all right it's good to be back with you
this evening
and i want to hit some of the science
tonight
because people have the impression a lot
of people have the impression
that evolution is based on science and
then creation well that's just a
faith system well it is they're
actually both their faith system it's
just a question of whether that faith
makes sense whether it's logical
and i would argue that biblical creation
is logical it's a it's a faith system
that makes sense it's based on what god
has said in his word god has
demonstrated that the bible is his word
in many different ways
and when we examine the evidence we're
going to find that it confirms biblical
creation
now i've i had the opportunity over my
career to meet
a lot of people a lot of brilliant phd
scientists
when i was at the university of colorado
i was surrounded by phd scientists most
of them were secular most of them did
not
have a christian worldview but they were
very brilliant there's no doubt about
that
and then since then i've had the
opportunity to meet many phd
creation scientists i know a lot of them
and
brilliant people as well and so i think
it's interesting that that
there are brilliant people who believe
in evolution and there are brilliant
people who believe in biblical creation
so obviously the issue is not about
intelligence
it's not about education because again
you have phds believing in evolution you
have phds believing in creation that's
not the issue
so why do we come to very different
conclusions we have a different way of
looking at the world
because you see creationists and
evolutionists we look at the same world
we just look at it with a different
world view a different way of thinking
is like a lens through which you
understand the evidence
and of course the the person who
believes in evolution when
when he looks at the world he's thinking
in terms of
chance processes millions of years of
death and suffering leading up to all
the different
uh life forms on earth allegedly and so
when he when he comes to the fossil he's
already got
an idea about how that fits into history
he's thinking in terms of the secular
view of history and i i don't
blame him for having a world view we all
have a world view
you can't get around that but he's the
difference is
my worldview's right and this is wrong
because mine's based on
the revealed word of god in so much as
my world view is based on scripture
obviously i could be mistaken in areas
that are uh away from that when i look
at the world i think in terms of the
history that has been recorded
by eyewitnesses you realize that of
course when we talk about
you know the events of the the bible
these were witnessed
by people and they wrote them down and
we have the documents today
and we know that we we know that they're
authentic because we have
in terms of the number of manuscripts we
have of the bible the old and new
testaments in terms of the the smallness
of the time between when they were
written and when they were found
that's how you measure the authenticity
of an ancient document
do you know what the most authentic
ancient document of the ancient world is
by that standard
it's the bible nothing else comes close
to it it really is
unique and it's a revelation from god
it's not just any history book it's a
history book that claims
to have been inspired by god and
therefore is accurate and everything it
touches
and so when you pick up the bible you're
picking up a history book that tells you
the true history of the universe and and
that's how i look at the evidence and
that's how we should look at the
evidence
we shouldn't ignore history in favor of
guesswork we should use history to
understand the world around us
we like to think of it as the seven seas
of history seven words that start with c
it's a nice way to remember
uh biblical history beginning with
creation where god created the perfect
world
there was no disease or suffering or
death of any of the nephesh chi any of
the living organisms
but then the world became corrupted
because adam sinned
adam was given charge over the world and
so when he sinned
his sin affected everything that's under
his authority
we understand that sometimes we have
some leaders that
that sin they do things that are wicked
and those of us who are under their
authority
experience some of the consequences of
that that's the nature of authority
there was catastrophe god judged the
world because he's a righteous
judge and when the evil came to a point
that god said that's it
and he flooded the world and so that's
why we find a lot of the fossils that we
find today
but people and animals were saved on
board an ark the bible says
after the flood there was confusion only
about 100 years later there was the
tower of babel where people again
rebelled against god and god
scattered them by confusing their
tongues confusing their languages and we
think that's the basis for the basic
language groups that we have in the
world today
languages diversify on their own a
little bit but the root of that was
tower of babel
and then we have christ god himself
steps into history
to deal with the problem of sin he does
that on the cross he takes our place on
the cross
and then there's one step that's yet in
the future and that's the consummation
god's promised that
paradise lost will be paradise restored
that's something we all look forward to
and really that consummation it begins
when we receive christ as savior we're
we're a new creation at that point but
it's exciting to see the day when
everything will be
made new and we can only be a part of
that new creation
if we've trusted in christ otherwise
we'd ruin that new world the same way we
ruined the original
so when i look at the world i look at it
in light of biblical history
now the point this evening is not to
demonstrate
that my worldview is better than the
atheistic
worldview i do have other resources on
that the point this evening is to show
you that you can look at the evidence
in light of biblical creation and it
makes sense science confirms biblical
creation
and it does that in a number of ways
there are three branches of science i'm
going to cover briefly this evening
we'll start with genetics which is the
study of how traits are passed on from
one organism to the next
to the next information theory and maybe
you haven't heard of that one but it's
it's uh
it's really popular right now in terms
of how information is
transmitted and how it originates we'll
talk a little bit about
that and then we'll talk about geology
things like rock layers
as well as the fossils that are
contained within those rock layers
paleontology
so again i can't give you the the full
spread on any
on all of these things but i think it's
helpful for christians to know a little
bit about each of these topics
as a conversation starter that's the way
to go with it
to to get people to think about this
evidence and and to realize that
evolution maybe is not the best
explanation for it
this evidence challenges evolution but
confirms biblical creation
so let's start with genetics the study
of heredity the study of how animals
change from one generation to the next
do animals change
how about dogs for example do dogs
change do dogs change
what what do they change into dogs yeah
dogs changing the dogs but you can get
different breeds of dogs so we
understand how that works because we
understand
genetics today that's something that
i'll cover but you'll notice something
they always remain
dogs dogs have always been dogs they're
dogs now and they always will be dogs
but you can't get different breeds
there's no doubt about that
so we believe that animals change but we
believe they change within
kinds and that's something the bible
discusses in genesis 1 it has this
phrase that god created organisms after
their kind or after his kind
he includes both plants and animals
each of those reproduces it's created
after it's kind apparent that the kind
apparently is the reproductive limit of
an organism
because when god flooded the world he
took two of each kind of organism on
board
noah's ark so that would seem to be the
reproductive limit so organisms are the
same kind
if they're genuinely related and so all
dogs
are related they're all descended from
just two dogs that were on noah's ark
you can get all the different breeds
later and we'll see how that works as we
as we go along
it's important to understand that kind
is not the same thing as species
okay they're they're different uh speak
species that's a man-made
classification system the bible uses the
word kind
baramin in the original language created
kind
uh it's they are different you can get
speciation
where you can get organisms that are
different species but they are related
they're the same kind
and so for example a group of mosquitoes
gets separated from the parent
population
and lives in a different area for a
hundred years there's a process called
genetic drift where the dna
adjusts a little bit and then when
they're reintroduced they can't
interbreed with the parent population so
they're classified as a new species
but they're still mosquitoes and they
always will be unfortunately
so there you go so see i find that
evolutionists sometimes misrepresent
what it is
that creationists teach and they'll say
oh you know creationists believe that
god created every species just as we see
them today
that is not what creationists teach it's
not what the bible teaches
the bible does not teach fixity of
species
that all animals are exactly the same as
they were at creation they're not
they've changed some of them some of
them have gone extinct
we understand that i don't believe that
there were poodles in the garden of eden
because it was a paradise right
animals have changed a bit there may
have been dogs there
but uh they've changed a bit so this is
not what creationists believe it's
certainly not what the bible teaches
what we actually believe in is variation
within a kind
and some of the variations are rather
extraordinary you can get
different the different cats are all
related by the way
those the the big line that you see at
the zoo and that little that little
thing you come home and pet
they're related there was only two cats
on noah's ark and we can demonstrate
that through
uh interbreeding studies we'll we'll
come back to that a little bit later
but yes we believe that god created the
original kinds dogs
cats and so on back at creation and they
have diversified into different breeds
sometimes different species but they're
still the same kind
as they were originally and so that's
just
variation within a kind some of them
have gone extinct there are some
animals where some varieties have gone
extinct but other varieties of the same
kind remain
like elephants elephants are and
mammoths we think are part of the same
genesis kind but the mammoth variety
has gone extinct whereas there are at
least two species of elephants that
that are still extinct today two or
three
now in the evolutionary view there
really aren't kinds because in the
evolutionary view everything's related
right in evolutionists they believe that
they're related to broccoli that's their
distant cousin
and i mentioned that one time i'm not
making fun of them i mentioned it at one
time
i was speaking to a group of atheists
and i said you realize that in your view
you really you believe that broccoli is
your distant cousin
and afterwards one of them came up to me
and said you know weren't you kind of
poking fun at us for saying that we
believe are related to broccoli
i said but isn't that what you believe
he says well yeah i said well
there you go then right don't shoot the
messenger if that sounds a little
strange to you you need to reconsider
your belief don't you know don't get on
me for pointing it out i thought that's
what you believe
i don't believe we're related to
broccoli i do believe we're related to
each other we're all descended from adam
and eve
but uh the evolutionary view is that
that uh single-celled microbes
evolved somehow by chance the right
chemicals came together
and then those reproduced and some of
them over the course of time as they
reproduced their descendants became more
and more complex and led to all the
different varieties of life that we see
today that's what i mean when i
refer to evolution so there really
aren't kinds
in the evolutionary view everything's
related through common descent that was
what darwin taught
now to understand which of these views
is consistent with science we need to
know something about dna
dna is the molecule of heredity it is a
very long
molecular structure that exists in the
cells of your body
it looks kind of like a twisted ladder
and on the rungs of this ladder
are our nucleotide base pairs nucleotide
base pairs and there are four different
varieties of nucleotide base pairs and
they're abbreviated by the four letters
that you see there
c g a and t and the c's on one strand
always group with the g's on the other
and the and the a's on one strand always
group with the t's
on the other but the order in which that
happens
it can be any order you might have a c
followed by a t and then a g and then an
a and
whatever so it's a four letter alphabet
and it spells out the information to
make
u which is awesome you can think of it a
bit like beads on a rope you could spell
help
in morse code with beads on a rope if
you if you knew
morse code you could do that and in the
same way dna has the information to make
you
and so there are sections of your dna
that that instruct how to make
eyeballs and how to make hair and how to
make you know the various organs of your
body
it's amazing you've got about three
billion of these base pairs
on a strand of dna and you have two
uh complete copies of your dna you get
one from dad you get one from mom
they have two copies of dna they got it
from their parents and so on all the way
back to adam and eve and they got their
two copies from god
so uh if and it's i love the way this
works it's absolutely ingenious because
god
was able to build in an enormous amount
of variation of features that human
beings have in terms of different
color eyes and different shades of skin
and so on
that's a very good thing and it's
something that god built into adam and
eve
because it's the combination of those tr
of those genes
those sections of dna that determines
what traits you have
and so a gene is just a section of a of
dna that codes for
a trait and so for example uh when when
mom and dad when they have children
only each each child only gets half
of the dna instructions from each parent
so they they end up with a complete
set of dna as well so and you don't know
in advance which of the genes they're
going to get so they might get that one
from dad that one from mom
and uh and that's what builds up the the
child and so they have a unique
combination
and so you might notice you look a
little bit like your dad a little bit
like your mom that's because you got
your genes from them
but you also have features maybe that
they don't have because you have a
combination of dna that they don't have
each one of you has a unique combination
of dna unless you have an identical twin
and so that's why you can have all this
different variety in human beings it's
quite amazing it's
it's ingenious really uh god packing all
that information all the all the traits
that that we have
in this room the information was in adam
and eve that's kind of neat
uh here it is with blood type and maybe
you covered this in uh
high school but uh genes and blood type
here's how it works so
sometimes you have genes that are
dominant and recessive
and a dominant gene will cover up a
recessive gene so if there's a
combination the dominant one wins
and so for example if you're if you have
an a
gene from dad and an a gene from mom
your blood type will be a
that's easy if you have an a gene from
dad and an o gene from mom your blood
type's still a because a is dominant o
is recessive
if you have a b from one player and an o
from the other your blood types b if you
have
a and b your blood types a b because
they're both they're co-dominant
and then the only way you can have blood
type o is to have two o genes
and so that's that's blood type and nut
shell those are the four types of blood
that human beings have
and the interesting thing is if if mom
has blood type a
and it's what we call the heterozygous a
meaning you have an a and an o
and dad has heterozygous type b the
children can have any possible blood
type
because they could get the a gene the a
allele from
mom and then the b allele from or the o
allele from dad their blood type would
be a
they could get uh the b from dad the o
from mom or blood type speed they could
get the a from mom the b from dad their
blood types a b
or they could get uh o from mom o from
dad to blood types o
so i guess it's interesting because mom
has blood type a dad has blood type b
one child might have blood type o and he
said am i adopted no you're not adopted
you got the information
from your mom and dad you just have a
unique combination of traits
and so that's that's how it works with
eye color and so at least eight genes
involved in eye color
it's the same way it works with skin
shade people make a big deal about you
know there's these different races of
people no there's not there's one race
of people human beings
and it's just different variations that
god has put in the information in our in
our dna
this is simplified a little bit but
basically uh skin
shade and we talk about skin color it's
really skin shade because we all have
the same skin color
brown it's just a question of how much
how much do you have
because there's a pigment called melanin
there's a couple different forms of it
there's a gray form and kind of a
yellowish form
but if you have a lot of this pigment
you tend to have very dark skin
and if the pigment is well distributed
and so in the
in the upper left box that you see there
people in that
category have very dark skin those that
are in the bottom right box have very
light skin
now if you're in that bottom right box
and you have all lowercase letters and
you get married to somebody that's in
that white box they have lowercase
letters
their kids are going to have lowercase
letters your kids are going to be very
light skinned as well
you can see how that that's the only
possibility but suppose you're in that
upper right box
where you have big a little a big b
little b and you get married to somebody
in that upper right box
big a little a big b little b the
children could have any possible skin
shade
in one generation so we think adam and
eve probably were a middle brown
and their children could have had any
skin shade from very dark to very light
and that was the norm for the world
until people started segregating
themselves really there's still places
in the world today where you at the same
dinner table you can have people that
are very light skinned and dark-skinned
your brother and sister play certain
places in india for example where that's
very very common
we're going to talk about dogs because
there's a lot of variations that god has
built into the dog
kind and i like dogs too so there's that
but
you can get these different variations
in in fur length and so on
and it's all built into the information
that god built in the original
dogs the original dogs that he created
back in the creation week
so we all have this information these
instructions in our dna
now we think we have things like
microbes bacteria they have some
instructions in their dna
a horse has some instructions in its dna
it actually has a lot more instructions
in its dna apparently a horse is a more
complicated
animal than a bacterium they're both
complicated
if you think a bacterium is simple i'd
like to see you build one
i'm just saying they're they're not
simple but a horse is more complex a
horse is multicellular and its cells are
specialized they do different things
it has instructions in its dna that
bacteria lack
right because a horse has instructions
to make eyeballs bacteria do not have
that information in their dna and
therefore they can't make eyeballs
a horse has information for hooves and
for bones and
d and bacteria don't have that
information okay now
if bacteria eventually evolved
into horses or microbes some kind of
microbes evolved into horses which is
what evolutionists believe
then obviously at some point they had to
gain those instructions
right you start with a microbe that
doesn't have instructions for
bones and and eyeballs and
feet and so on and you end up with an
organism that does have that information
at some point it had to gain information
and so it seems to me that evolution if
it's going to work at all
there has to be a process to increase
the information
in your dna does that make sense yeah
because you can't even get out of the
water if if if you're losing information
that's not gonna that's not gonna work
and i think it's very interesting
because most of the examples in fact
pretty much all of the examples
that people cite of evolution in action
are actually reducing
the information in your dna they're not
increasing it they're in the wrong
direction
to make evolution happen it'd be more
like a horse becoming bacteria
than the other way around so if you're
not increasing
information it's not evolution not in
the darwinian sense
one process uh that exhibits this
in particular is natural selection a lot
of people think that natural selection
is evolution it's not it's actually the
opposite when you understand it
natural selection is a true principle in
fact there was a creationist who wrote
about it people think darwin came up
with natural selection i think he
invented the term but not the idea
edward blythe who was a creationist who
preceded darwin by at least 20 years
wrote about what we would call natural
selection it's a creationist idea
so but what is natural selection well
let's consider this consider suppose you
have two dogs
and suppose they have one gene for short
fur and a gene for long fur and suppose
those genes have a combined effect
and so these dogs have medium length fur
now this is simplified but the basic
genetic principles here are true
and so those dogs fall in love and they
have
they have offspring now some of the pups
will get the short gene from mom the
short gene from dad and they will have
short fur right and then some of the
dogs will get
the short gene from one parent the long
gene from the other and they'll have
medium length for just like their
parents
statistically fifty percent of the
population will have that combination
and then one fourth of the offspring
statistically we'll get the long gene
from mom the long gene from dad and
they'll have very long
fur and now already you can see
variation within a kind
right i mean there's no evolution so far
because we started with dogs we ended up
with dogs
that's not evolution that's just dogs
right
and we haven't we haven't increased any
information we started out with
information for short
long and by combination medium and we
ended up with those varieties expressed
same information is present in the in
the population
so no evolution so far oh but let's
suppose that the environment gets very
very cold
and so what happens is the dogs that
have the shorter and the medium length
fur they don't do so well in that cold
environment
right and so sadly they die very sad
or at least they they don't survive as
well as the dogs that are that are
insulated sometimes natural selection
doesn't result in death it just results
in
fewer members of that particular group
but any case the dogs that do
very well in a cold environment are the
ones that have the long fur
and they find other dogs and they fall
in love
and they have pups now this time what's
going to happen is
all the pups are going to have long fur
because you see that's the only
combination that's left
and so those other varieties have
disappeared they have traits that are
not conducive to survival that is these
other varieties the short-haired and
medium-haired dogs have traits that are
not conducive to survival in a cold
environment
and so they have a greater tendency to
be wiped out in that environment the
dogs that survive are the ones that are
well suited to it
and so pretty soon you find all the dogs
that live in that cold area
they all have long they have a long fur
is this evolution no it's the opposite
of evolution because we haven't gained
any new information we started with
information for long
short and by combination medium and we
ended up with information
just for long the information's actually
been reduced
that's interesting if the environment
got hot would they go back to having
short or medium length fur
no because they're dead right the ones
that had the the short
gene they're gone and so these these
dogs would just die out unless there
were a few that you know migrated in
from a different area or something now
if we started the experiment over
and this time let's say the environment
gets we have so we have all three
varieties and this time the environment
gets very hot
this time the dogs with the longer fur
they don't do so well in a hot
environment and so sadly they die but
the dogs that have the shorter fur
they do perfectly well in a warm
environment they're able to dissipate
heat better
and so they find other dogs that have
survived and they reproduce and pretty
soon all the dogs have short fur because
if they didn't they're dead
again this is not evolution now it is an
example of natural selection
it's a great example of adaptation the
environment changed and the dogs
as as a as a kind as a group of
organisms
their traits shifted to be favorable to
that environment
but it's not evolution because we
haven't gained any new information at
all
in fact we've lost information natural
selection is the opposite
of evolution it's sort of ironic that
darwin thought it could power evolution
when in fact it's the opposite
but he didn't know about things like dna
and genes
so this is why we find that dogs as they
spread out in the world
those that end up in the cold climates
tend to have the longer fur those who
end up in the hot climates tend to have
the shorter fur if they didn't they
would die
now dogs of course are a mobile creature
so they might have the intelligence to
kind of go
to an environment that is suitable to
them but plants for example that you can
find the same with plants and they can't
move they're kind of stuck wherever they
wherever they land and if they're not
suitable that environment plant dies
so organisms are well suited to their
environment god has placed in them
the potential for lots of different
varieties and so you see you don't need
two of each different breed of dogs on
board noah's ark you just need two dogs
that's all you need and they get off
of noah's ark and they spread out and
they and they they carry different
traits with them and they spread out to
different parts of the world carrying
certain combinations
and if the combinations lead the traits
that are suitable to survival in that
environment they survive and reproduce
if they don't have traits suitable to
that environment they tend to perish
and so this is why we find that in wild
dogs
you find they're well suited to their
environment god gave that ability to the
dog
kind to diversify and so there you go
that's that's the different varieties of
wild dogs that we find in the world
they're all well suited to their
environment
and there are certain traits that can
get locked in too that don't really have
any survival value one way or the other
like the eye color that doesn't have a
huge impact on survival
but you know a group that goes this way
just they all happen to have genes for
blue eyes or whatever so that can get
locked into that's
genetic drift is what that's called
but evolutionists say oh but dr lyle
it's not just natural selection it's
natural selection and mutations
so let's talk about mutations a mutation
is a mistake
in your dna your dna actually has the
ability
well the cells in your body have the
ability to replicate that dna
and that's necessary for uh for our body
to replenish itself and so on but also
when you have children
to pass that information on a mutation
could be the result of a copying mistake
the process by which the genes in your
dna are copied to the new strand is
brilliant
it's ingenious but it's not a hundred
percent accurate
uh but god knowing that there's actually
a mechanism that will correct most
mutations
interestingly you actually have a spell
checker in your dna
which it's amazing and but in any case
every now and then because of sin and
the curse we no longer live in a perfect
world and so every now and then a
mistake occurs in your dna
and some instructions are lost or
they're scrambled
and so for example dogs all dogs should
have information for four normal healthy
legs they have certain instructions that
make those legs
but due to mutations there's some
copying mistakes and they end up with
occasionally end up with a dog with
short stubby little legs and
because he's missing some instructions
that's what a mutation
does and if you think about it a dog
like that
on the on the right over there he's not
going to do very well in the wild is he
because he with his short stubby little
legs he can't run very fast he can't
catch anything nor can he escape
something that's trying to catch him
so he's not going to have a lot of luck
in the in the wild
and so if you think about it natural
selection
to some extent will tend to weed out
mutations a little bit
some mutations are immediately fatal you
get it and your heart doesn't form
properly and you're dead
and that that that mutation is not
passed on right
it can't be because the the organism
dies
but uh it but the thing with dogs is
some people like dogs that have short
stubby little legs because they can't
jump up on you as much
and so people will take these dogs and
they will care for them
and give them food and water and these
dogs don't have to survive in the wild
because they have a human caretaker that
can that can deal with their
their problems and so they take these
dogs and they're breeding with other
dogs and you end up with lots of dogs
with short stubby little eggs
that's how that happens and that's why
domestic breeds of dogs tend to be full
of mutations
they really are and that's why you got
to spend millions of dollars on them
trying to keep them alive
because they're missing some
instructions that make it hard for them
to survive otherwise they couldn't
survive in the wild a lot of them
couldn't
there's a mutation that causes the dog's
snout not to form properly a dog's
supposed to have a long snout and that
helps with their ability to to smell and
so on
but there's a mutation that causes the
snout to be short but the jaw was
designed to fit the longer snout so they
have a horrible
underbite and the skin was designed to
fit the longest now it hangs off the
side some people think that's cute you
think the dog says gee i love having my
nose stuffed into my face that's great
you may not enjoy it so much
poodles have some problems and uh
i'm not anti-poodle they're very cute
but they do have some problems because
they have mutations that have
accumulated
in their dna and so these are some
diseases they can get either as a direct
result of a mutation or as a secondary
effect
one of the mutations in poodles that i
find interesting is that their hair
grows
forever a dog's hair is supposed to grow
so long and it falls out and that
regulates the hair growth
with a poodle that gene has been damaged
and so their hair grows indefinitely
which is why every now and then you've
got to give your poodle a haircut you
got to
now that can cause if you don't it can
cause problems because it can get in
their eyes the hair can get in their
eyes and they can cause an infection
they can go blind it can get in their
ears
and cause problems there they get
infections some of these infections can
kill them
and if you think about it a dog like
that there's no way a poodle could
survive in the wild
because it needs a haircut every now and
then i mean after a while it'd just be a
big poof ball and there's no way it
could survive
so that's why it needs a human caretaker
to to give it a haircut every now and
then and to protect it from some of
these uh
problems that are due to a loss of
information
and so you see this is an evolution it's
not like we're generating a new
kind of organism here we've just removed
some instructions and as a result
this little animal has some problems so
that's how we account for the different
breeds of domestic dogs
it's simply the genetic instructions
that god put in their dna
and mutations mistakes that have come in
removed little bits of that information
and so domestic breeds tend to have some
problems but it's not evolution because
it's in the opposite direction
evolution's about increasing information
the the different breeds of dogs
domestic dogs
is a result of loss of information we
think the dogs that came off noah's ark
were like
very much like the wolf kind wolf still
have a great deal of what we call
heterozygosity big a little a big b
little b
but by selectively breeding them and
through
uh mutations where you lose information
and then but it's it generates a trait
that people like the dog might not like
it but the people like it
and you interbreed those you get all the
way down to the poodle but it's not
and it's not a new and improved animal
it's kind of the bottom of the line
actually really i mean you start with
the more wild kinds of dogs
when i'm explaining this to kids i say
you know it's the dna information or
dnas like jelly beans you start out with
the wild kinds of dogs lots of
information lots of possibilities
and then through br you know then you
breed them and you get down and down
until you get the poodle
and then he's got kind of the minimum
amount of information it needs to
to be a dog so
a friend of mine who actually has a
poodle or a similar dog he says that
that
poodles are kind of like if you think of
cars you know you can think of the wolf
as being kind of like
the rolls-royce and it's got all these
extra features on it windshield wipers
for the headlights and we don't really
need that but it's just a
kind of a bonus feature whereas a poodle
is more like a kia
it's kind of the bottom of the line you
remove one part from a kia it doesn't
work anymore
it's because it's got the bare minimum
information there
now could you turn a dog into a cat by
removing jelly beans no
cat has different information in its dna
they say oh but some of the instructions
are the same that's true
because we use some we you know we use
some of the same proteins
that's really important because it means
we can eat similar
foods and gain nutrients from them so
yes there are similarities but there are
a lot of differences and you can't get
those changes those different set of
instructions by simply removing
instructions and that's all natural
selection and mutations do is remove
instructions
so when we take a look at dogs and see
how they reproduce this is good
observational science it's something we
can
test in the present we find it's
consistent with god having created the
original kinds and they've diversified
since
it's not consistent with the
evolutionary notion that organisms gain
information
over time we do not observe that
i should point out that mutations can be
beneficial in certain circumstances
but it's still by losing information
there are some cases where you can lose
some instructions
and under certain conditions that can
actually help you survive
i'll give one example here antibiotic
resistance because evolutionists say oh
this is evolution in action and you know
bacteria can become resistant to
antibiotics
but if you understand why you'd realize
it's not evolution at all
first of all they haven't they're still
bacteria they haven't changed into a new
organism
and they've lost some instructions it's
just that in that situation it actually
helps them
there's a bacterium called h pylori that
causes stomach ulcers
and you go to your doctor and he gives
you an antibiotic now an antibiotic
which is harmless to you
goes into the uh the h blurrie and he's
got an enzyme in him that breaks down it
when it interacts with an antibiotic it
turns it into a poison and the poison
kills the bacterium
and you feel better until you get your
medical bill
there is a mutated form of h pylori
that is missing the instructions to
produce that chemical
and so when the antibiotic goes into him
it just sits there because he lacks the
ability
to convert it into the poison that would
kill him and so they actually survive
but they survive because they're missing
some instructions they can't produce
that
that reactant or at least not very much
of it they can produce a little bit but
not very much
and so that's by the way that's why you
need to take all of your antibiotic even
after you're feeling better
because you've killed the normal variety
but there's a few of these mutants
going around and you need to continue to
take the antibiotic because eventually
it'll kill them too they do have a
little bit of that
uh chemical but if you don't do that
then if you just when you you know
start to feel better you go off your
antibiotic then the mutant form
they reproduce and now you get a form
that's harder to kill by antibiotics
but you see the it's not that they've
gained superpowers or anything like that
it's just they they're resistant to
antibiotics because they've lost some
information they've lost the ability to
produce an enzyme that is part of their
normal system
and they don't compete well with
bacteria outside of an environment
that's full of antibiotics
dr lee spentner's phds in biophysics
says all point mutations that have been
studied on the molecular level turn out
to reduce the genetic information not to
increase it
he says not even one mutation has been
observed that adds a little information
to the genome
there are different types of mutations
there's a mutation that can cause a
section of dna to get duplicated
so you have more dna but do you have
more information
no it'd be like a you know in a
newspaper if a paragraph accidentally
got duplicated
could you learn anything new from the
second paragraph you couldn't learn from
the original
there's no new information in there just
longer so
uh mutations and natural selection are
not evolution they're they're in the
opposite direction this is good
observational science it's consistent
with what we see today
and it's consistent with biblical
creation with god putting that original
information
in the original organisms and they've
lost some sense
we haven't gained any new information
we've been talking about information
there's a whole branch of science that
deals with information
theory and
first of all i think we should define
what information is there's different
definitions but the one that we would
like to use for information theory to
make it a
good science it would be defined by at
least three criteria first of all
information always entails a symbolic
code system
and so if i pick up a book and i see the
word
lion i'm not actually seeing a lion i'm
seeing a word and that word represents
uh you know a living animal but i
understand that there's a code system
there it's it's
not actually a picture of the line it's
a symbol it's symbolic
there's language the books that i read
are english
but there are other languages of course
which means there's a grammar there's
syntax the words
are in a particular order these these
symbolic codes are in a particular order
that makes sense
it conveys an idea and then finally
there's meaning
i could learn something by reading this
there's an expected action
and an intended purpose when when you
read when we read information there's
a reason why it was written and it's
expected that we'll act on that if
it's a cookbook for example the um the
purpose
is so we could have something to eat and
the expected action is that i'll combine
the ingredients and the way the cookbook
says so a cookbook qualifies as
information
how about this could this be information
does it fulfill our three criteria is it
a symbolic code system
it looks like it is is there
is there a language convention is there
a syntax and grammar
well the way it's organized in lines
should suggest you that it probably is
but is there meaning that's the tricky
one and the only way to know that's to
decode it
but fortunately i know the code and this
is in fact information
because it conveys meaningful
information it's actually genesis 1 1
through 5.
in the beginning that's the clipboard
there in the beginning like the
beginning of a movie in the beginning
god created the heaven and the earth
and the earth was without form and void
and darkness was over the deep the
spirit of god was hovering over the
waters
and god so let there be light and there
was light god saw the light was good
isn't that neat it's a genesis in the
form of
icons kind of neat so there is
information there
now whenever you find information there
are certain laws of nature that apply to
it
just like when you have energy there's
the law of conservation of energy which
says you can't create or destroy
energy so information has its set of
laws that go with it too
and one of the laws of nature is that
one of the laws of information theory is
that information does not come about by
a random process
there is no known law of nature no known
process and no known sequence of events
which can cause information to originate
by itself
in matter according to dr werner get one
of the world's experts on information
theory and he's got a book called in the
beginning was information it's a very
good book
i recommend it he says when its progress
along the chain of transmission events
is traced backwards every piece of
information leads to a mental source
the mind of the sender according to dr
get it is the law of nature that
whenever you find information
and you and you it may have been copied
by a process that's non-intelligent
a xerox machine can copy information so
can a computer
but the origin of that information is
always a mind
always and you sort of know that if you
pick up a book
and it's got useful information in it
you probably wouldn't conclude that well
this came from an explosion and a
typewriter
right that'd be silly you know that
somebody wrote the book maybe not that
particular copy
i mean that you know somebody didn't
hand write that particular book it was
made by a machine that makes lots of it
lots of those books simultaneously but
where did it gets information
probably from a computer where do they
get its information another computer
there's been a chain of transmission
events but when you trace it backwards
it'll go back to a mind
somebody wrote it that's obvious isn't
it
and yet what do we find in dna
information
oh where did you get the information in
your dna it was copied from
your parents they got it from their
parents it's a chemical process
that copies it the chemicals themselves
are not intelligent they're like a xerox
machine they're just copying that
information
back and back and back from their
parents from their parents all the way
back to adam and eve who got it from
the mind of god oh information theory is
consistent with biblical creation
but it's not consistent with evolution
because in the evolutionary view that
information is supposed to
gradually accumulated over time but
we've never seen that
we've never seen information just
spontaneously form
in matter it appears that would be a
violation of the law of nature
and you know what in their heart of
hearts people know that people know that
information doesn't come about by chance
they know it comes from a mind
and i know that because i did a little
social experiment years ago
uh there i posted this article on the
website
called on the origin of articles which
is a play on
darwin's you know on the origin of
species and if you read this article it
tries to convince you
that articles do not have authors but
they're a result of a collection of
typos that have accumulated
over millions of years articles probably
started out as a single letter
and then gradually you know they became
words and
sentences and granted you know these is
all caused by copying mistakes
and granted most of those copying
mistakes would make the article worse
but those ones get thrown out
you see it's the ones that make the
article better
that get passed on and so eventually
articles become longer and better
and that's how all or articles originate
it was a fun thing to do but what was
even more fun was when i started getting
responses to this
because the evolutionists chimed and
they say well we know you wrote this dr
lyle and i said how did did you see me
write it
no oh you're taking on faith oh that's
interesting
oh but but we could check the ip address
and see you posted it i admit to posting
it when this thing evolved on my
computer i couldn't help but share it
right but but they started making
excuses and it was fun for me to
play the evolutionist and say oh you
know what's what's wrong with you are
you one of those
authorists that believes in authors i
mean if you want to believe that fine
but keep in church man
and it was it was fun now any one of
them could have refuted me all they
would have to say
is we know that you or somebody wrote
that article because it has
information in it not one of them made
that argument you know why
they'd have to give up evolution
there's programs like seti that listen
for signals from space intelligent
signals from space
search for extraterrestrial intelligence
they haven't found any i don't think
they will
but there are lots of radio signals in
space the sun gives off radio
it sounds like static i've listened to
it it's
not enjoyable but you know there are
pulsars that give off radio signals and
it's like a pi
just a repeated string with all these
natural radio signals
how can these astronomers distinguish a
signal that comes from an intelligent
alien species from all these natural
signals and the
the answer is a signal from an alien
intelligence would have
information in it isn't that interesting
the whole program is predicated on that
and yet those same scientists when they
look through the
microscope you know they look at dna all
that there's no intelligence there that
just happened
inconsistent what about geology so let's
talk a little about about rocks and the
fossils within them
and the first thing we have to deal with
is this little myth that that rocks
or hundreds of millions of years old and
we've been taught that we've been taught
that radiometric dating
proves that so i want to talk a little
bit about that process radiometric
dating how it works
there are certain atoms we're all made
of atoms protons neutrons electrons
circling around there
and most atoms are what we call stable
meaning they'll remain the same kind of
atom forever
but there are a small number of atoms
that are radioactive
or unstable and what that means is they
will spawn
they will spontaneously change into
another type of atom
you don't have to do anything they do it
on their own for example uranium-238
is unstable it's radioactive it'll sit
there for a while being perfectly happy
uranium-238 and then poof it'll it it'll
eject
a helium nucleus and turn into thorium
it just happens for certain atoms
particularly some of the heavier
uh elements and thorium is also
radioactive or unstable and so it'll sit
there for a little while and then poof
it'll one of the uh
one of the neutrons will eject an
electron and become a proton and so it
changes into
this this next atom which changes in the
next all the way down to lead 206. now
lead 206 is stable
so once it once it hits there it'll lead
206 will stay led to a 6
forever it's not radioactive and this
process takes time
now for any given atom we don't know
when it's going to pop and change into
the next one
but you have a large sample of them
statistically you know that after a
certain period of time a certain
fraction of them will have changed
it's kind of like a popcorn when you're
popping the popcorn you don't know which
kernel's going to pop next right it
could be that one and then oh then that
one and then that one and
but you do know that after about two
minutes you're done if they're going to
pop they've popped
it's the same way with this we we don't
know when any individual atom is going
to change but we do know that
statistically
after a certain amount of time so many
of them will have changed
and for uranium to go down to lead
statistically it takes a very long time
for a significant fraction of that
uranium to change to lead because we
know
over the course of measuring it that
just a little bit changes in a year
and so for for like half of it to change
all the way to lead it would take
theoretically billions of years
and so the idea is you can use this like
a clock because we find rocks that have
uranium in them including uranium-238
and so the idea but they also have lead
in them and so the idea is is
if you had a chunk of solid uranium and
you waited for a while
eventually it would be part uranium part
lead part intermediate elements
too and then eventually it'd be all lead
that just naturally happens
and it theoretically would take billions
of years for uranium to completely
become lead
and so the idea is you find a rock
that's got some uranium some lead in it
and you use that knowing the rate at
which the uranium changes
and you figure out when it was all uh
when it was all uranium
if it was all uranium how do you know it
didn't start with some lead
that's the thing we need to remember you
see you can think of the
lead or the uranium turning into lead
like
sand going through an hourglass uranium
is the top chamber the lead's the bottom
chamber it one naturally flows into the
other
okay and if and if you came in here and
i had an hourglass and it was halfway
through
i said how long ago do you think i
turned that over he said well that's
easy dr lau it's an hourglass
about halfway through i'd say about a
half an hour i said i gotcha i turned it
over only one minute ago but already a
lot of the sand was in the bottom
chamber
you see you can't assume that all the
sand is in the top chamber to begin with
and by the same token you can't assume
the rock was 100
uranium to begin with it might have had
some lead in it to begin with
and by the way secularists do not assume
that the rock was pure uranium when it
started
they assumed it had some lead in it how
much lead did it start with
you tell me how old you want the rock to
be i'll tell you how much lead it
started with
you see there's an issue there and
they're aware of that and they've got
ways to try and deal with that i'm not
trying to sell them short but there are
assumptions that are made
when you assume that just because half
the sand's in the bottom chamber
it's a half an hour how do you know
somebody wasn't adding sand when you
weren't looking
uranium is leachable in salt water it
can move in and out of a rock
it's not a it's not a closed system how
do you know the throat of the bottle has
always been the same size
that's probably a pretty good assumption
for an hourglass we can't imagine how
that could be too much different
but we don't know that the rate at which
uranium changes into lead has always
been what it is today
it might have been different in the past
in fact there's good evidence that it
was
and so my point is that all these these
radiometric dating
methods there they all rely on
assumptions
assumptions about the initial conditions
how much uranium and lead there was to
begin with
they assume that the decay rate is
constant we now have very compelling
evidence that it's not
and that the system is closed and in
most cases it isn't
and so that's why you get all kinds of
rather crazy results when you do these
things
and and by the way we've dated rocks
from mount st helens
and radiometric dating is supposed to
tell you when the rock hardened that's
that
sets the zero point on the clock okay
and so these are brand new rocks mount
st helens erupted in 1980 there were
some
follow-up eruptions we took rocks that
were brand new
from that eruption and sent them in and
had them radiometrically dated which
would normally be a ridiculous thing to
do because it's expensive and we know
when these rocks form because we saw
them form
but we wanted to know if the method was
reliable and you know they came back
with estimated ages of hundreds of
thousands to millions of years
on rocks that are brand new you see
that's an isolated incident it's not
if you go to hawaii and take a rock from
hawaii send it in and have it dated
you'll get millions of years
very consistently so
radiometric dating has been demonstrated
to not work
on rocks of known age and yet
secularists assume it works on rocks of
unknown age
now i don't think that's very scientific
what about carbon dating similar process
but with carbon dating that
the time scale is much shorter uh most
carbon is c12 because it's got six
protons and six neutrons in the nucleus
there's a variety of carbon called c14
it's produced in the upper atmosphere as
cosmic rays bombard nitrogen atoms
convert them into
c14 and then c14 will gradually decay
back into nitrogen it has a half-life of
5700 years so if you have a chunk of
solid c14
you wait 5700 years half of it will have
decayed into nitrogen
now uh you all have a little bit of c14
in you because you see
we breathe that air the plants take in
the carb the carbon dioxide in the air
and a small fraction of that one atom in
a trillion
is c14 and then the animals eat the
plants
or we eat the plants or we eat the
animals that ate the plants either way
you're getting that c14 in you
so all of you have a little c14 and
you're you're all just a little bit
unstable
how about that now when
when an organism uh is alive that c14 is
decaying back into nitrogen
but you're eating new food and you're
replacing it so the c14
to c12 ratio in you is about the same as
is in the external environment until you
die but when you die
you're not eating you're not breathing
you're not taking in any new c14 and so
the c14 simply decays away
and so you know while you're living the
c14 remains constant
until you die and then it decays
decays down and so the idea with carbon
dating
is you can use it to tell how long ago
something died and it's
it's neat it's a clever idea and the
interesting thing is it tends to give
answers that are pretty consistent with
the biblical time scale now it's based
on assumptions too
but when with carbon dating when we test
it on things of known age it tends to
give sensible answers
it tends to give it tends to give the
right answer not always not 100 of the
time
but often and the interesting thing is
we've even tested it on things like
diamonds diamonds in the evolutionists
view are supposed to be one to two
billion years old
but you know what we found c14 in them
c14
the half-life's 5700 years
in fact if the entire earth were nothing
but c14 after one million years you'd
not have
one atom of it left it decays too
quickly and yet we find it in diamonds
that are supposed to be billions of
years old they can't be anywhere close
to that this demonstrates that these
diamonds are
are much much younger they're thousands
of years old it's consistent with the
biblical time scale
because the bible's clear that god
created in six days and that was a few
thousand years ago it's not the earth's
not billions of years old as we've been
taught as we've been led to believe
and there are hundreds of physical
processes that limit the age of the
earth to much less
than the secular time scale and we see
the secularists need the billions of
years to make evolution sound
plausible not that it really would be
anyway but they need that
and but you look at the evidence and
it's consistent with a much younger
time scale one at one example the rate
at which salt flows into the ocean
even fresh water has a little bit of
salt in it it picks it up from the
continents dumps it into the ocean the
water evaporates but it leaves the salt
and so the oceans are getting saltier
and saltier every year by a little bit
you have 450 million tons of salt that's
pumped into the ocean every year
and doesn't leave so the salinity of the
oceans has gone up since creation
you can get rid of a little bit of the
salt with salt sprays and stuff like
that but only 27
maximum and if you if you do the math
and you figure out how long ago
could the oceans have existed maximum
age of 62 million years and it sounds
like a lot but that's assuming the
oceans started this fresh water
which we don't think they did if they
started as salt water they'd be much
much younger than 62 million years
but in the secular view oceans are
supposed to be 3 billion years old
so you see it's a problem because the
evidence indicates they can't be more
than 62 million years old
and so that's consistent with the
biblical time scale because
6 000 is less than 62 million but 3
billion isn't
the rate at which mud accumulates on the
ocean floor
you have about 20 billion tons of mud
accumulating on the ocean floor every
year
it builds up you can get rid of a little
bit with plate subduction
tectonics but the rest of it just builds
up how long does it take to get the
current amount of mud on the ocean floor
less than 12 million years and that's
assuming there was no worldwide flood
which would dump a lot of mud on the
ocean floor very quickly obviously
so again that limits the age to much
less than
12 million years now creation is
consistent with that
creation about six thousand years for
the age of the earth
secular view about three billion years
not consistent with the data is not
consistent with the secular worldview
human population i just recently redid
this calculation just
to check it but human populat there's no
way human beings go back
you know 100 000 years as the
secularists like to think uh we have
records at least estimates of world
population over time we can we can do
the math on that
human beings go back to the it fits in
with the biblical time scale of about 6
000 years
it's wildly inconsistent with the
secular time scale where you try to push
it back to 30
000 or 100 000 or even a million years
it's unrealistic
but the best evidence for the age of the
earth
is that we have the record we have the
birth certificate of the universe god
tells us he made in six days
it's clear from context those are
ordinary earth rotations each one bound
by an evening in the morning
it's the basis for our work week
according to exodus 2011.
that's the best evidence
see the secularists like to come along
and say the earth's billions of years
old take my word for it but
god says i created in six days take my
word for it
and he was the only one that was there
so if you think about it what about
these fossils that we find
and we do find fossils all over the
world here's a fossil ichthyosaur this
is a marine
reptile uh thought to be extinct today
at least we haven't found any living
i always had the impression that fossils
took millions of years to form
uh well this this organism whatever
happened to him happened quickly or
actually to her
because she's giving birth you see the
baby ichthyosaur being born
there they're born tail first because
they're air breathers
god thought about that you know they're
not born like other creatures where the
head comes out first the tail comes out
first
because as soon as they're born they
have to swim to the surface and get
their first breath of air
that's a neat design feature i wonder
how long evolution took to figure that
out needed to turn it around
nah that's not going to work not going
to work there's a
in the lower section there there's a
fish that's buried in the process of
eating another fish
now i don't think that took millions of
years whatever happened to them happened
quickly
i mean the thing was the ichthyosaur was
buried killed
buried in the process of giving birth
it's fossilized now
see people think that you know things
die and then they slowly become a fossil
over millions of years
most things don't become a fossil at all
and
let's do a little thought experiment
here and i've been picking on dogs we'll
pick on cats now so let's do an
experiment on our dead cat earl we're
going to watch him slowly fossilize
over millions of years right so don't
touch we leave it alone here we want to
wait a little while
well what did we end up with day three
is a very smelly dead cat on the grass
and on day nine you end up with a very
smelly dead cat on the grass
and on day 20 parts of earl are missing
and on day 38 more of earl is missing
and on day 65 rules missing
and you you know that because we've seen
animals that have been killed and left
on the side of the road
they don't just gradually turn into
statues
that's not what happens they they're
gone after a while they get picked off
by other animals scavengers
they they decay they're recycled back
into the environment
you see in order to get a fossil you
have to bury something
and even then i was given the wrong idea
that you know the fish dies it sinks
down to the bottom and then over you
know
and it's slowly over millions of years
covered with sediment one layer after
the next no
now wait a minute if it took millions of
years for the sediment to be deposited
then why didn't the fish decay right you
have to bury something rapidly
to get it to fossilize i mean if it's
just partly buried for millions of years
the top part would decay
be picked off by scavengers most fish
float when they
die anyway so if that's not going to
work
that's not how you form a fossil fish if
you really want to form a fossil fish
here's how you do it you go home to your
aquarium
and you dump some concrete in there
this is still legal in colorado i'm not
sure about here
that's going to bury him it's going to
kill him it's going to bury him
immediately
usually there's enough bacteria left
that they have they they have the
ability to eat away at the
soft tissue of the fish because it's
dead now
but the bones per mineralize the
minerals move in and fill in the holes
in the bone that's what a fossil is it's
a
stone that looks like a bone because
it's it's been pre-mineralized
and that's how you form a fossil it
doesn't take millions of years
we can do it in a laboratory in you know
days it doesn't take long it just takes
the right conditions it takes flood
conditions
to do that what about the kinds of
fossils that we find do they illustrate
evolution
because you'll see pictures in textbooks
you know the evolution of the horse
and you know of course we have no idea
what the i mean they have the stripes on
and everything we don't know what the
skin looked like but we didn't know what
the bones looked like
and it looks that looks pretty
convincing you got that little horse
evolving into a big one but but wait a
minute
uh these are horses of different sizes
aren't they and well the foot
structure's a little different for
a couple of them okay but that's that's
variation within a kind what you have
here are different varieties
of horse you see with their different
sizes that's okay that we have horses
today they're different sizes these are
both adult horses
they're just different breeds you see
and so that's not a problem
we have lots of different varieties of
horse today we should expect to find
some in the fossil record that have gone
extinct
because their their variety didn't
wasn't you know conducive to survival in
their environment
and yes some in the past had different
that they didn't have the single
uh toe they had was divided into three
or whatever that's fine they're still
horses
what you don't find is a non-horse
changing into a horse and that's
very consistent throughout the fossil
record there will always be a handful of
disputed specimens we'll say hey i think
we think we found the transition between
this and that
but generally the transitions are from
one from one variety within a kind to
another variety in the same kind
something that's perfectly consistent
with biblical creation
but don't rocks take millions of years
to form here's a set of car keys
embedded inside solid rock
i don't think that took millions of
years to form
here's a man-made clock embedded inside
solid rock did that take millions of
years to form i don't think so
what about these rock layers i mean look
there's the person down there at the
bottom for scale surely those took
millions of years to be deposited right
no those did not exist before 1980 those
sediment layers not all of them are
rocks some of them were loose but
but some of them were solid rock and
those were produced in the mount st
helens eruption in 1980 they didn't
exist before then
and another eruption came through and
sloshed a wave in spirit lake
and cut through those layers and formed
a canyon 140th the scale of grand canyon
in days maybe hours doesn't take
millions of years
see they used to teach these these fine
laminations that you find in the grand
canyon that those are
annual there's one was laid down and
then the next year another was laid down
and you add them up it's millions of
layers and therefore millions of years
except this isn't from the grand canyon
this is from the mount st
helens eruption those layers are all
laid down and simultaneously in a matter
of hours
okay so it doesn't take millions of
years and those are the same kind of
laminations you find in the
pete's sandstone which covers the you
know it's found in the grand canyon and
much of the united states and canada
it's given different names in different
parts of the world but that's continuous
so whatever deposited those layers was
covering the continent
a worldwide flood would do that you know
we find trees
in in rocks that are buried vertically
and a lot of them are missing roots they
tend to have a little bit of cold down
at the bottom sometimes
i was taught that coal forms over
millions of years as peat accumulates in
swamps
except we sometimes find impressions of
leaves in the coal
so we know what kind of plants were
around there and they're not the plants
that are found in swamps they're the
plants that are found in mountain
rainforests
so we've been lied to about coal
formation
it can happen very quickly and these
trees often don't have roots which is
strange because
most trees i know have roots right but
we now know how that happens because
when mount st
helen's eruption erupted it did it it
the eruption uprooted trees that's why
they don't have roots
and they tended to float in spirit lake
they tended to float vertically because
of the little remnant of the root that's
left
in most cases and then eventually they
get waterlogged and sink down and then
sediment would come and cover them up
it doesn't take millions of years this
happened recently we know how it happens
now
so you see when we take a look at the
rock layers
and we do good observational science
observing things like mountains and
helens we say oh
that's consistent with a recent creation
and a global flood
it's not consistent with millions of
years of slow gradual processes
you see the the rocks are not a record
of millions of years the rocks are a
record of the worldwide flood
most of them never some that happened
afterwards but for the most part the
fossils that we find in them
these all these dead animals that's a
reminder that god judges sin
and so you see the real message of the
rock layers is
repent that's the real message it's a
reminder that god judges sin
god is gracious he'd love to save
everybody but he's not going to
save you unless you repent he's not
going to do that he's because he's
righteous he's just
that penalty has to be paid
again it comes back to this for the
gospel to make sense
creation has to be true it has to be
real history
i'm not saying nobody's claiming you
have to believe in six days to be saved
that's not the point
we're saved by god's grace received
through faith in christ god doesn't
require us to have perfect theology
that's not what i'm saying but out of
gratitude for salvation we ought to get
our theology as right as possible we
ought to believe
everything the bible teaches including
the history in genesis
because it's what makes sense of
salvation it's in it's in genesis we
learn about the worldwide flood that god
judges sin but also about god's mercy
noah found grace
in the eyes of the lord and he and his
family were spared because they trusted
god
and i think it's interesting too god was
the one that closed the door on the ark
the bible says god was the one that
decided time of mercy
over time of judgment begins and that's
the same
thing that we experience today so today
is the day of salvation as i like to say
we have a number of resources on this
again check out our dvd the ultimate
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i haven't attempted to prove creation
this evening i've just shown you how the
science is consistent with it but if you
do want to demonstrate that creation has
to be true
this dvd will show you how to do that we
have understanding genesis showing how
christian doctrines go back to the
beginning
we have the dvd on astronomy reveals
creation how the universe declares god's
glory
and i show evidence in the in outer
space that the universe is nowhere near
billions of years old because there are
processes
that happen in space that can't last
nearly that long very powerful stuff
i have a book that goes along with that
called taking back astronomy
discerning truth how to spot errors and
reasoning that evolutionists make when
they defend evolution
worlds of creation this is a fun one
this is a dvd that
takes you on a tour of the solar system
and shows you how each of the planets
and many of the moons how they
uh how they are consistent with biblical
creation and defy
a secular evolutionary origin it's it's
great stuff and it's very graphical too
which is kind of neat i used
some neat software to do that uh
stargazer's guide to the night sky
this is just a fun book on how to better
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information
you say i don't have a telescope that's
okay there's a lot of stuff you can see
naked eye or with binoculars even their
star clusters you can see with
binoculars if you know where to look
if you do want to get a telescope we'll
tell you how to you know what kind you
might want to get and how to use it and
so on so that's a that's a fun resource
his star what about the star that guided
the wise men that guided the magi to
christ what was that all about well i
covered the
the details there on that uh dvd
creation evangelism is what i talked
about this morning how to use
creation to better uh witness to people
basically
dinosaurs in the bible the bible does
have some things to say about dinosaurs
yeah which i think is very interesting
and uh that's that's a fun one kids like
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and for which there is no secular
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really understand what's being said here
there's no contradiction the physics of
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that's a that's a fun area of physics i
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thank you very much
all right so we got about half an hour
for q a we got a microphone
right there and uh just come on up
and ask questions and i'll do my best to
answer them if i can
there was a book written and i know how
old is
gospel in the stars okay could you
explain a little bit about that
yeah so there um there's a couple
different versions
of that one that i would definitely
reject and the other that i would say is
plausible a little more plausible but i
wouldn't necessarily embrace it
but the idea is that the the
constellations
tell the gospel message basically the
idea is that they're
well there's two again there's two
versions of it one version of gospel in
the stars says
that that god himself originally named
the constellations
and named them in such a way as to to
teach the gospel
and in certain planets are associated
with certain features there's you know
there's the constellation virgo the
virgin which might refer to mary and so
on
and that's that's a clever idea but i
would say that i i would reject that
version of it
because the bible indicates that the
gospel is something it was something of
a mystery
in the old testament i mean they had a
semblance of it they knew the messiah
was going to come
but they didn't know the details of that
it was a little bit mysterious to them
they still trusted in god and were saved
by faith
but the the special revelation of god is
what gives us
uh the gospel message the universe tells
us
god exists tells us something about his
power his nature romans 1 makes that
clear
if you read psalm 19 psalm 19 is
wonderful because
the first few verses are about god's
revelation and nature
and then the rest of it is about god's
revelation in his word which is superior
to god's revelation in nature because
nature tells us we need a savior but it
doesn't tell us how to be saved
whereas god's word restores to the soul
it's what makes us right with god when
we embrace his word so i would reject
the notion that god
made uh put the gospel in natural
revelation that's contrary to what the
scriptures teach
then there's another version of gospel
in the stars that says okay but maybe
people having some knowledge of the
gospel which i believe they did
when they named the constellations did
so with knowledge of the coming messiah
i find that plausible but here's the
thing nobody knows
nobody knows because we don't know who
who named the constellation or when we
know they're ancient
they're mentioned orion's mentioned in
the book of job the pleiades are
mentioned in the book of job
josephus wrote that seth named the
constellation the son except the son of
adam
but of course that's not scripture we
don't know if that's the case or not so
we just know that they're very ancient
but
but i would be very cautious about
saying well people named him with the
gospel in mind we don't really know that
hi jason good afternoon good evening uh
my wife and i jenny um are happy to be
here
um i'd like to ask if i may a three-part
question but it's all
about one issue revolution i mean
evolution
okay sorry
um uh question number one is
what is your definition of evolution
question number two is
what is the unbelieving scientific
community's definition of evolution
and thirdly the most important question
is is evolution found in
scriptures okay did i go too fast no
it's good
that's good um my definition sure yeah
my definition well evolution has a
number of different definitions
and uh what i try to do is i try to when
i use when i use a word i try to use it
one consistently
and i try to use it in a way that's
consistent with the dictionary and i i
actually believe we have a moral
obligation to do that because the bible
talks about we're not we're not to be
word wranglers we're not to
to argue over words okay and so that
tells me that we should use words in a
way that's consistent in a way that
communicates
evolution the word evolution can just
mean change
right and that's that's a legitimate
definition and i believe things change
so i believe in that type of evolution
that surprises you well no not really
and then there's darwinian evolution and
usually when i'm talking about evolution
i usually qualify it at least once i'll
say something like
neo-darwinian evolution or molecules
demand evolution particles to people
evolution now i'm talking about
about a very specific idea of change the
idea that all organisms are descended
from a single
celled microbe over billions of years
i'm referring to the the idea that
darwin had in his mind
that's been modified a little bit
because darwin didn't know about
mutations
and or even genes really they were known
but he didn't know about them
and so uh neo it's called neo-darwinian
evolution and so the evolution that i
criticize the evolution that i try to
refute is the neo-darwinian
version of it so that's the definition
that i would use the the
idea that all organisms are descended
from a common ancestor
and evolutionists are not always
consistent in the definition they use
in fact one of the most common fallacies
committed by evolutionists is an
equivocation fallacy
where you change the meaning of the word
midstream
and so a lot of times evolutionists will
use two different definitions in the
same argument they'll use the darwinian
evolution they'll say we know that
darwinian
that evolution is true in the darwinian
sense because hey bacteria
have evolved resistance to antibiotics
well that's a change within a kind
that's consistent with creation that's
not darwinian evolution
so they've changed the meaning of the
word midstream one of the
one of the main arguments that you'll
hear evolutionists use because they're
not being consistent with the meaning of
the word they're using two different
definitions
and what was part what was part three uh
is evolution is it found in the word of
god
um in a way
it is because remember the the obviously
the darwinian version wasn't around at
the time
but there was uh greek thinking where
animals
had evolved and so on and i believe
that's what paul's referring to
in romans chapter one uh when it talks
about the people who
refuse to give glory to god but they
give glory to birds and creatures and
things like that i think he's referring
to that
that greek version of evolution so
that's that's the only place i can think
of it being mentioned in scripture as a
secular
anti-biblical belief so your definition
is change is that what you call
evolution well i i i words again words
can have different
definitions now that is a definition but
it's not that's not the def
that's not the definition that i'm
trying to refute because i believe
things change
when i'm referring to neo-darwinian
evolution i'm referring to the idea that
all life's descended from a common
ancestor
that's what i'm referring to okay
hey dr lyle hi thanks for being here i'm
sure um
in genesis just before the flood we're
told that the sons of god
saw the daughters of man found them
attractive and the rest is history and
but they had offspring
then the flood the suggestion there is
because of the very recent at least in
the scripture
idea of the seed of the woman crushing
the head of the seed of the serpent
that there is an attack on the genetic
line in particular
toward the savior the covenant coming
messiah new testament tells us
that jesus says as it was in the days of
noah and then goes on to describe some
things that weren't necessarily common
just to that time but if you go back to
genesis the one unique thing that
glares at you is that attack whatever
however it was what connection if any do
you see between the old testament flood
and the new testament especially given
what we're doing with chimeras
with genetic alteration all the things
that are going on today in that realm
okay i i you asked three different
creationists that question you'll get
six different answers
because we're not in we're not in
universal agreement for that i'm going
to give you
my take on it okay that's all i can do
because some people have said well the
sons of god those are angels and they're
interbreeding with humans
and i a lot of creationists hold to that
i don't i don't think that's the best
explanation i don't think it's a genetic
uh issue uh sons of god that term is
used of christians it's used to
believers
you say that's new testament actually in
the old testament too sons of god can
refer to uh
believers human beings believers he said
well job one the sons of god
you know they came to worship god that's
the angels
is it or is it human human believers
that came to worship god well so then
satan came in their minds yes satan goes
to church
that's fine so i think those are i think
those are human beings
and the fact that they're mentioned as
sons of god indicating they're they're
believers they're believers in god
and they married uh the daughters of men
this the fact that they're called
daughters of men and not daughters of
god suggests to me these are not
believers
so i believe the problem there is
believers marrying unbelievers
and that's something that the bible says
is not a good idea now if you're already
married to an unbeliever there's you
know the bible talks about how you can
deal with that you know don't don't just
get a divorce and throw that away
there's
there's there's qualifications there but
uh you we shouldn't willingly go into
a a marriage between light and darkness
because what what
that's the problem there and then
offspring are born to these
uh people it refers to them as men
so right so again i think i think that
would kind of lend away from the well
that's an angel human hybrid
that makes for great sci-fi but i don't
think that's the i don't think that's
the right answer
uh so you have believers marrying
unbelievers and then then if
the nephilim is the hebrew word for the
the offspring apparently the offspring
that were born to them
uh that could be related to the hebrew
word meaning to fall
and so nephilim could mean fallen ones
and that's not referring to a species in
my opinion it's referring to a spiritual
state
those who fell away from the the faith
and so
the philistines are also referred to as
nephilim it uses the same hebrew
word there because they fell away from
the faith as well
so the problem we read in genesis six
one through four in my view the problem
is you have believers marrying
unbelievers
and as a result they fell away from the
faith that their offspring were not
were not godly the best way to produce
godly offspring is to have
both parents be godly so with the
connection today there is a connection
today
because that's that's still a problem
today a lot of we're seeing a falling
away
of of the faith in the world today and
the nation founded on christian
principles and we've fallen away from
those so there is there is a connection
there between the days of noah
and today and of course the violence
that existed that time as well is why
god wiped out
humanity started over yeah sure
dr lyle i'd like to um plug your book
discerning truth
thank you um a really good
idea to get something like that in order
to make
to identify logical fallacies uh that
are used in
creation evolution or arguments so
thank you appreciate that absolutely my
question is um
i like softball questions for you as a
scientist
um i like to have predictability
and then be able to see something
observationally
so i'm going to throw out a softball in
the astrophysics area
dr humphreys i believe uh
did a prediction
on the magnetic field of uranus and
neptune
i believe could you explain
what his prediction was and how it was
um uh shown observationally
yeah sure thank you yeah so dr humphries
russ humphries he's a friend of mine
he's a phd in physics
and a biblical creationist believes in
that god created about 6000 years ago
and he's contributed quite a bit to
astronomy there's a few things we
disagree on but he's a good friend and
one of the models that really impressed
me is his model of planetary magnetic
fields
magnetic fields are caused by electrical
current in the core
of a planet because that's that's what
causes magnetism is
electricity maybe you've made a a little
electromagnet you take a coil a wire
wrap around touch the ends of battery it
makes a little magnet there so you got
current freely flowing electricity in
the earth's core and then the other
planets not all of them but
most of them and that current encounters
resistance
and so it slows down and so the magnetic
fields naturally decay with time
we've been able to measure that with the
earth's magnetic field we know it's
decayed in the last
we've had it uh measured it's almost 200
years
we so we know that the earth's magnetic
field is decaying we know the rate at
which it's decaying it's an exponential
decay
and russ humphries came up with an idea
that
that basically made a reasonable guess
as to what the starting magnetic field
would be for the earth
because we know the earth's made from
water and water has a certain magnetic
property to it because of the way the
the electrons and that works out and so
he russ humphries proposed well you know
assuming you take the mass of the earth
assuming it was all water originally and
then god transformed it
into other material but the magnetic
field then converted into
current at that time pretty clever and
uh
you find that if you do that and then
you calculate the rate at which the
magnetic field has decayed in 6 000
years you get the current
magnetic field of the earth pretty close
pretty neat
and so then he said well you know let's
assume for the sake of argument even
though the bible doesn't say
specifically that the other planets are
made from water let's suppose that they
were
and calculate what their magnetic field
would be after 6 000 years of decay
and you find you get the right answer
for mercury venus
earth mars jupiter
saturn pretty neat now at that time this
was back
in 80 84 i think 84
is when he did this at that time we had
not visited
with spacecraft the planet's uranus or
neptune and so humphrey said well let's
let's apply it to those planets he says
i predict the magnetic field of uranus
will be this amount i predict the
magnetic field of neptune will be that
amount
the secularists thought those magnetic
fields would be gone by now because
over four billion years they should have
run out and when voyager 2 went past and
measured the magnetic field of uranus
it was within the error bars that that
humphreys predicted it
was his prediction was right on and
likewise for uh neptune
so i think that's a pretty impressive
pretty impressive model really
and i i appreciate russ doing that so
that's there's an example of how
you start with biblical presuppositions
you get the right answer you really do
okay good any other questions
hi i apologize because i was out in the
back buying a whole bunch of stuff so
you may have to answer apologies well
you may have
answered the question already so i
apologize if it is a repeat but i
actually have two questions
so the first one the argument about
mount st helens that the rocks
that were newly formed were aged
millions of years even though they were
only what a couple of days old or
whatever
the case may be how do they know though
that the
the rock that came up from the earth
wasn't in fact millions of years old so
it's possible that even though it's
it was just formed it could have come
from material like how do you argue that
because i've gotten that debate that it
was actually
in the ground and was millions of years
old and then came
up and formed a rock how do you even
approach that question
okay yeah you you need to give them a
little lesson on how radioactive dating
works
i can tell you that that nobody
knowledgeable of the field would make
that argument
because you know you can take a you can
dip your stick in the magma in you know
in the raw gardens that's what's
measured
uh people have said well maybe you know
because the elements are older than that
that's what it's detecting
uh no because when it's magma you see
the the elements can move there it's
fluid they can move in and out
it's only when it becomes rock it's only
when it hardens
that the uh that the daughter product is
then trapped
in that in that system okay and so i
think with the ones
i think they use the the potassium argon
method
with the the rocks from mount saint
helens argon is a gas
so if you know if it's a liquid it's
just going to bubble right out of there
it's only once it hardens that that gas
is somewhat trapped in the rock now gas
can leak through rocks over time too
but it's somewhat trapped it's only when
it hardens that that's the case and they
sent in more than one they sent in
several rocks that were pulled right out
of the
magma we saw them form so they're
they're brand new
but you get estimated ages of millions
of years
under the earth and then became heated
and turned into
magma it could have been but but once it
becomes magma that resets the age
because the argon can the argon can leak
right through the magma
okay yeah all right so then the second
question i had you were talking about
the half-life of c14 being 50 what was
it
50 700 years how do we know that if we
weren't around for 5700 years to measure
that
good question what we can do is we can
measure the rate
at which a little bit of it decays over
a year oh and then you calculate what
percentage decayed and then
okay all right that answered my question
okay good
job
yeah yeah the the star that guided the
magi
of course we do have a dvd on that which
i'm sure you're all gonna get
but uh spoiler alert i think it was a
super natural manifestation of god's
power
people have tried to make it a supernova
people have tried to make it a comet
people have tried to say it's a
conjunction of jupiter and venus
none of those fit the description in the
text the the
tech and i've looked at i've gone back
i'm by no means a greek expert but i've
talked with people who are i said you
know am i reading this right
is is the star really going ahead of
them and then standing over where the
child was yeah that's what the text
means
and no natural object can do that so i
do think it was a supernatural
manifestation of god's power
there is a uh there's a dvd that's very
popular that's put out by
a well-intentioned christian lawyer
where he takes a different position but
i don't think that fits the text i
really don't
uh it seems to be a supernatural
manifestation of god's power temporary
uh never to be repeated the bible refers
to it as his star
which is interesting so that's that's
uni of course all stars belong to god
but this one is the star of the messiah
and so it's it was a unique
manifestation of god's power never to be
repeated
uh dr lyle this is probably also in in
your book uh
about the um the age of the universe
the light year measurement um so
for the contrarians argument about the
age of the universe
i i wonder if you could just touch upon
that okay i guess the uh
the first thing i would say is it
doesn't take
millions of years for light to get from
the stars to the earth
not necessarily there's nothing in
physics that requires that we have
measured the speed of light but the
speed of light that we measure you need
to understand how these experiments are
done
uh one method that's what's very common
is you send the light out
you bounce it off a mirror you bring it
back and you time it
and you get you take the total distance
you divide by the time
you get the speed of light but that's
what we call a round trip
time average speed and most people
assume that it took light the same time
to go out and hit the mirrors it didn't
come back
but it turns out it's actually
impossible to know that
and that surprises people because you'd
think well like you know i'll put a
clock here and a clock there
and then then i'll be able to measure it
on a one-way trip but the problem is
making sure those clocks are
synchronized and there's no way to do so
well we'll synchronize them here and
we'll move one clock over there
but motion according to einstein affects
the passage of time
you say well we'll synchronize them by a
radio signal but radio signals travel at
the speed of light
so there's no way to do it and that's
this is a fundamental property of
physics
and uh and i get well-intentioned people
that come up i think i have a lot of a
way to do it no you haven't
physicists have been trying to do that
for a hundred years and there's always a
catch that it's like a perpetual motion
machine there's always a new patent for
one
it's like that actually violates a law
of nature so it's it's not gonna work i
may not be able to see the flaw but
there is one
it's the same way with the the speed of
light and so the bottom line is
einstein recognized this and wrote about
it he said that the speed of light is
not
actually the one-way speed of light the
speed of light in one direction is not
actually a property of nature at all
it's a supposition it's not even a
supposition it's a convention it's
something that i can stipulate and that
tells me how to synchronize my clocks
then
and so the bottom line is uh it doesn't
take light necessarily any time to get
from stars to the
cabinet immediately even today depending
on how you choose to synchronize
clocks and in the ancient world the way
they synchronize clocks was by assuming
that light takes no time to get from
there to here and so i believe the bible
uses that convention
and once you recognize that it's no
problem at all to get the light from the
galaxies to the earth immediately
there's more to it than that it's it's a
complicated issue but that's that's why
i wrote the book the physics of einstein
and i do have a series of articles on
the website as well if you go to
biblical science institute and you go
back
a few months into the article archive or
there's a topic section you go to
distant starlight on topics
and it's a series of articles where i've
tried to explain it on a layman level
i don't know that i always succeed but i
always try so you might check that out
as well
okay others
your quiet group oh we're gonna do that
okay yeah
oh it does yeah um yeah so the question
is about
basically the origin of the the sexual
organs and
it's the reason i'm chuckling is because
a few weeks ago i wrote an article
on irreducible complexity published on
the website
and i was going to write a section on
that on that very issue
and so i thought you know i need to get
up to speed i need to see what the
latest explanations are
and i couldn't find any i couldn't find
any
it's like which which of the genders
evolved first because
the the the organs that are involved
there are very complex
and one doesn't work without the other
so i i i'm not in granted i'm not a
biologist
maybe that maybe there have covered it
somewhere but but a
pretty thorough search over the
literature i couldn't find any
examples of that i'm sure they have some
explanation but it's obviously not one
that they're
real happy with because they're not
they're not promoting it very well
i don't think there is an answer to that
there are many many systems like that in
nature that are irreducibly complex
where
if you remove one component the system
fails and so it can't have come about in
a in a piecewise
fashion very good any other questions
yeah go ahead thank you me again
i believe that god's glory is infinite
and i think scripture can substantiate
that and i heard you say something
in the the first meeting this morning
about
really liking astronomy at the am i
correct is that we said
and that being said
i think god's word substantiates that
the universe
is infinite because the heavens are
declaring god's glory
so i wanted to ask if you could
substantiate
uh anything through through your studies
that
the universe is infinite okay
scientifically we don't know could be it
wouldn't have to be
but i i like that idea i like the idea
certainly the the
the height of the heavens is used to
represent
god's glory and his way of thinking in
isaiah 55 one of my favorite passages it
says as the heavens are higher than the
earth so are my thoughts higher than
your thoughts and my ways higher than
your ways
and uh i don't know i and you know i
i don't know that that proves that the
universe is infinite but it's certainly
big
and i can i can assure you as as an
astrophysicist having looked into that
it's it's you can't comprehend the scale
of the universe
one of the uh i think we sold out of the
created cosmos dvd but
at the end of that video which i wrote
for the creation museum
it goes out and it zooms out to the
known
universe as far out as we can go into
space and you just see hundreds of
billions of galaxies each one has
hundreds of billions of stars in it
and it zooms all the way back in into
the earth to give you just a little bit
of a feel
for the the universe that god made that
he just he spoken and it leapt into
existence
it certainly declares his glory could it
be infinite yeah it could be
it could be we just we're finite though
so if it's infinite we'll probably never
know unless god tells us
that's very good any other questions
yeah it was funny because i had a i had
a reporter come
in and a secular reporter i was i had a
simulation of the earth rotating there
on my screen i was doing some astronomy
stuff and
he came in and he said you know how he
kind of
you know oh you're christian that's kind
of weird but all right
how did how did you know the josh was
long day how did that work did god
really stop the earth and how how did he
do that i saw
i said like this and i hit k and the
earth stopped and and uh you know
i said you know this this is you know i
can do that because this is this is my
computer program
right i can do that uh well this is
god's universe he can do that
he can i i think what god did was he
stopped the earth and the
and the moon apparently in its orbit
around the earth he just stopped him
like that
and it the objections that critics come
up with are so ridiculous we say oh you
know
why didn't everybody go flying off the
surface of the earth as if god could
stop
every atom in the earth but would
somehow forget about the very few atoms
that are on its surface
that doesn't make any sense you can just
you know you can just let the angular
momentum of everything in this this
sphere be zero
not a problem and uh so it's a
supernatural manifestation of god's
power there's no natural explanation for
it but we have a god who doesn't require
natural explanations he can do what he
wants and there it was a unique day
there's nothing else like it the only
thing that comes close in scripture is
uh
then when hezekiah saw the sun it
apparently saw the sun go the other way
so the earth reversed direction
apparently for
it was about an hour or something like
that so uh that's neat too
yes
yes yeah how the lord saved me uh i
i was very young i was blessed to have
been reared in a christian family
and so i went my parents uh very fine
christians
and uh they taught me you know they
brought me to church they taught me the
scriptures and when i was six or seven i
i you know i didn't have the advanced
theology that i have now but i knew that
i was a sinner
and i knew that that i needed a
substitute i knew that i knew that jesus
died
for my sins and if i repented of them
and trusted in him
that he would he would save me and so i
was very young and i believe i was saved
at that point and i've grown to love the
lord even more since then but
yeah you say i feel very blessed to have
a very boring testimony
because a lot of people have to make you
know some mistakes
in the world and i'm i'm so grateful
that
the lord didn't let me hit rock bottom
before he saved me safety was very young
oh yeah oh yeah yep yep
good any others
uh yeah um i i do have um i do have a
question about the
human brain i guess like i know that
maybe like some some
um some evolutionists theorize like how
the human brain evolved and i do know
that the human brain's very is
very complicated i guess so i guess um i
was wondering if you could explain like
what what what evolutionists think about
the human brain and how it's
interconnected or how it's
created yeah i don't think they i don't
think they have a good explanation for
that either
because in you know in in the darwinian
evolution
things evolve by accident and they're
preserved if they have survival value
but our brain has capacities that are
way above the minimum necessary to
survival
i mean we can we can put we can put
people on the moon using the you know
the combined collective
brains of people is that's amazing that
that would not make sense in an
evolutionary perspective
it makes perfect sense in the creation
worldview where we're made in god's
image
we have the capacity to be rational god
upholds the universe in a consistent way
for our benefit
and so i would i would argue that the
brain is just something that challenges
evolutionary notions it just doesn't
make sense because it's
it's far more it's capable of doing far
more
than it needs to do just to survive yeah
and i think that's awesome i think it's
one of the one of the ways in which
we're made
in god's image we have that capacity to
be rational animals have a limited
ability to think and i love animals but
we're made in god's image and our our
brain is different of course
in the in the christian worldview our
mind is more than just our brain and
that's something that is
is difficult for evolutionists to accept
because if your brain's just electrical
impulses you can't have any genuine
freedom of choice
but in the christian worldview you can't
because we're more than just a physical
body we're a body and a spirit
and so in how the spirit interfaces with
the
the brain how the mind and the brain
interconnect we don't know the details
of that but we at least have a world
viewer that's possible
because we have a god who controls the
physical universe and so
the spiritual can interface with the
material so i hope that it answers your
question
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it does thank
you good yeah
okay artificial intelligence and where
it fits into the discussion
it's something i'm interested in i
haven't kept up on the latest
though i have read some of the works of
roger penrose
and he's a mathematician he's interested
in that sort of thing
artificial intelligence doesn't generate
brand new information
it doesn't it's not genuine intelligence
artificial intelligence is when you're
able to
fool somebody into thinking that
something is intelligent when in fact
it's just algorithms
there's no consciousness in computers
and this idea too that oh you know if
computers were sophisticated enough they
would become conscious
no because there's they already you can
already put more information on a
computer than you can put in
in a in a brain potentially but it
doesn't become conscious
you know so uh that the consciousness
appears to be an aspect of our spirit
and therefore something that no computer
will ever achieve at least that's that's
my view on it
yeah how do you define consciousness
i've looked into that issue a lot and i
haven't found a satisfactory answer to
it
any basically anyone who who tries to
define consciousness ends up using other
words that mean
consciousness you know say well
self-awareness okay
um how do i define that i don't know i i
would say it's one of the ways
in which uh we bear god's image
certainly it's one of the ways god's
self-aware he's conscious and we have
that aspect built into us
it's not something that i would say
anything that's purely material like a
rock
or a tree or anything like that uh can
do so it's it's an i believe it's an
aspect of our spirit
it's it's our self-awareness but again
that's kind of another that's just a
synonym for consciousness
so if any of you come up with a good
answer for that let me know because it's
something i've thought a lot about but i
just don't have a good answer for it
yes there are some animals that have
self-awareness but it seems to be pretty
limited
and the linguistic abilities too of
animals are very limited
uh i've read some articles on this too
where they'll talk about you know you
can get
you can get an ape to to uh you know to
to sign language and
associate certain things with signs and
that's pretty neat
but human beings alone have this
linguistic ability to put things
together in a new way
for example a child might look at a duck
and say oh yeah water bird they're
they're qualifying it they're saying
that's a bird that
that lives in the water apes they won't
they won't do that they can't make that
they can't make that connection which is
interesting so we do
we do have we do have something in us
that's different
from animals and i think that's because
we're made in the image of god but yes
animals do have a very
limited reasoning ability and i i've
seen i've seen
um it's interesting too because i got to
take i got to take some psychology
classes when i was
an undergraduate and i just remember one
of the things is that there's the dog
it was a dog and it was on a chain and
there's a pole over here and the
the the chain was going around the pole
and he was trying to get something
and any human would say well you dummy
you just go around this way
but the dog couldn't it couldn't
comprehend that and i just thought that
was fascinating you know
they have the ability to love and and
they have a do they do have some ability
to think but they don't have that
capacity for abstract thought that human
beings have at least
not maybe in a very limited fashion but
not much more than that
okay any others
um hi thanks for being here for
the brain we have a normal brain
and we have people who suffer from
things like
mental illness or reoccurring problems
um would that be like a defect
in the gene the chromosome is it
more like demonic both maybe i don't
know i'm just
uh yeah it can it can be either um
demons are real
they can influence us uh they can't
they cannot take over a christian
because we're already inhabited by the
holy spirit if you're christian you
can't be demon-possessed
and god keeps them on a short leash too
in terms of what they can do
really but yes there are there are
physical
problems that can happen with the brain
the brain is not exempt
from the fall right and when the fall
happens
sin entered the world things don't quite
work properly the way they're supposed
to
and different people get different
issues different people have different
issues and this is something i think a
lot about i have a brother who has down
syndrome
and i love him more than anybody he's
great but he
he does have a limited capacity to to
reason abstractly he can't he
cannot comprehend anything mathematical
but at the same time i can talk with him
about what he watched on tv and and so
on so it's kind of interesting
and the lord only expects us to to
do what you know what we can do and i
believe the lord is capable of saving
people that have mental disorders that's
not a problem for him
you can turn my life around he can turn
anybody's life around
sure any others yeah
do i believe dogs go to heaven
i i i i don't think there is a
one-to-one correspondence
for each animal that dies and each
animal that will be in the new earth
but i do believe there'll be animals in
the new earth it's a restoration of
paradise
and i also believe that we're not going
to have
unfulfilled desires in heaven because
you know
what is it hope hope deferred makes the
heart sick the bible says
and so i would say this if you're in
heaven and you miss your pet and you ask
god can you resurrect my pet i can't
think of any reason why i wouldn't
that's the way i'd that's why i'd put it
but not poodles
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poodles too he'll just fix the mutations
so oh good any others
yeah hi okay
so can you help me wrap my brain around
a reproduction of adam and eve
or noah i guess it was noah
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gotcha i know where you're going i can
answer that yeah
so originally god god made adam and eve
and uh they had children they had cane
they had abel they had seth
and people asked where did king get his
wife you know there
was only people on the planet no the
bible you read genesis 5 adam had sons
and
daughters so he had daughters as well
and now so cain's wife would have been
either his sister maybe a niece but
probably one of his sisters
and that bugs people because much later
in scripture
much later in scripture we read about
god doesn't say you can't marry a
relative he says you can't marry a close
relative
okay in terms of the biblical language
because we're all relatives
if you don't marry a relative you didn't
marry a human being and then you're real
you're really in trouble
so now today we don't marry our close
relatives because god instituted that
around the time of
around the time of moses is when he
instituted that law abraham was before
that abraham married his half-sister
sarah was abraham's half-sister
okay so that law was not in place yet
around the time of moses
god said okay now you don't marry your
close your close relatives
why you need to think poodle
okay the reason that the reason that
purebreds have problems is because
they're closely related it's the result
of inbreeding
and when you inbreed that like that it
it the the tendency of getting a
mutation from
dad and mom at the same site is much
higher
and therefore you'll suffer a disease
you see a lot of times if you get a
mutation
from uh the gene of one parent you get a
healthy gene from the other
you're fine you don't because most most
mutations are recessive there are some
exceptions
but um if you today if you married a
close relative
it increases the probability that your
children will suffer
a debilitating effect due to mutations
and i think there's other reasons too
that god put that
institute in but it wouldn't have been
that way at the beginning because adam
and eve had zero mutations when they
were created
their children had very few mutations
have built up
in the human genome over time and so it
wasn't until the time of moses that they
had been
built up to the point where it would
become a bit problematic
for children who are descended from very
very close relatives
okay does that answer it okay
okay any others
yeah well along those lines um
i believe that everything is defaulting
oh yeah
yeah yeah we're all devolving that's
true um
yeah we're all headed toward the sort of
the poodle end of the spectrum i'm sorry
to tell you that
um and that's because
a lot of mutations are not fatal they're
just inconvenient
and so if you live to reproduce and you
pass them on
they accumulate over time and so i think
the number is a hundred i think you have
a hundred more mutations than your
parents
now you got three billion base pairs so
that's not a huge number
but it adds up over time and that's
called genetic burden or genetic load
all organisms suffer from that because
they're all affected by the
well all i shouldn't say all organ but
all uh sexually reproducing organisms
suffer from that effect and so uh
unless the lord intervenes or unless we
find some kind of technological solution
to that
eventually uh any given species will
come to the point where it can no longer
uh interbreed with other members of it
at the speed it can't it'll go extinct
basically all species are walking time
bombs
really because of the curse because of
the curse there was the i remember there
was an example of a
i think it was the florida panther that
was on the verge of extinction and the
way they were to save it was to breed it
with another
variety and that would cover up some of
the mutations but that particular line
is now gone apparently
so there are things like that unless the
lord intervenes
and he could do that through technology
too he could allow us to discover ways
to reverse
some of these mutations that have
accumulated that might happen at some
point that would be a good use
of genetics reversing the curse god
calls blessed those things that
that reverse the curse even if it's in a
mild sense
only jesus can permanently reverse the
curse and completely
and that'll be the case in the eternal
state yes
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yes
yeah yeah there are other way yeah there
are other ways of
of mutations will happen on their own
but yes there are other ways to induce
them we know that
radiation we'll do it cosmic rays
from space i live at
6000 feet in colorado springs i get a
little higher dose
of cosmic rays than you do if you live a
little lower down that's just the way
that's the
trade-off for living in paradise but uh
yeah there are things that can cause
mutations certain foods can cause
mutations certain there are certain
poisons that can cause mutations
i'm not an expert on what they all are
but yes there yeah mutations can be
induced
that's true yes
itself can be changed over a seven year
period of time
through change in diet changing
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the individual cells of the body you
mean
i i'm reticent to get into dietary
issues it's not my area of expertise
obviously if you if you eat healthier
and you exercise
it's going to go well for you i mean
there is benefit in that there's no
doubt about that but into the specifics
i wouldn't want to get into that it's a
little too beyond my
area of expertise
you can change genetics okay i would say
this you cannot change your dna sequence
through diet and exercise it's not going
to happen you can
potentially change what's called
epigenetic
factors epigene it turns out we're
learning a lot about this now that it's
not just your dna
that determines uh your traits but there
is
there are things that are sort of on the
outside of your dna that turn on or off
certain genes and those can be activated
or deactivated
uh by certain chemicals for example and
that there that there's an entire rich
field of this called epigenetics
and some epigenetics are even heritable
they can actually affect your your
children
usually for the negative but in any case
uh
you can you can't change your dna
sequence but you can
potentially turn off or turn on certain
genes uh
either favorably or unfavorably certain
poisons or or eating healthy etc
yeah okay any others
yes yeah
creationists most of us not all of us
but most of us do believe in pangaea
we think that before the flood the
continents were all together
super continent because sometimes how do
you get the animals to the ark well they
walked it wasn't really that
difficult uh getting them to the
locations after the flood is a little
trickier but even then
it's not that hard because there was an
ice age that followed the flood
and that would lower the ocean levels by
300 feet and you'd have ice bridges and
land bridges in places you don't have
today
so when people ask well how did the
kangaroos get to australia yes you can
say
they hopped but yeah we do we do think
that pangaea's
real and it's actually a creationist
idea it was what antonio snyder
pellegrini who was a creationist
who proposed that the land masses were
connected before the flood
and he was i think 1800s and they were
pushed apart during that flood we think
i think that's right and it was the
secularists that were very resistant to
that until about the 1960s when they
decided well maybe if we slow it down
over millions of years then then we'll
we can live with that
but john baumgardner is a phd a
geophysicist who has some detailed
computer simulations showing how the
continents
were pushed apart during the flood years
it's just fascinating stuff
fascinating stuff okay any other
questions
okay everybody's satisfied that's great
that's great
uh i'll stick around if you want to ask
a few others but
thank you so much for having me out i
really enjoyed meeting you and god bless