hey man how's it going i'm doing well
thanks for asking but there's something
on my mind well what's on your mind i've
just been thinking lately about the
topic of homosexuality and how it
relates to the bible and all that stuff
interesting what have you been thinking
about specifically well i guess it just
bothers me how most conservative
bible-thumping christians talk about
homosexuality they're so harsh and they
really don't show much compassion at all
well that would be concerning if it's
true i mean as christians we really want
to show compassion as much as possible
what are some specific ways that these
bible-thumping christians talk about
homosexuality that really bother you
well i really just think the church
should be a safe space for everyone you
know
okay i'm not really sure what that means
i get the sentiment but like what do you
mean by that specifically well a lot of
lgbt people they walk into the average
church and they feel judged for their
behavior people call their lifestyle
sinful and morally wrong and against the
bible so let me get this straight in
order to make the church a safe space
for all people we have to stop saying
that homosexuality is a sin is that what
you're saying exactly i mean who are we
to call other people's lifestyles sinful
anyway well we're people who believe the
bible and who want to promote biblical
values in the culture so that people
won't sin against god in matthew 4 17
jesus himself preached repent for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand as
christians we need to call people to
repent right i get all that but like
what gives you the right to call other
people sinful well i'm not calling other
people sinful by my own authority if
that's what you mean but god calls them
sinful in his own word for instance
romans 1 26-27 clearly says that
homosexuality is a sin okay fine well
that's just like your opinion man no
that's not just my opinion that's what
god himself said in his word yeah but
the book of romans was written by paul
so that's just his opinion actually
paul's writings are scripture and were
directly inspired by god according to
the bible just because paul was a human
being doesn't mean god couldn't write
his word through him and it doesn't mean
that the bible is paul's opinion in fact
christians have included paul's writings
in the canon of scripture from the very
beginning and have obeyed them because
they carry divine authority just like
the rest of scripture in fact in second
peter 3 16 peter explicitly says that
paul's writings are scripture yeah but
the bible also says that we should show
people love and compassion like jesus
did and i don't think it's very loving
or compassionate to call other people
sinners do you by that standard the
bible actually contradicts itself the
bible does tell us to love others in
john 13 34 but the bible itself also
calls everyone a sinner in romans 3 23.
you can't use the bible as your
objective standard of morality when it
says to love others and then ignore what
the bible says about the sinfulness of
things like homosexuality you can't have
your cake and eat it too are you kidding
the word homosexuality wasn't even in
the bible until 1946 you gotta get your
facts straight no that's progressive
christian propaganda of course the
english word homosexual didn't appear in
the earliest new testament writings
that's true but that's because those
writings were originally in greek not
english the real question is did a word
in greek that means homosexuality appear
in the original manuscripts of the new
testament and the answer to that is a
resounding yes in our early manuscripts
of paul's first letter to the
corinthians for instance the greek word
arsenicoitos appears in first
corinthians 6 9. it's a compound word
made up of two separate words the first
is ren which means male or man and the
second is koite which means bed so the
word literally translated means man bed
or male only bed in other words a bed in
which male on male sexual activity is
occurring so it's true the english word
homosexuality did not appear in the
bible until 1946 but the concept most
definitely is present in the original
greek text of the new testament and it's
called a sin well that may be true
technically but when you think about it
all of this is just your interpretation
of what god said in his word that's the
problem you bible thumping christians
are so arrogant that you assume your
interpretation must be correct well
there's two problems with that one is
that this isn't just the interpretation
of modern conservative christians in the
21st century the idea that homosexuality
is a sin has been held by virtually
every major christian group since the
time of jesus christ what's truly
arrogant is when progressive christians
assume that they somehow have an
interpretation of scripture that's
better than basically every single
christian who ever came before them also
you can't just say that's your
interpretation of scripture as if that's
an argument against my position because
your position is also your
interpretation of scripture the real
question is based on a proper exegesis
of the passage which person's
interpretation accurately reflects god's
word simply saying that's your
interpretation does nothing to
demonstrate that your interpretation is
right or that mine is wrong that is to
say it really isn't relevant at all yeah
well i just think we need to agree to
disagree as christian brothers on this
we need to have christian unity bro no
as christians we can agree to disagree
with each other about tertiary things
but we don't have the right to agree to
disagree about something this clear and
this important in the bible i will not
simply agree to disagree with any
progressive christian not if that means
that i have to ignore this important
debate or unify with people who lie
about god and who lie about his word i
will fight against their unbiblical
teaching to the bitter end romans 1
doesn't just say that homosexuality is a
sin it also says very clearly that those
who approve of it are living in sin will
you conservative bible thumping
christians you're just a bunch of
dogmatic people who stand by the bible
even if it means offending people wow i
guess we're finally in agreement on
something then you're right i will
always seek to stand on the bible as the
foundation of truth and the foundation
of my worldview what's the foundation
you're standing on i'm standing on the
foundation of scripture too i just see
things a little differently than you do
no you stand on the foundation of
scripture whenever it's convenient for
you when the bible says that you should
love others you agree with the bible but
when the bible says homosexuality is
sinful you either reject it outright or
you reinterpret it in a way that agrees
with you yeah but how are we going to
stay relevant in the culture if we don't
reinterpret these things in a more
culturally acceptable way in galatians 1
10 paul says that he as a christian is
not living his life to gain the approval
of the sinful culture but rather to
offer his life to christ as a servant of
god as christians it's not about being
relevant it's about being biblical we
will never truly be relevant we will
never truly be helpful unless we follow
god's word look man i'm just trying to
serve god too i just do it differently
no because every time god disagrees with
you in his word or says something that
you don't personally like you choose to
ignore that statement or deconstruct it
until it means something you do like
you're not obeying and worshiping god
you're obeying and worshiping yourself
and your feelings well you're just so
mean and so unloving yeah that's what i
thought you'd say because that's what
progressive christians almost always say
when they realize they have no argument
if your standard of being loving and
compassionate contradicts scripture then
i don't have to follow it so you're just
gonna follow your precious little bible
even if it means offending me and
ruining other people's safe space
yeah that's exactly what i'm gonna do
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