idea how long this is going to
take
I mean it's already done six megabytes
it's four percent yeah I know this won't
be too bad
this actually won't be bad at all
we're doing backups
foreign
it's almost it's going like I'm not
compressing this backup so it really
should just be the speed of the network
and 200 megabytes is not that hard
so chat here's a question
are we feeling spicy enough that we want
to try formatting the hard drive and
restoring
like do we want to try that
yeah I forgot to remove the swap file oh
well
it's already at 16 backed up so it can't
be that long
let's say having some crackers on hand
is really nice
foreign
that helps
okay it's backing up Doom
like this is cursed
I've never tried to do a backup and
restore
of Windows 95 or 98 to netware before
with MS-DOS based utilities
or you the problem we have here is we
don't have a backup utility
doesn't require me to reinstall the
whole damn system
I won't be able to restore and back this
up from Daws I could use ghost I really
could I really should just buy a copy
off eBay
but the masochistic side of me wants to
see if this will actually work
actually you know what I'm gonna do
worse we're going to restore this backup
from Windows 3.1
watch because I have free one installed
on the network
like we are going to go full cursed
Froyo here
all right
let's let this backup run
mm-hmm
this is something else I I haven't had
this much fun in ages
yeah we're already 40 of the way as what
five minutes this will be done in about
10 to 15. oh look Jaffa
foreign
I like the idea of instead of the Yule
Log we have a backup log
I wrote a DD app for Windows but I want
to try just try this for the sake of
trying it
mm-hmm
ah I think what I'll do is it's seven
it's 705 I probably won't be able to
order Domino's tonight but I got some
food on hand like what can I eat tonight
that's in my fridge
oh I have I have a box of stuffing I'll
make some stuffing after the stream I'll
just throw it in the microwave
and that will be part of my dinner
yeah but it's Christmas Day I don't
expect them to be open late
yeah I can't imagine I can't imagine any
Christmas any fast food is going to be
open today
um
I buy Domino's and I live in New Jersey
oh God who
I'm sorry I know I don't live in I don't
buy Domino's
yeah I just have the stovetop stuffing
thing so that that will work fine
foreign
the biggest problem is that with this
way my sleep is it's the fact that I eat
all my meals here
you go through a lot of food pretty
quickly because you're here 24 7. like
that's the
plus minus in my life
yes I think this is going back up in
what 10 15 minutes I say we nuked the
drive and we see what happens I'm I'm
actually really curious as to what
happens
foreign
yeah like
okay because if this works that is
awesome if it doesn't work then it's
also incredibly cursed and that will be
a great reason to end the stream and
then we will try again with installing
me off netware
all right now that now that folks are
talking about dominoes I'm gonna have to
check if mine is actually if it is or is
not open
because you know the thing is if we can
successfully restore this backup I'm
much more confident to drive space
like I really want to do it I really
want to do it
84 percent
85 percent
drive space is a disc compression
program that is notorious for making
hard drives disappear
foreign
a car that's the problem I live in New
Jersey
yeah I I definitely want to try dry
space and then I want to upgrade it to
Windows me but the fact that we upgraded
the file system caused the whole thing
to go flui like that should not have
happened
okay
I never need to drive space back in the
day I remember trying it it's just very
fiddly
no drive space Works in fat Freddy too
okay
so that took what 10 minutes to do the
full backup
I want to know if we can restore this
back up I really want to know if we can
restore this back up
that's not a problem we're just backing
up we're about to see if we can do a
backup and restore I'm about to see how
good of a system administrator I
actually am
uh we're just looking to cause problems
okay so now it's just doing a brief
verify I believe or it's just doing a
brief confirmation that nothing
has changed
this is a good way to spend a Christmas
all right
so now I've got the Windows 98 boot disk
in there
foreign
wait for it to finish doing that
all right back up complete
so
now we need to reboot off the Windows 98
boot disk and there's a reason I have to
do this
actually I probably don't need to do
this uh actually there is option b and
option b may be the smarter of the two
moves here
uh option b where's my network boot desk
here it is
Network boot
because I don't need to give a slash S
and that's really what matters here
all right so this will start this will
start off the netware server
yeah we're going to format it we are
actually going to format I just have to
wait until
and I have an entire video about this
netware setup if anyone has questions
okay
Imam is a testing
I probably I may monetize the VOD here I
see one of the things I need to figure
out is am I going if is if I want I'm
okay taking ad revenue on the charity
streams because these do I love doing
these charity streams but I gotta tell
you it does horrible things to my
YouTube Analytics
uh monetization I don't know how much
it's tracked but I'd have to figure it
out
no it's fine this is fine I know exactly
what I'm doing because we're booting off
a floppy
oh no I think I'm going to need an F
just command I just realized I need app
desk we're gonna have to delete the
frig this actually won't work
uh Plan B Plan B will work though
because the ram just the ram just took
dry layer C because it doesn't see the
FAT32 partition so let me just throw in
the other desk
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we're going to do the we're going to a
really fancy restore though I have done
this before
um it's actually how I put this machine
back to the way it was I um the eject
button is missing on this machine so the
scissors I can get far enough into eject
I have not dumped the BIOS on this
system I don't I have to figure out how
to do it
okay so let me hit F3 here so this will
drop me to a Dos prop so what do I have
on here I do have format so we're just
going to do a quick you know format c q
that that's fine
okay
yes so we just formatted everything we
just did we're gonna find out if this if
we can actually restore this back up
this is going to be exciting
now I need to switch to the other desk
because this one has the uh has the
network stack on it
uh I actually want to keep the format
because I don't want to have to
reinstall the boot sector
I vaguely remember there's some problems
with this so let's find out if we can
actually restore this back up
my boot disk does not support FAT32 but
I used one that does that's the cute
part so now now we get to check out the
cursed part of this
oh uh the path did not load
where's the Sox
did I really break that or no maybe it's
in Winfrey one
foreign
break this
oh no hold on I remember how this works
it's been a while since I've used this
thing
cannot find files need to run in either
check path is correct I think the pat oh
the path must not yeah path to not get
updated
oh why is why is this being problematic
says Khan
uh user information
login Scripts
okay so maybe it won't run Windows 3.1
under this it should
like there's no reason why it shouldn't
foreign
just because I'm curious
are you just complaining because the
path is in the wrong direction are you
actually broken
I may have broken this at some point I
completely forgot about it
uh
I could just run Ms backup directly but
I really I actually want to know why
this is broken because I do use this
setup for other things why are you
broken
custom setup yeah that's all correct I'm
just gonna let it perform upgrade and
repair
actually no I want to use window no I do
want to use this one I don't want to use
Windows for workers this is one of the
very few times you don't
want to use Windows for work groups all
right let me do the repair
now win free one should work fine
if it doesn't work it doesn't work
yeah no it's fine I must have broken the
profile at some point
so what I have is a network install of
Windows 3.1
um and the L directory is the home
folder so this is a multi-user free one
I must have broken it at some point
that's easy enough to fix though
actually I I may uh I may have done this
wrong no I you don't need to do an
administrative installer you shouldn't
have to do an administrative install
hmm
um yeah the graphical well the graphical
backup program I have I just want I just
want to do this for style points really
we've already run everything else
this horrible okay I know I gotta switch
the discs around
this horrible sensation I just broke it
but we'll find out
foreign
well it was nice trying it okay so that
was actually probably working and then I
just broke it
that was fine
that's fine
so what we learned here is you can't run
Windows 3.1 under windows 98.
all right you know what I'm not giving
up that easily
let's go back no let me restore it with
FAT32 it's fine we'll just
forego the style points
and I'll have to figure out how I broke
that that's that's a little annoying
yeah no no I I'll accept that I'm wrong
all right
foreign
like I said I really just have to redo
this entire setup it's just it's going
to be a project
okay
all right let's see if we can
successfully restore this so C drive is
empty
thank you
okay start restore
select files for ReStore
select all files for ReStore
okay I forgot how you do this
uh special
oh I hope those didn't get excluded from
the backup
there's a way to do this hold on restore
options
restore empty directories I really hope
I backed up the empty directories
select all files
loading restore
okay
why are you complaining you should be
able to restore these catalogs
restore from
I've done this before so that we have
the full backup that we did here
select category
uh Windows 98 there's the backup
foreign
that's a valid backup path you can see
the catalog
restore to other Drive
why is it doing this to me
I want to restore
store from that's correct
original locations backup catalog
that's correct
restore all files
load
if I just tell it to start so if I do
that because I've done this before start
restore
can't find or open file autoexec.bat
what is it why is this having
oh maybe
because it's
I wonder if it's having problems because
this is a six you know
I have I have an idea of what's going on
let's just see if I'm right about this
it may be dying because this is a fat uh
a fat 16 hard drive a fat 32 hard drive
yeah I should have just invested I know
I should have invested in just using
ghost
ah
the restore path is J because it's the
the restore archive is on netware
so let me I'm not giving up just yet I
have an idea
I have an idea it's probably a bad idea
but it is an idea
this is really not have an eptis command
on it it does actually it does not have
an ftis command on it I'm surprised
um
that means I have to do it from Dawes
that's annoying
for a lot of reasons that's actually
quite annoying
that is like I don't have a CIS command
all right fine
that's what's going to take though
that's what's going to take
let me do an F disc and uh let me do an
F disc and then a format and then let's
see if we can restore those archives
promise that's going to leave me the
wrong boot sector but one problem at a
time
you're right I do need a real Windows 98
startup disk and I screwed the pooch on
that one but fine this was a learning
experience
we're just going around for fun
okay so I'm gonna let this
oh no
foreign
did you really change out my drivers on
this disc
I think you did actually start that
I think the windows installer actually
broke my boot floppy
that really irritates me
uh why copy High men
yeah no that's exactly what happened
High mem got overran
fortunately I know how to fix this
so so apparently Fate has just decided
to screw with me
you know I do find that as project goes
on standards for Success go down and
we're basically in that territory right
now
okay
no we got Windows 98 working with
networking I am I'm not giving up just
yet I'm not quitting just yet
I made a backup and we are going to
flipping restore it why is it saying
incorrect dos version
invalid Drive specification hold on
why is it being like this
I know the files it needs
I'm pretty sure it upgraded my setup and
thus broke everything
yeah no apparently that's exactly what
it did
yeah apparently you overwrote both High
Mam and RAM Drive hopefully it didn't
screw the other system files
we'll know in a moment
Yep this is probably one of the higher
view streams I had I'm surprised it's
this high for Christmas Day
uh there's likely just a version check
number let's just see what happens
extended Mary there's a switch to
disable that which I should just set and
be done with it
foreign
yeah that was apparently it apparently
overrode a bunch of my files that's
annoying
yeah it looks like it looks like it's
just a hex deference but it still has to
be resolved
train wreck but we're trying to restore
the train wreck from backups I I want to
see if we can pull this off I I would be
over the moon if we actually match this
insufficient disk space
um
what
are you done to my floppy desk
it probably copied some additional files
here that it shouldn't have I just don't
know what it copied
uh I'm not gonna worry that much about
it at least not right now
okay so what we need now is we need
fdisk we want the non-dos partition one
yes
create
use max size
and then restart
okay
oh we're going to see a really cool
error message something you don't see
very often
like I know that I know the message
that's going to show up and it's
different because we're going to be
running we're still running off netware
extending testing memory
so I think what I want to do is I I've
been convinced at this point I have to
build a better file
uh uh
fail
oh you're gonna do that aren't you
Ctrl C turn eight batch drop uh yeah
it's getting it's having problems
because of
starting at
so now we're going to see a really
cursed error message or message
foreign
no the problem is that the C drive is
unformatted
but check this out
slash Q for quick slash S for Network or
for system and we should get a really
unique message
here
um
oh it didn't actually do it hold on
I want to show this one off so let me
eject the drop the desk
insert Daws disk in drive a when ready
this is the message I want to show it
needs the boot sector
yep
fine do unconditional oh it's going
you're really gonna make me sit here and
do the full format aren't you
it
won't take it won't take that long
famous fast last words on this one but
okay maybe it will take that long I
think it's gonna take about 20 minutes
to do that
because of course
yeah it's really going to make me do the
entire format aren't you
okay
yeah it's fine I rather I'd rather just
we'll just sit here and do that it's not
gonna take that long to do the format
what I'll do is for the windows
Millennium stream is I'll just reinstall
this off the server off the network
server and that I think that's gonna be
the new it'll either be the New Year's
Eve or the New Year's Day stream I
haven't decided you know let's let's
let's check
when me stream
all right so this is going to eight
percent
I don't want no you
nordvpn does not make this solution
better nordvpm just creates prompts okay
let's see how folks feel about this
wow Chad is divided on this one Chad is
actually divided on this one
mind the gap
all right I'm gonna go stretch my legs
while you while everyone vote I'll be
back in a moment
my legs are a little cramped
foreign
yeah
I think I think we'll be okay I do think
everything
this is we'll be fine
it won't quick format because there was
no valid fat to begin with unfortunately
so we might as well just wait it out
what I'm probably expecting is going to
happen is we're going to have to boot
from the windows floppy disk
um
okay
all right so I guess we're doing a new I
guess we'll do it on New Year's Day
I'm still I'm still very happy that we
reached that goal
less happy that this broke astrophically
but you know what I'll take the good or
the bad
all right 30 percent
well I mean you know it's only 20 years
past the Millennia uh sorry 23 years
past the millennium
wow that suddenly made me feel so old
that was like
no but I could boot from a floppy desk
like I could boot from a Windows 98 boot
floppy and then because that'll have the
MBR I'll be able to start that way
foreign
I mean it's trying I I have this
horrible feeling that this is my backup
is broken but we will try
I mean I'm more inclined to do a
Minecraft stream like I I might
legitimately do Minecraft
probably not tomorrow but maybe Tuesday
in the evening I might stream it for a
few hours
okay
no it would be dungeons dragons and
space shuttles
um
this is actually this is painful this
this format is actually kind of painful
for me
so
but um
yeah I what I would want to do is I
really want to finish the ddss world
that I've been working on I'm so close
to the end I've got the singularities
I've got the creative fluid tank which
in that pack is a flipping challenge I
mean this is getting to gtnh Stargate
territory uh what's left in that pack
because it's trying to check for bad
sectors that's why it's doing it it's
stupid it's it's an old utility it's how
they work
yeah so I mean
you know what I'm gonna load up the
server for the world while this loads
because I'll give I'll give the people a
brief tour of it I think we're getting
to the end of the stream so while that
goes
um
where did I put the server though I
think it's in
all right so my ddss server is starting
up because it started Life as a
multi-place
a multiplayer server so it's easier to
keep doing that
hey we're halfway there
yeah so dungeons dragons and space
shuttles is loading up I'll even load
I'll load up the curse Force client not
that anyone should ever be
I'm annoyed that I had to use curse
Forge just because
um
like all the third party clients have
just basically broken
at this point because of curse Forge
yeah no we are basically on living in
prayer territory
I do have the right boot desk
and we're more than halfway there
we don't have the CIS a there's no CIS
command here though
like like I the level of functionality
that exists here is very low but I do
have a plan
and I think we can work with that
like I have an actual plan
on how to do this
all right so this is loaded
so I will let this load up the paths
all right
60 percent
um
it all kind of went sideways and when I
say it went sideways I mean it went very
sideways I need to reinst I will have to
just basically reinstall it if this
backup restore doesn't work well I
formatted the drive but I wanted to know
if it would work because we've already
kind of screwed with it and I'm gonna be
unhappy with that install so it's not
that hard to work with
um I just don't know what I would want
to do on top of a millennium Edition
okay so Minecraft is loading up on the
other mod or
um
and what I'll do is I'll give folks a
pretty brief World Tour
um format uses CIS
65.
yeah I we we learned that lesson don't
convert to Fat Freddy too
well I I honestly should just have gone
through the trouble to get ghosts the
problem is I'd have to find a copy of
ghosts set it up set the floppies it's a
to be figured out stream that I really
didn't want to deal with right now and
um
I still really don't want to deal with
it I'll be perfectly honest about that I
don't use this machine that often like
it very rarely comes off my shelf I
mostly am using it because I don't use
it
okay 70 percent
Windows Millennium did not support NTFS
at all
Sierra so 73 there is an unofficial
driver for Windows uh 9x that can load
NTFS but it's not even period correct
someone I think from the colonel X guys
made it
okay
okay 95
[Music]
almost there this is this is
excruciating
this is excruciating
uh even NT3 free one still had NTFS it
also supported hpfs as an upgrade path
for os2 but you never were supposed to
use hpfs with NT unless you were
commingling with os2
um we could install nt4 I just need to
replace this I just have to either put
an IDE Drive in or replace the scuzzy
drive or put a scuzzy card in
it's one or the other
eighty percent
it's a 33 megahertz one
it's a very it's a it is not a fast
system I mean this is a 19 it's probably
in 1991 or 99 late late 91 or early 92
system
it's very it's hard to date these things
exactly
all right
all right so right now and
we are uh ddss is still living I almost
would want to do a Greg Tech New
Horizons run but I there's a lot of
things in gtnh that drive me a little
bit crazy
no this is a dx9sx
um it's just a really early DX
89 percent
90 percent
the problem is that you know the
progress bar is going to update which
makes it annoying
yeah
you can put an SX processor in here it
has the jumper for it strangely enough
um and there is a there's a 487 slot in
there I guess IBM Intel must have sold
it
in an SX configuration because it's got
the slot for its FPU or if I want to put
an AutoCAD chip in it
yeah I mean I know I know what that is
10 of my yeah I know how this goes 94
when we get to 100 the stream just only
stops oh you know what that I shouldn't
joke about that I should not talk about
that
oh it's almost there
seven
I've had this power go out on stream
before that would not be the first time
that's ever happened
that would not be the first time it's
ever happened I really I actually saved
that stream I I did the fastest reboot
ever
I believe the highest I could take it as
I I could put an everdry 586 in here
okay format complete
cool
so next thing I want to do is
I want to fix the this setup program so
if I want to do a
um
I forgot how you do it yeah okay it's
slash and I want to do a shared setup
uh I want to take this to scout because
I don't want to update system files
okay custom setup
because this is what I meant to do the
first time
[Music]
all right that's fine this should this
is this should be real quick I shouldn't
even have to copy anything
yep pretty much
don't want to install printer
don't think I had anything to Value here
uh I'll just let do a search okay that's
fine skip tutorial return
[Music]
so no apparently there was a problem
with the path because now this is not
working
uh
um
apparently I need both of these in here
and then it works okay so maybe it
wasn't maybe it was an actual broken
path issue
I'm gonna have to fix that with six
system cons so now I can run MW backup
well as soon as I can remember where it
is
okay so we go to
is it under y I think it's under y all
right so now we run MW backup like that
uh
uh slightly annoying
okay so now we want to restore files
that backup's fine restore to path
because that's the one we took tonight
just wait for The Hourglass okay so
restore files let's restore our we want
to restore all files
just restore all files restore from path
and uh actually I have to open the
command line
okay so Matt J
data
okay
restore
figure
see that catalog exists why isn't it not
letting me select it
uh oh okay because that's not actually
the right folder J
equals dump
yeah okay that that is actually correct
invalid Drive assignment why is that an
invalid driver assignment that should
not be an invalid driver assignment
uh load catalog
it's here
probably just need to restart the app
store
fingers crossed
come on
foreign
how do I get that box to show up if I
want
catalog load
okay yeah I guess I do have to close and
restart Windows that's fine
actually let me add that setting because
I don't it wanted me to add a line about
this so I might as well do it
well we'll see if it actually matters
I don't know how I want to change the
step exactly I'm going to do like a
brainstorming session just to see how I
feel about changing it
all right
come on
yeah I know the hardware is definitely
slow
load catalog file
and I have no j
why are you here under why doesn't make
sense
okay
restore all file start restore
what's the state of my file system why
am I getting
okay so we look at y
it's probably yeah so that's the data
data folder that's definitely not right
so let's
forget oh I probably forgot to run maps
that's probably exactly what happened
the net the windows Network client would
have taken care of that for me
uh dump
yeah we did lose the the boot sector all
right
yeah I think I screwed okay hold on uh
uh so I've got J correct now I got fix
Ed damn it
I am not five I'm not dude I'm not I'm
not doing so great tonight oh well
um Matt
let me just check what the maps are
supposed to be
login script is y supposed to be
datadaws okay
foreign
load backup catalog from J
all right so now why don't you show
backup catalogs
retrieve
retrieve from J
win 95 back okay there's your catalog
retrieve is complete
now we have the backup catalog
uh yeah I mean I know the feeling
okay
store all
from
Jay
fall files
is it restoring
it's thinking about it
hey it's restoring
it might actually be doable
it also might be broken entirely because
it may have not backed up oh hold on
cancel cancel there's something we have
to do first
um
of course your configure
is this restoring uh empty files that's
the that's the thing is I don't know if
it's backing up the system files
it shouldn't matter
like it should not matter but it
probably will
um
like hold on let's see here what file
let me see what's in the catalog
you are yeah that's kind of what I
expected special
don't exclude any of these uh and then
yeah okay cool restore all these files
with all their attributes
that's good
restore
oh I can't I'm having fun with this
uh we have a backup of the lfns we have
an actual backup of the lfns
okay uh disabled the read-only warning
and let's do it
I'm mostly at this point curious if it
can be actually restored I don't know if
it will or will not but the fact that
it's even trying is kind of Awesome
I just have to fix the all the crud I
broke I like I I did kind of Fubar this
foreign
but see I'm the only user of this system
so it's not really that big when was the
last time you saw a backup being
restored
uh we're restoring a backup
we basically made a backup with Ms
backup and then I wanted to see if I
could restore it with the lfns I need to
just buy a copy of ghost off eBay
I mean yeah that's a pretty accurate
description of this channel watching
progress bars
it's fun though
I mean I doubt anyone has ever restored
Windows 98 from free one
I am really hoping that this works
eight percent
all right looks like I finished that one
off let me go grab another one
foreign
yeah ghost won't be too bad
um
I mean NJ Road fan we are using Central
Point backup though
I mean this is basically Central Point
backup it's just been rebranded
foreign
like 50 floppy disks for this
I mean we could go for the home stretch
I could do the Emmys upgrade tonight but
I feel like I'm tempting fate as is
I don't have 32-bit disk drive disk
access I just have 16-bit disk access
the readme for the thing says if you
need to use more than one hard drive
yeah this is 10 megabit or I believe
it's 10 megabit yeah it should be
okay the processor is too old for XP
I just enjoy it I enjoy entertaining
people is more specifically
like I wouldn't do something like this
just for the sake of doing it but I do
enjoy entertaining people and I enjoy
fundraising for good causes so because
of that
um I will sometimes do projects that I
would interest me but I wouldn't
normally go out of my way to do
sometimes I will do my research live
like the past extreme I did was one of
those
yeah so it's usual
um you don't have you know
there's not a lot of people streaming on
Christmas Eve
or sorry Christmas Day Christmas Day Eve
at this point and Naomi you're welcome
to join the Discord as is anyone else
we we have we have we have minus one the
the the
processor speed is mine is only one
greater than the amount of megabytes I
have in memory
I didn't learn as much from lfs as you
would think because I just used to use
do Linux core development for a living
so I know a lot of it
yep
um I would not make us I wouldn't mind
going for a second go at Old Unix I
don't know when or what I would do with
it
but I wouldn't mind a second go of it
I could do a Linux from scratch for this
machine but I would have to again either
figure out how this galaxy controller
Works which is defied explanation or I
would have to just put an IDE Drive In
I mean there it goes I have I actually
have played with multix it's fascinating
it's just hard I don't even know how it
would be able like I could maybe do an
hour maybe two of content but it's hard
like I'd have to really study and learn
what I'm doing with maltex and
um me shooting completely blind probably
isn't that interesting
man listen to that hard drive grind
I've managed to compile hello world with
the P1 uh the pl1 compiler on it it's
just a with multix if you just enter the
video mode you can run emacs and that's
enough to give you a decent an okay if
not decent Adder uh at which point you
can run the Fortran or pl01 ones there
is supposedly a c compiler but I
couldn't find it it may not be in the
stock install tape
uh Cancun thank you for the five dollar
donation to Trevor partract this has
been a victory
I've only done lfs once and I did that
on uh for AMD 64. I did a lot with arm I
just know how it all goes together
because again I used to do this
professionally
Hey look it's restoring Doom
it's probably it's taking longer to
restore than it took to actually write
the backup but it's it'll probably speed
up
here
I mean you could always do hard drive
emulator sounds but you know
all right well fingers crossed that this
is actually going to be potentially
viable because this will be the first
time I've ever seen a 98 restore
actually work
hopefully it's yeah so but yeah
restoring takes quite a bit longer than
the backup did
you know what we can load up Solitaire
while it goes
we have this thing called multitasking
why don't we do it use it
we'll know it's done with the hard drive
grinds the grinding sounds go away all
right so we can move that there that
there
uh does that give me anything useful not
relay
also not really
uh
sort of that I need to get that Ace out
but this is not a fun deal
uh
the ten and the three I wanna get that
three out because that three is going to
be useful
I can't do anything to get that six out
let's go for the next draw oh that's
handy
that's also handy
that I can use
uh actually we can move that like that
and I can move a king out of here
three
seven
if that gives me a king here an ace
there move that there oh well that was
lucky
okay I'll take that I will completely
take that
uh all right so what we've got here we
have a five I know there's another Ace
in here but oh I'll grab that two while
we're here let seven help us
no
uh and I can't easily get that card out
for
seven
nothing amazing in that deal all right
so what can we what can we do with this
do I have any valid moves left I should
um maybe not well hold on I can put the
nine here
King there
and then the eight
I don't know how that helps me but I
always find getting cards out of here is
always a smart play
um
we have a seven here we can get a red
seven it would help let me see what
cards come up
uh actually that okay that actually does
help so let's grab that seven that moves
this pile to here and then we can flip
this up
wow it's lagging
Joker or not Joker uh Jack
not amazing card flip uh
uh a red ten would be ideal for that
let's see what we can get out of there
can we move this six to anywhere useful
really
uh I might as well grab that and see if
we can make another card come down
gives me a five
I can't do anything with that seven
doesn't help there this will cause the
because I took the card off though
there's the ace
all right that helps
that is a distinct help
uh Queen
okay
I would really like to move this oh hold
on I can move these cards like the
second me a seven
foreign
I still can't do anything with the seven
yeah that doesn't really help me all
that much all right so what can I do
with what I just uncovered
like all the twos are buried which is
really frustrating
black nine
oh yeah of course so
oh look at two finally
like that that took way longer for that
card to come up than it should have uh
what do I still have in the spot I have
like nothing useful in this pile
um
I can move this Jack it would be amazing
all the twos must be buried
yeah I I can't get that four out
I'm thinking this is gonna be a scratch
I don't see any more valid moves
yeah New Deal oh well we tried
how's the restore coming
38 all right we got a few more games
than us
got a few more games
I'm not a big fan I'm not a big fan of
Minesweeper I really am not
all right
uh that's just kind of terrible all
right let's
let's see how many cards I can flip up
and then we can move this King
here because having these cards buried
that was a good move on my part
let me see we have any aces up here we
can grab
there's that Ace there
uh uh wow that's kind of terrible all
around
uh all right let's see what we can do
this let's grab that nine
can't do anything with that 10.
that's seven
four
Queen can't do anything with that
Jack can't do anything with that and
another Jack wow that that is just
uniformly terrible
but we took a card out so it's going to
change the deals and that gets me
another Ace up there
okay all right
it's still pretty terrible
let's see what we can do with this let
me grab that eight
I can't do anything with that 10.
uh the free we can do something with
though
uh yeah oh you know what
oh that's
that's a bit of a mixed package let me
grab that seven out it's getting the
higher cards
moved helps
hey there we go
five and a five
uh I can move the four
okay well this is starting to look less
terrible
put the three up there and that gives me
another king
uh okay
what can I do with these these are all
terrible
let's see what we can do with what we
have and grab that we can play that
can't really do much with that
these six I can do something web we can
take to six we can grab that five
or actually can I undo that yeah please
don't do that
uh well wait which pile do I want to
move
I I
think I want to move this pile
I'm again eight
another four there it doesn't that
doesn't do much
but this will move the car this will
change the cardboard around okay we can
work with that
um
two that that helps that actually does
help
uh red nine does not do a thing
black nine two oh yeah I'm stupid I
should have seen that one is that there
well now we know where all the face
cards are that's actually helpful
um
sort of helpful
I'm not having good feelings about that
I'll grab that
which puts it gives me yet another four
I really need a red four uh let me grab
that Jack
that would let me free up another space
for a face card
gives me a six no help there another
Jack
Queen
oh wow that was that I think that's GG
red six
red six red five on six
where's the red five
yeah I can't get to that I I shouldn't
have shuffled the DAC but
rip
all right New Deal
it's no problem we're just killing time
right now
sooner or later I'll be like actually
good at this game
let's see if I can get any of the aces
I'm actually going to grab that too
because that if that card gets buried
that will get really annoying
wow it this this is lagging like I I
have actual UI lag playing this right
now
uh
uh I'm not going to grab that card just
yet because I want to grab those Aces
and that this is about the shuffle
so that should bring at least one of the
aces to the front
yep and it did
I will grab the eight and then move the
seven
gives me a king not
great but okay
no help there
that helps
and yeah that gives me basically nothing
all right let me see if I can get that
other Ace out I don't think I can but
we'll try
uh you know that's not horrible that is
definitely not a horrible move
it's here
Oh see it's so it's so laggy it's
actually really frustrating to play
uh I can't I can hold this one out
doesn't really do much for me but okay
uh I'll grab the two
I know let's see what we can pull going
for the deck
uh the six
we can get a five it would be nice but I
don't think we will
for
grab that Jack
like wow I can feel the lag it's bad
an eight a six
is this done yet
no wow it's only at 44 it's going to
take a lot longer to restore than it
took to make it and I think we gotta
play one more one or two more
okay
that's fine this is fine
I think what I'm going to do is I'm only
going to pull one card at a time out of
here
and then we'll I'll Shuffle the deck
unless it's two cards directly on top of
each other
I think it's a better strategy going
forward
although in cases like this I really
don't want any of these cards to be
buried there's not a lot I can do I'm
just going to take the one
that's a lot of face cards in there that
is not good
seven doesn't help the three doesn't
help
none of that really helps
all right uh can we move any of these
cards
we can grab the three and that should
move the position of one of the face
cards
foreign
the hard drive really went quiet on me
nope still restoring it's just taking
its time
five eight
nine
okay
oh yes the queen and then I can grab
that
yeah I'll do that
King one ace
sure I see the movement there
It's probably hard for chat to watch me
playing wow my arm is falling asleep
because the angle I have to hold the
mouse
King on Ace
how
on Ace
I how can I put the king
on the ace
that's not a valid move
uh okay well I'll take that
yep I mean right now we're just killing
time while the backup restores
um
and then I gotta hope we're going to be
able to do something with it oh I can
that was useful we got a two up there
actually we've got a three up there as
well
uh can we move anything else up there
not this moment
but if we can get a red five it would be
nice
Queen I'll grab that too
uh not the worst pass for the deck
not the worst patch for the deck but I
don't think I have any more moves left
I've got this seven doesn't help doesn't
help doesn't help
doesn't help wow this was this was a
pretty terrible initial draw
all right let me just see oh all right
well I'll take the I'll take an ace
in fact I will take all of that thank
you
all right
I'll grab that three I'll grab that
eight
I will pull out the two because the two
we're going to need
um
the five lets me unbury the four to flip
the card oh
that's annoying
uh we can do that
flipping up another king
okay
gives me a five
uh you know what I'll take that that was
actually a pretty successful set of
flips
uh gives me eight no use there and a two
I will save the two and I will actually
grab that Ace so let me move another
card up there and we flip the deck
foreign
see if any of these cards are
immediately useful to us
so we get an eight
four
uh
uh that's not looking promising nine no
problem no good there
let's see here
can we get a deal out like what do you
mean deal out
do you want to see me win the game or
uh because we can change the options we
can change it to draw to draw one
which will make it less likely that I
will get stuck but it does make it
yeah all right we'll do draw one where
let's see how close we are
56 hopefully it's near the end and not
versus not but we'll see so let's go
through the deck and just grab oh
grab the aces
it's always nice when all four aces end
up here and which oh I that would be
really using if that actually does
happen I actually don't want to do that
move
okay so all four aces were in the uh
initial hand
okay then all right let's flip so let's
move and flip some cards around
uh we'll put this one
it doesn't really matter
nothing nothing nothing nothing all
right so what we got that we can work
with here
a five would be like
red
not helpful
could be helpful
here eight
King
that's here
five to four
missed it
why am I not seeing it end of the deck
well I'll grab the twos while we go
through
I am I am starting to get a little tired
we've been streaming for a long time
red red five to Black four
but that doesn't actually help me
like that doesn't actually give me any
additional moves
because I basically need to move one of
these face cards to make it useful
so I really need is a Jack or a queen
because that doesn't do me that doesn't
help me
because cards up here I can always pull
out at any time I just have to click for
the deck so let me grab that nine let's
see if we can pull an eight out that
does something for me
seven
I'll grab that six I'm not sure that
helps but if I have a red five I can
grab it
do I have a red five I can reach
yes I do
so now I can grab which four do I want
to grab I think I want to grab this one
yeah I'll grab this one and I'll flip
the card up it gives me a seven you know
what I can work with that that's
actually that's actually useful
which gives me the three which gives me
the four
uh okay okay
the two is probably under one of these
oh I can move that
move the six six doesn't immediately do
anything for me
five to four
four to oh four to five
I'm not seeing that as a helpful move
Queen oh yes yes
and then it gives me a jack
thank you chat
gives me that four
we've got another king will pull it out
I don't know yeah we do have a king in
fact it's a king of the right color so
all we need is a queen
gives me another king
that's a little Annoying uh do I have a
I need a that's exactly what I need
give me a jack I can use that gives me a
seven
it's not super useful
uh
uh yeah it's actually not super useful
all right let me see if we got 10
somewhere I can let me build out these
piles
yeah we gotta build out some tens
seven
I think there's some not I'm pretty sure
there's nine still in here
uh I will grab that even though it
doesn't actually do me much
just so I have less cards to go through
nine
seven six
doesn't help me to grab that right now
oh I don't think I have I don't think I
have another card I Can Fly
I actually don't think I have another
card I Can Fly
is this done
no okay just being quiet
it's a little annoying
yeah I got completely buried
yeah I don't have any valid moves left
nuts
and that one was looking promising
that was looking promising yeah I do
think we're at the near the end of the
stream but fair enough
are not quite the end but
we're gonna wait for this backup to
finish uh to finish restoring and
after that I am reaching my limit
okay Ace
uh
uh yes yes yes yes yes yes
not useful but okay
oh
grab that Ace grab that two
I don't know what compelled me to
actually do this
well we're playing with unlimited passes
through the deck well it is lagging
see if it wasn't lagging I wouldn't mind
so much but this is a little Annoying to
play
I know it's for the children
I think it it
no it's not done
while it was done it's not done
seven and then this would let me move to
six
okay
gives me a nine uh
I mean okay I'll take it actually hold
on undo
gives me a four
two
we have we have a if we as long as we
have a red 10 in here we can move that
card
Let's see we have that 10.
yep there we go red ten move that gives
us an eight that helps
uh not amazing but okay
okay it gives me an eight a nine
uh yeah I'll grab that I'm not gonna
move that card over just yet in case I
have to build a new stack but
nine six
seven
actually I can play that card
um
I don't have a three I can play but
let's see here eight
oh hold on uh no yeah let me do that
because this pile doesn't help me
Queen
nine
the three the four flips up
that helps
that that also helps
gives me the three the seven
oh the two excellent
uh Jack
okay well this should be easy now
just need to literally click on all the
cards
I still have to actually win the game so
all right seven six
I am tired like I am actually tired
six
six diamonds must be up here
I'm not used to usually I don't get to
flip them all over like that until near
the end
that's cool
grab that we're making the last pile
flag the lag I just wish it wasn't
lagging
there we go
oh that is excruciating to watch look at
that
Point Blank
at least now we have something to watch
like you can imagine what it's like for
me trying to make the moves
boink
this is gonna take a while
point
boink
painful
oh oh I it up I it up
it's only at 78 why is it taking so long
it didn't take this long to drop off
all right I at this point I'm committed
mentally we'll see it through
all right fine I will try I'm sorry I'll
try and get it back I will play another
one
we will play another one
I will make sure you get your VOD
maybe maybe we'll just like get right
off the bat
besides it's good for causing me pain
and we know it's done when it starts
moving quickly
four that is no use
uh uh none of these are useful
oh that one is but
[Music]
that one is uh that's like a pretty
actually that joker I'll have to go back
around but that Joker uh not Joker um
that Jack is useful let me grab that
eight and then we grab that seven which
flips up that card not immediately
useful to me but it will be
okay
uh because we have a if we pull a six
I will make sure that you get this very
slow yeah okay there we go six
okay I know I can move this like that
and that gives us
that
that helps
that doesn't
um
move that like that gives us the a 10.
it's a lot of uh red face cards
like that's a lot a lot of red face
cards
okay Queen to Jack Queen to Jack
it stopped like oh there's the lag like
every time I think the lag has gone away
like if it was consistently bad I
wouldn't mind as much but even flipping
up a card is slow and painful
like that doesn't actually help me
playing that card
um
see that gives me the nine
it's probably the cards I need are all
Buried one after another which is never
a good place to be
seven
six
Jack
uh yeah if we can get a six I can then
move that pile so and free up a card
that's a good one to have
oh exactly like that
which lets me move not that one this one
oh that was that was perfect now we can
move that which gives us the three
okay okay
then uh now we just need a nine and we
can move that eight out we can move the
king
uh
uh how can I use this
here I need I need a red nine is what I
need
oh perfect
four
that one we can just play up there leave
that there play that there
uh uh
like I should have enough cards out that
I should be able to start just sending
them up to the piles like this should
not be hard like this was an easy game
Queen
there's the six the seven
uh the eight the nine
it's a lot of cars that just went up
Joker
because then I can grab I can just grab
a 10 and get that card off
that one while we're here
four
there we go all right well that was easy
enough all right
and now
let's just uh get all the cards up there
so now we can watch this the slideshow I
will take my hand off the mouse as soon
as we have it going
foreign
there we go
there it goes there we go
all right there's your slideshow
I'm just gonna keep my hand there we
know it's done restoring when it's done
backing up so how how long do you think
this is going to take we've lost a fair
bit of yours but you know given how long
this stream is going that's fine
that is impre like I think it's faster
on my 8088
all right I'm gonna go stretch my legs
while this runs
foreign
okay we are still on the Kings
all right
well no it's not going to be consistent
time because when the backup
um
when the backup is done
it'll uh it'll keep going
this is absurd to watch like this is
like when we were watching the ball to
myself watching the VOD of myself green
shift
now we can definitely fix
um we'll definitely be able to fix some
things like this has been a fun this has
been a fun night
that is excruciatingly slow to watch
all right I think it's now going to
start doing the Queens
yep there we go
like I've seen you know it it's normally
in modern versions of Windows these
stream out so fast you can't even tell
oh yes that is a nice final time
okay
yeah I mean now we now we have to
determine what is the maximum possible
Solitaire bounce like depending on the
angle of which the card shoots out how
long could this final screen take that
that sounds like a
that sounds like a video
that sounds like a video that would need
math
because I mean look how long that one
took to bounce
but here it is the system that struggles
to run solitaire
yeah you know I I feel like someone
should clip this VOD and then send it to
uh are they did the math
yeah this this needs to be an R they did
the math
well we have this entire thing of
um watching paint dry
like we do that here
this is a paint drying session
all the paint is dry
I don't know why so many people are
watching paint dry on Christmas Eve but
I'm happy to have you all or sorry
Christmas Day
oh man
it's been a good day but it has been a
long day
well the thing is that Microsoft Paint
wasn't in this version it was paintbrush
and what I like is every time the hard
drive spins the card stops because
um Cooperative multitasking adds finest
yep
yeah this queen be out of here it's like
I I'm not doing this
I appreciate you know I could really go
for a turkey leg you know I'm just
thinking what do I have I think I'm
gonna do stuffing I'm definitely going
to do stuffing when we finish this and
we'll be finishing this sooner rather
than later
because at some point s going to finish
restoring and then all the cards will
just go flying
I don't drink uh or I don't drink much
like if I if I go out I'll have a drink
but I don't drink by myself
okay it's it it's going bounce it's
going to bounce it's going to bounce
just gonna bounce the queen has bounced
repeat the queen has bounced
oh oh she's gonna go for another bounce
is she gonna go for another bounce
she's crested the ark
boink
and there as it's they're still bounds
to be had I don't think we're going to
see it in our bounce here tonight but we
could be wrong here
yeah
we are definitely seeing but I wonder
how for how many megabytes get written
per card bounce
the stupidest thing this is one of the
stupidest things I've done
okay
see here
point
and it's gone hey look there's the
there's the Jack and you wanna know
something
jacket Jack is out of here man
oh wow Jack really is out of here
yep
the animation is taking longer than the
game Dead
so wonderfully ridiculous
28 minutes of the anime I feel like we
should the thing is that you could edit
it and speed it back up
this is so
soft and I love it
I appreciate the madness that this is
foreign
I do definitely want to do some
Minecraft streams though
especially because I already have the
dungeon I've already beat the dungeon I
beat the dragon and now the space
shuttle
yeah this Isabella's curse to Solitaire
gats
this is faster than my 8088
yep
it looks like this Jack is doing the
scenic tour it's it's it's walking by
the uh the pier the uh path of its
elders
oh oh
God this is
causing me excruciatingly my
excruciating pain to watch this
like this is like part of me is dying
inside sort of thing
this this is like watching someone that
that takes like 30 seconds to go through
an intersection and then leaves you
stuck at the light
foreign
this is
I don't know if I want to play Minecraft
on these hey hey you actually it's a
little curse even for me
like I have my limits
I feel like I've heard of sarandios I
just don't know anything about it this
is
it's still going
it's still doing the card bounces
are you really sure this is only going
to take 22 minutes
because this has been going for at least
a minute if not two
yeah I mean this really is the Yule Log
I I literally feel like that someone out
there is just put their monitor in this
fireplace and it's burning
um burning down
come on Jack get out of here
you're not welcome here Jack
I actually had a multi-socketed Pentium
system but it was dead when I got it I
passed it off and they haven't been able
to get going yet
I'd use the lyrics of that song but uh
Content ID not that it really matters
come on Jack come on look look how much
time he's taking to get out of here
thank you
I mean I guess they what they have to do
is they have to have an angle that
determines the card balance and then you
just do it as simple physics like what
is the weight of a solitaire card could
we calculate the number of units
to give you the best because we'd have
to figure out the initial velocity of
the card jumping out
oh well the restore just finished
and uh
I feel slightly look oh wow that just
broke something interesting
I mean that was what it's supposed to
look like
[Laughter]
well that's fun
[Laughter]
all right I I can get behind this what
now let's let's find out if we can
restore this
all right so we've got all the files we
got the files back
now we just gotta see if we can boot it
so now we do the alt control delete
well I I know
um we've got the boot floppy in
fingers crossed
okay
please be here yes
and that just crashed the system doing
trying to do that
okay no problem
still pretty sure we can get this to
boot
I mean worst case scenario I could do a
utility
I should have tried the CIS before the
restore but you know what that's not
that's not how we roll around here
okay so now I get a bad boot sector okay
not a problem not a problem because I
was expecting this problem
okay
so this is supposed to make a boot
sector it didn't but that's fine
I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing
you know that's probably not going to do
what I think it's going to do but that's
okay
so now we're starting to the correct
version of Daws
we had it working but not really so all
right so
apparently trying to run anything just
causes the system to hang
like I can't even run I think I think my
backup is not good
yeah I think it's dead uh it's not even
spinning the hard drive I can't hear the
hard drive going
all right I'm not quite giving up on
this just yet I've got one or two more
tricks
up my sleeve
yeah I don't think this backed out
correctly I think this is all corrupted
yeah we tried all right so the next
stream we do with this machine I'm
probably just gonna have to reinstall it
we'll probably just install Millennium
Edition right off the nas we tried
we tried oh well
for for a glorious three hours we had
Windows 98 on this thing
um I think on that note
yeah like because I can't think of what
I could possibly do past this point
yeah it's all right
um
I'm gonna happen I'll have another go
with this
um not tonight I at this point I'm kind
of dead and I want to eat something
um
so
what I probably have to do is I probably
have to reformat this hard drive and I
could reinstall it off netware a lot
easier so that's what I'll do between
streams and I'll actually install second
edition when I do it
and then we'll be able to do the windows
Millennial uh Millennial Millennium
Edition install
all right I think on that note unless
anyone else has stuff to say I think
this has been an awesome stream we've
hit our goal and then some so I'm gonna
wrap it down uh make sure you're like
And subscribe and until next time this
is end Commander signing out wishing you
all a pleasant day