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hey everybody how's it going so here i
am live with josh haley who does a lot
of work on one wheels and we wanted to
do was respond to the ceo of future
motion they did a video a conversation
with kyle and um as josh will say a
conversation usually goes both ways so
there were certain points that were
brought up in that video it's great to
see that they were addressing them but
there's also a lot that wasn't said so
we are going to bring up a bunch of
points that come from the community and
we're also going to have a lot of
questions that we pose along with
evidence for the questions that we have
so josh can you take it away yep all
right so i have a prepared statement
that we've spent a lot of time writing
and larger this large amount of this is
going to be reading straight from this
document so with that let's get started
uh first off thank you for watching the
onewheel ad that you likely just saw
before this video and we'll probably
continue to see pop up throughout the
duration of this stream
future motion places a very high
emphasis on marketing and recruiting new
riders this is a good thing
their focus on image and optics is spot
on and they successfully make
onewheeling very appealing in a public
sense
fm continues to successfully grow the
one wheel racing league into a serious
sport with legitimate coverage and
events
this marketing is great however image is
not everything and when we pull back the
veneer we find that some of the
underlying truth is pretty ugly
as much as i am not thrilled to be the
one who has to bring this stuff out into
the light we're going to go into the
closet here today and bring up skeletons
to be examined so we can have at least
an honest conversation with kyle
the cold hard truth is that fm values
the prospective customer far more than
they do their active riders as this is
seen through a stronger company focus on
marketing efforts and then service or
support
the value fm sees in you as an
individual drops off to near nothing the
second you purchase a onewheel and
that's a problem that has only grown
more significant with time
fm's disrespect towards the community is
obvious when you look at the history of
their relationship with the many
aftermarket companies and third-party
service providers centered around their
product these comp these are companies
who have had their original products and
accessories copied and sold by the
manufacturer as their own and have
received legal threats and action taken
against them
future motion titled their latest upload
a conversation with kyle who is the ceo
of future motion and the inventor
patenter of the onewheel
now to me a conversation is two-sided
where each party has an equal
opportunity to make their voice and
perspective heard to the other
unfortunately i was not granted this
voice
after my first appearance on this very
channel i discovered that i was
supposedly blocked and made unable to
respond to the comments on fm's first
public response video addressing growing
community concerns
therefore in place of the sentiments i
attempted to share publicly at the time
i instead respond with this video in an
effort to continue this so-called
conversation
throughout this message my voice is
intended to represent not just myself
but also a large part of the onewheel
community that may feel like they don't
have one
this is a group that is best represented
as a collective voice of the community
members and business owners who
represent not only the most significant
wealth of one wheel experience and
knowledge but can well be said to be
those who care most about the sport the
community and even future motion
themselves
i myself am not affiliated with future
motion in any way the stoke life service
network that i and my shop are proudly a
part of are not affiliated with future
motion in any way the words information
and sources shared here are community
curated and developed and not affiliated
with future motion in any way whatsoever
the resources shared in this document
are accurate and factual to the best of
my current understanding effort and
ability i take my role in this
conversation as a serious responsibility
and hope that i am successful in
providing a truthful platform and voice
for the community to respond in a
professional and courteous manner to
future motion in an effort to find a
mutually beneficial solution where
everybody wins
the very document i am reading from has
been made available to you the viewer in
the description of this video it is my
hope that you will follow along with the
topics covered and dig deeper into the
areas that we will only have time to
briefly cover today
the most valuable thing here is an
informed customer
just as i told lewis and my original
outreach message to him at a minimum i
hope to provide an opportunity to
educate and at maximum i hope to provide
an opportunity to collaborate if you
have any information to contribute
towards or update this knowledge base to
become more factual i highly encourage
you to do so
at the conclusion of this live stream we
will be leaving this document open to
viewer input and look forward to
reviewing your responses
we are all very passionate about these
boards and solving the problems at hand
if you are new to onewheel and curious
to learn more about why these boards in
particular have such a dedicated and
die-hard following behind them i cannot
recommend enough that you take the time
to watch the float effect this is a
newly released short from the short film
that i was involved with over the past
two years this video conveys and
visually and visualizes exactly what
onewheeling means to us riders in a way
that words cannot just describe and i
highly recommend you check it out
i want to take this moment and
explicitly clarify that our side of this
conversation with kyle is in no way
intended to be slanderous defamatory or
interpreted as a hit piece in any way
it is a good thing that this
conversation is happening right now
by putting our foot down and refusing to
accept the shifting status quo we show
future motion that the value of one
wheeling lies in the community and not
the sole manufacturer by refusing to
accept the erosion of our ownership
rights we aim to ensure that we possess
the ability to repair and service these
devices once fm either chooses to not
support them any longer or is unable to
support them for whatever reason and
ultimately serve as an example for
similarly challenged industries that
consumer power prevails
this community we have built that we
have all built does matter we shouldn't
be ignored or treated as ignorant fools
who can be lied to and condescended like
errant children only very recently has
fm for the very first time in their
seven year existence responded to the
public outcry that has grown too
significant for them to ignore any
longer
after hearing kyle's response the
impression i and many other riders were
left with is one of damage control and
not one of genuine effort to solve the
problem at hand with that being said
let's get right into it
historically speaking fm has had has
actively avoided releasing standardized
technical information repair or service
documentation and public statements in
any significant capacity when it comes
to anything beyond marketing efforts
as a result the best our community can
do is formulate and test hypotheses
play hearsay and inevitably engage in
group politics in an attempt to figure
these things out on our own
we have come a long way with this method
and with a severe lack of concrete
information coming from the manufacturer
it is extremely unlikely that we will
get everything right the first time
around
as we develop this knowledge and
understanding from scratch we are in an
everlasting pursuit to find this truth
when irrefutable evidence and when
irrefutable evidence is shown to
contradict this best understanding
updates are not only necessary but
welcomed
this in and of itself is the best that
we as a community can currently do and
this is the precise dynamic
and this precise dynamic is a major
symptom of the real problem at hand here
the burden of truth is exclusively and
ultimately falls upon the community and
rarely ever the manufacturer
this very dynamic has resulted in lewis
being threatened legally by fm
in a previous video a popular support
ticket from a gt owner was covered by
lewis in which the customer claimed that
they believed the motor on their
onewheel gt was serialized and paired
with their board
as their attempt to connect the motor to
a separate gt had resulted in a board
error
prior to this experience a similar
incident had gained traction within the
onewheel community in which the same
motor swap test was performed with a
similar unsuccessful result
at this point in time there had been no
cases confirming otherwise and with the
lack of documentation provided by future
motion and the manufacturer's proven
history of implementing similar
serialization measures this could
understandably be considered as a fair
conclusion to arrive at
future motion has since denied this
claim through an instagram comment reply
and there is now at least one confirmed
case of a motor swap working
functionally on a gt and without air
within the onewheel community
although serialization does not appear
to be at play here this does not dismiss
the message sent by by fm's response to
the customer in which they were denied
any service under the stipulation of an
internal component of the board in this
case the motor was missing
from fn's perspective parting out boards
is not supported or accepted in any
capacity whatsoever and they take
drastic measures to prevent this in
future motions eyes the consumer is
still effectively left with zero options
for getting back up and running
highlighting their prioritization of
control over the board perch over the
board post purchase versus the support
of the consumer
i'm excited to continue this
conversation with kyle
both personally and as an active member
of the onewheel community
one thing that will hopefully become
more clear to you throughout this video
is that what fm says and what fm does
are often entirely different things
i want to demonstrate some points share
some history and ask some questions that
hopefully better inform the current and
prospective consumer base of where
future motions interests and priorities
lie focused through the lens of their
actions
in short i want to make sure that we're
not just having a conversation which is
nice but rather i want to ensure this is
an in-depth valuable and above all else
honest conversation
this dialogue is and will continue to be
critical in solving the issue in a way
that benefits everyone and aligns with
the interest of both the community
and future motion
without this massive potential synergy
is simply lost and the bickering over
maintaining needlessly draconian control
over the devices fm has ostentably sold
to their consumers
devices to which the consumers should by
all that is right and ethical have the
ability to do whatever it is they should
please without having to take irrational
and expensive steps to circumnavigate
and counter the measures future motion
has put in place in a series of
escalating but ultimately futile
attempts to retain full control again
the contents of this document are not my
words alone i am just the messenger but
the message is one of a group effort and
it is best represented by the collective
voice of the community members and
business owners who represent not only
the most significant wealth of one wheel
experience and knowledge but can well be
said to be those who care the most about
the sport and the community and even
future emotion themselves
i take my role in this as a serious
responsibility and i hope that i am
successful in providing a platform and a
voice for the community to respond in a
professional and courteous manner in an
effort to solely focus around finding a
mutually beneficial solution where
everyone wins
since the company's initial kickstarter
launch in 2014 fm has sold products that
continue to offer minor performance
improvements in trade for major and
ever-tightening restrictions governing
how much freedom and control the owner
is actually given over what they've
ostensibly purchased
during these past seven years future
motion has stayed completely and
entirely radio silent to any and all
public outcries for fm to cease and
reverse these trends
the production of future motion's latest
video feels rushed and kyle seems
visibly distressed and in discomfort
during his message perhaps even
distraught at times
at the same time the fm social media
team has been publicly appearing as a
rude irritated and seemingly unable to
take current events
are unable to take serious unable to
take current events seriously
this is frankly understandable given the
situation fm has put themselves in
perhaps kyle had a sense that this video
was not going to ring true and it would
simply add fuel to the fire
at the very least i hope that deep down
kyle didn't sincerely believe that this
would fool the community
i hope that he realizes we're at least a
tiny bit smarter than that
kyle closed off the beginning of his
conversation by sir kyle closed off
his conversation by saying
if there's things that we can be doing
better keep letting us know and this
response intends to do exactly and only
that
i highly encourage kyle dorkson ceo of
future motion
julian de la rue the supposed cto and
self-claimed electron whisperer of
future motion
as a and future motion as a whole not
only to continue this conversation
publicly and openly but also respond
explicitly to the questions contained
within our side of this conversation and
deliver the answers and questions that
we as a community have been asking since
the very beginning
i've been drinking all the water it's
kind of okay so where you want to start
so we can start with uh the main
argument here
so we want to
get into it now
all right
so the onewheel community does not want
fm to disappear or go out of business we
want fm to succeed and grow but not at
the cost of creating unnecessary and
expensive e-waste bullying third-party
manufacturers and alienating the very
community that loves the product in a
sport that has evolved for that to
happen fm needs to change
we do not want prospective riders of one
wheel sorry we do not want prescript
we do not want prospective riders to not
buy one wheels
we don't want them to buy new one wheels
my favorite part of onewheeling is
introducing and exposing new people to
all the great things one wheel has to
offer and it genuinely saddens me to see
people interested in getting their first
one wheel only to be dissuaded by fm's
policies and practices
if you are considering your first
onewheel please be aware that there are
many use boards available often local to
you that are still very largely if not
entirely community supported these
boards are often more reliable and
feature-rich than the new offerings
available by fm especially when handled
by reputable third-party repair
organizations such as the stoke life
service network
future motions actions are concerning
they're acting in a monopolistic way and
the company's actions prove that or the
company's actions prove to be
increasingly anti-consumer
fm intentionally makes changes to their
product and policies that causes the
customer to be increasingly dependent on
things that not only the manufa that
only the manufacturer can now provide
competition would be healthy
fm makes public claims that are outright
false and acts in untruthful ways
kyle did not invent the onewheel as fm
advertisements claim
kyle
kyle in future motion patented the
technology and designs for a single
wheeled self-balancing electric
skateboard that came from community
developments and projects made years
prior
to his credit kyle did however
successfully bring the onewheel to
market which is not an easy task
although much of this success is shared
with the kickstarter backers who made
this campaign
and company successful in the first
place
at 743 and kyle's initial video he
states that i think there's a
misconception that we are totally
opposed and we are suing and litigating
companies who are making accessory
products while that has happened in
certain cases and while companies have
violated rp
violated our ip for the most part we are
wide open to letting people build the
kinds of mods and accessories that
people want to build because they
enhance the onewheel community
while this sounds really good even with
a little bit of digging one can find
that this contracts or contrasts with fm
fm's actions as seen in the brand new gt
owner's manual on page 33
uh this states that any aftermarket
modifications or accessories will
violate your fm warranty
plus my space on the page
so fm has advertising in the past where
they're riding on beaches or riding
through water
that is something that they have claimed
will violate your warranty
uh fm
is
lost my pace again
uh fm has been has sent a package of
stakes to a one-wheel rider who has
seemingly in
in a seemingly congratulatory manner who
surpassed 30 miles an hour and nosedived
on the gt this doesn't really vote in my
personal opinion with the line of rider
safety i'm not really sure why that was
done
additionally fm's canadian shipping
embargo
uh was issued after m was caught
supposedly asking customers to black out
hazmat and safety information on
warranty repairs that were sent back to
their facility via mail
seemingly as a result of the gt release
one wheel retailers were told by shopify
the retailers supporting the
oem's online sales as well as retailers
that the same online tools used uh did
no longer allow
that when wheels are no longer able to
be sold on their platform to the product
being categorized as high risk
additionally uh we get into the issue of
samsung 30q what's called pink cells so
we talked about this briefly in our last
video lewis
samsung 30q cells were used in the 2018
model of the xr known as the 4208 most
of the 4208s produced that year
contain these packs the 30q cells have a
known reputation to be less reliable in
regards to balancing a behavior vital to
the behavior
a behavior vital to the function of a
one wheel
the 30q cells are not of the same
quality as the vtc6 what's called a
green cell
fm has normally used up
fm had normally used up until that year
as a result a significant number of
these riders with 4208s had to send
their boards back in for repair at large
personal expense
most of the batteries did seem to fail
somewhere between the four and 800 mile
mark which would make some of them
eligible for warranty and others not
due to this the repair community became
quickly aware of the functional
disparity between the less reliable pink
packs and the more reliable green packs
identifying each by the exposed cells
visible on the sides of the battery pack
so i have one of those batteries right
here
so this is a 324 watt hour xr stock pack
that is a green cell using a vtc6
battery and then hidden back here
somewhere
it's one of the things we should have
grabbed earlier
we're always going to miss something oh
he's going to miss something here
so in contrast you're not bouncing the
smc off of the board like paul daniels
did on livestream three years ago you're
good yeah so this is the
uh 30q pack this is a different cell
entirely from what's inside the newer
models of the xr
so the pink pack has a reputation to
fail more frequently because the cells
can lose balance from each other
so they're exactly the same capacity
they're exactly the same configuration
one of the packs is just known to be
more reliable than the other
it's okay 30 qs i love you
due to this the repair community became
quickly aware of the functional
disparity between the less valuable pink
packs and more reliable green packs
identifying each by the exposed cells
seen on the side of the pack
while this could be possibly forgiven
after fm changed back to the vtc6l
starting with a 4209 generation of the
xr and later with the pint it was
discovered that the 30q cells had
re-emerged and were contained within the
4212 and 42-13 xr sold during the 2021
black friday sale
this came as a major shock to the sls
network and that fl that fm would use
faulty cells again and adds additional
suspicion as to why now all battery
information has been removed from the fm
app
as well as battery models being harder
to identify as new packs are totally
covered in foam making visual inspection
and cell identification significantly
more difficult if not impossible
the 30 key reintroduction coincides
almost directly with a sharp increase in
wholesale vtc6 battery sell prices
next point to make here uh there is an
evident disconnect between fm and the
onewheel community
in a practical sense fm has a has
historically and actively avoided
releasing standard and technical
information repair service documentation
and public statements in any regard when
it comes to making anything beyond
marketing efforts
firmware updates and hardware revisions
are rolled out with no patch notes
details or even an announcement to the
public
documentation is absent and pertaining
to anything beyond surface level
functionality basic accessories and very
high level care for your board
board issues and problems discovered in
the real world including those that are
potentially dangerous are not brought to
the customer's attention by the
manufacturer but instead are rarely if
ever mentioned all by fm or either
silently fixed or not resolved at all
this is the case for every single
problem that has ever occurred on a
onewheel
barring an extremely limited list of
exceptions that are communicated
extremely briefly or without much detail
a very recent example of which being the
new gt firmware update released
yesterday
as a result the best and
the best the community can do is test
hypotheses play hearsay and inevitably
engage in group politics to attempt to
figure out these things on our own it is
extremely unlikely that we will get
everything read on the first time around
and we are in an everlasting pursuit of
this truth
this in and of itself is the best we can
do as a community currently and it's a
major symptom of the real problem at
hand
socially fm has a disconnect as well
of the many large
of the the very large community events
that have taken place fm has very rarely
ever seen making rounds or really
participating at with the onewheel
community at all
i've been to a number of these events
personally i have never seen kyle any of
these events i am curious if kyle's ever
shown his face at any non-mf fm hosted
event
the public rider perception around fm is
far from satisfactory and only continues
to degrade
fm acts in a very anti-third party and
anti-competition manner
fm files frivolous lawsuits against
anyone they see as a threat to their
bottom line and threatens potential
competitor competitors with cease and
desists
a few notable examples of this the most
prominent being the jw lawsuit
this is a lawsuit around the
communication protocol between the
controller module of the onewheel and
the bms
newer models of the board are software
paired together with a
serialization process and there is a
chip that enables the
consumer to swap out
bms and controllers as they please this
is something that was possible in order
model of boards or older models of
boards but is not possible now
this is a very important lawsuit to the
onewheel community
there is a gofundme link in the bio of
this video uh any contribution you can
make towards that cause is significantly
appreciated
uh separate that leonard french made a
video conveying why this lawsuit stands
upon a weak foundation in much greater
detail than i can personally cover
there's a lot of great information there
i also highly recommend you watch that
trotter is a competitor to the onewheel
this is a
one-wheeled self-balancing device
produced overseas that is sold in the
u.s
they were evicted from ces
uh i believe it's 2017 or 2018 if memory
serves correctly uh they were evicted
from the show and removed forcibly
uh at the i don't know if it was the
request i don't know the specific
details off the top of my head but fm
had trotter removed from that trade show
uh float wheel attempted to produce a
third party alternative to the one wheel
they were also hit with a cease and
desist
one wave a popular third party
application used to
retrieve and restore some of this
diagnostic state information to an app
was dmcad by fm
tfl was hit with a cease and desist for
a drop top fender product that they had
developed
lancer fangs was hit with a seasoned
assist for a product that they had
developed for the onewheel pint
and one wheel retailers are imposed with
restrictions in terms of participation
a few notable of those being
fm retailers are not able to sell or
support non-fm accessories
they are not able to sell boards online
any longer and they are not able to
service boards in any way
fm retailers are on the hook to cover
costs of oem repairs of boards should
boards fail sealed in the box in their
inventory
fm strips features and functions from
their boards and their products without
notification
fm the fm app is losing more and more
features that riders are using and
depending on to ride safely a few
examples of this is individual cell
voltage readouts that were removed from
the official fm app in version 2.0.18.
and this particular represents a
significant unnecessary risk
a significant and unnecessarily
increased risk to the rider as it makes
impossible for the rider to fully
evaluate the battery health and ensure
their own safety while riding
they also severely limited the
diagnostics communicated by the board
over bluetooth and newer firmware
revisions
this uses a method which encrypts some
of the diagnostics data being sent to
the controller in this way data can no
longer be recovered with a third-party
app
in addition to this the
fm app has changed bluetooth handshake
presumably to inhibit owce and other
third-party applications from
acquiring more information it also
removed the ability to see the entirety
of the pack voltage within the board it
removed the battery amp hour capacity
visualization to the user
it removed the battery and power regen
value
visible to the user and it removed the
board orientation
values that were visible to the user
the fm app has also changed the
bluetooth handshake protocol presumably
to inhibit owce and similar app
developments that restore now hidden
board and diagnostics data
this is really important for a couple
reasons so if we want to make an analogy
here
your battery and the bms that runs it
effectively runs like a bartender and if
you own your board you effectively own
this bar you own this battery and it's
the bartender's responsibility to make
sure all the patrons are properly served
and they do that the bartender handles
that by distributing power across all
the cells equally and the bartender will
observe the cells and watch all the
patrons
drink their drinks or you know use power
appropriately and restore that back when
appropriate
if you the owner are not able to see how
your bartender is running your bar
your bar is at risk and you're not aware
of it so that in my opinion is a major
risk that's not really worth
taking
and i am
curious as to why that was done
next point here so fm seeks additional
control at the expense of user freedom
this is seen with gt bricking measures
caused when unplugging the battery
there are increasingly software paired
components
this
started with bms and controller pairing
on the xr using rs-485
this was seen with gt motor pairing but
has now been
updated with our understanding as of
very recently this was dismissed by fm
and proven possible by at the time of
this recording at least one account of a
member within the onewheel community
gt pairing between the bms and
controller is now encrypted which makes
certain measures like the jw fm chip
possible on the xr and the pint
significantly more difficult to achieve
there is an example of a writer's board
being sent in to be serviced by fm fm
has kept this board and not returned it
to the user there is a lawsuit
surrounding this right now
uh
fm service department has been noted to
remove and not return therefore
effectively stealing third-party
components off of boards that are sent
into the repair facility this means you
can load your board up with whatever
accessories you want to purchase if you
send it into fm and you get it back
there's a possibility that you get a
completely stock board return back to
you you lose all that value that you
paid to put accessories on your board
and make it your own
fm is replacing older hardware sent in
for service with newer and less
feature-based hardware without customer
consent
this is done even when the board is
sent in for service for components
unrelated to the controller in the bms
this has been seen recently with the
4213 refresh on a community member's
board
i am uniquely familiar with this problem
a couple years ago i attempted to send
in my 4210 board which has a
serialization between the bms and
controller
and i was not able to receive a
guarantee from fm that i would receive
back the same hardware and firmware
generation of the board that i would be
delivering to them
as such i made a decision to keep my
board at that time and fix it myself
which i happened to be able to do
successfully in that circumstance other
riders unfortunately are not that lucky
fm has also created a totally bespoke
bolt for the pint that is seemingly
designed to be harder to for the user to
operate and easily stripped or
altogether sheared off so i actually
have an example of that here or had it
somewhere so this is the bolt used on
the xr this is what's called an ohb
outer hub bolt so that
fixes the axle into the rail of the
board there's one on each side on the xr
the pint has the same thing
and you can see the difference between
these two bolts here
so i can't see the frame you'll have to
tell me if you can see this
there we go
we came prepared this time we did look
at that second camera this is a stock xr
outer hub bolt
this is a stock pint outer hub bolt so
one of the biggest things you can notice
right off the bat is the head is
significantly thicker on the xr
additionally i don't know if you can see
this maybe under the lighting
the xr outer hub bolt is hex
oh it's got a zoom functionality to it
i should learn how to use my own tripod
yeah possibly
where's the focus
there we go it's gonna focus on
everything what you wanted to focus on
you have to do you ever watch av
oh yeah do you know how to make the
camera focus shout at it there you go
so
the xr hub bolt is a hex key
the pint hub bolt is a torx t20
so
this can do one of two things or at
least
i have frequently seen it do one of two
things
it is a less commonly available bit so
it means less people are going to be
able to work on the product that they
paid for and if you do have the proper
size tool for it you are more likely
with a torx bit in this specific custom
design bolt to either strip out the head
or shear the head off entirely this
makes removing the motor which is
commonly why you remove these bolts in
the first place such as to change tires
or bearings significantly more difficult
expensive and complicated
all right where was i
dual camera baby professional i even got
hotkeys
so fm has taken this a step farther so
the pint was the first board that we saw
that had these
custom bolts or torx bolts or um
you know
non-standard hardware
uh this is now seen on the rails using a
pint and a gt as an example they use t10
hardware
on the rails
the pint uses t20
custom designed outer hub bolts on the
hub locations
the gt uses either a ry bait or a torx
plus 45 on the outer hub bolts
again we don't know which one it is
because there's no documentation
provided to anyone with what this bit is
there are examples of
writers in the community who ask fm for
this information fm will state that
they're unable to provide this
additionally inside the board so if this
was a pint same location controller in
the front battery enclosure in the rear
there is a battery tray or a bms tray
that fits over top of the bms that's
secured additionally with two very small
torx bits
the interesting thing about the front of
the pint is once you get through
all of the torx bits
to remove the enclosure and remove the
lid the pcb is fastened with phillips
screws
if there was a directive to use torx
i personally don't understand why it's
not completely used or not used at all
it gives the impression that it's only
placed there to make it more difficult
for the user because there are warranty
void stickers that are by my
understanding there to inhibit the
the rider from opening up the enclosures
and once you do that the hardware
becomes much easier to operate with and
harder to damage
the gt charger has been discovered to
have a pcb located right on the charge
end the cause for this is not explicitly
known again we don't have the
information and we don't know if we
don't hear anything from fm for what
this chip is designed to do
but it presumably is capable of
preventing third-party charges from
working on the new gt
uh fm has supposedly been rolling out
seemingly unavoidable and or automatic
firmware updates
uh there are reports from a few riders
that i personally have heard of where
the onewheel plus the predecessor to the
xr which had an advertised top speed of
18 miles an hour
now is much more difficult to get up to
around the 15 mile per hour mark
next point to make here fm is not
servicing legacy hardware anymore this
is in direct contrast to kyle's
statement at 4 30 saying we're still
repairing early generation one-wheel
products and it makes us happy to see
those repairs and keep those products in
the world
this is completely and entirely false
fm does not support repairs on service
of the v1 or the plus and there's no
reason to expect that the xr will not
soon join this list
fm
is not servicing boards with missing
components
again reiterating what kyle stated at
437
it makes us happy to make those repairs
and keep those products out in the world
yet fm fully clarifies that their policy
is to refuse service on any boards that
are missing original internal or
external components
combine this with the serialization
pairing trends across the
now controller and the
bms this means that one missing piece
renders the entire board completely and
unnecessarily inoperable useless e-waste
no matter how new functional or
unmodified the board is
the fm glass door page also seems to
indicate that the company culture has
not been particularly healthy for a long
time
some of the comments especially those
that appear to be directed at julian de
la rue
seem to bear remarkable resemblance to
long-standing community opinions and
well-known open secrets about stories
from insiders within fm
all of these claims
and these points have evidence that has
been sourced by the onewheel community
these all culminate here in a couple
questions specifically for kyle so we
can get into those now or we can talk
about any of the above points or if we
want to answer questions we can do that
too
you had mentioned one thing that i was
surprised by which is that you said that
if uh if
i just want to clarify this is a
question if a vendor of the of these
products gets a board and it doesn't
work
they are responsible for the
repair of it it is my understanding from
what i have heard
that if you are an fm vendor
and there arises a situation where your
board is
the boards that you have in inventory
and are willing to sell are not
functioning properly that is not
something that is handled financially by
the manufacturer that is something that
is your responsibility
who has said that
so i have heard that from a few people
within the onewheel community
that's insane i agree
i feel bad for these poor little 30qs
nobody loves you i love you you had more
output than everybody else back in the
day
okay
so do we want to get into questions we
want to keep going i'll go with
questions okay
so questions for kyle
at 7 43 kyle states that i think there's
a misconception that we are totally
opposed
to uh and we are suing and litigating
companies that are making accessories
for onewheel products for the most part
we are wide open to letting people build
the types of mods and accessories that
they want to build because they enhance
the one wheel community
if fm is now pro third party can you
tell us what your favorite third-party
accessory is kyle
why are you threatening litigation
against lewis
at 640 you state that as a maker an
inventor and a creator myself one of the
most amazing things i see is to the
extent which people have customized
their onewheels and the whole industry
has obviously sprung up around that at
732 kyle states you don't want to ride
somebody else's onewheel you want to
ride your onewheel
so kyle i ask
what makes your board yours
what third party accessories and mods
and customizations do you put on your
personal boards
if fm is now pro third party does this
mean that fm distributors are now able
to support and sell third party
accessories without restriction and
punishment the same third party
accessories that you say give one wheel
additional value i don't mean interrupt
you there but just because i don't i
don't remember if it was head on earlier
what happens if a future motion
authorized service authorized reseller
sells third-party accessories if they
have a separate item i am not a retailer
i don't know i don't i don't have that
contract
uh it is my understanding that you are
no longer an fm retailer if you're
caught selling third-party accessories
and can you give just a couple of
examples of a third-party accessories
are to a one-wheel for people who yeah
so anything that's not sold on the
future motion one-wheel site is
considered third-party so like what are
some what are some very popular ones
that you use so here i'll go grab a
board i'll be right back
because i don't know what those are
myself
hey everybody how's it going
that looks much bigger
so this is my daily this is the one that
i ride to get around town
this has a whole slew of aftermarket
accessories on it
in general there's no best aftermarket
accessories this is defined by what you
want to do so you have this thing that
goes over the wheel
this is a fender so this is a product
made by flight fence this is called the
flight system so the advantage to this
specific configuration is the fender is
very quickly removable is the benefit of
this that you don't get rain all over
your clothes when it's raining outside
how does the benefit of a fender in
general the benefit of this one
specifically at a it's very lightweight
and b it's very easy to clean so
i like to ride off-road i like to ride
trails very frequently
in wet or muddy conditions you can build
up a lot of material in the fender being
able to remove this piece makes it very
easy to clean that out and keep going
uh continuing on the line of aftermarket
accessories tire and bearings
are after marketing this board
specifically uh there are seals on the
bearings to prevent debris from getting
into the bearings prolong in their life
giving you a little bit extra that's
very useful when it snows and like i
go through bbs hd motors like crazy if i
don't pot them properly when it's uh
when it's snowing and they put salt on
the road it'll just just destroy
everything on the
inside another very popular thing to do
for
typically off-road riders is a process
called bad drink so this is
waterproofing the board the one wheel is
not waterproof from the factory it is
water resistant do they offer one uh
waterproofing services for an additional
amount of money
so
you would have to modify it to do that
which is something that's not so making
this liquid resistance you could ride it
in any weather is something that they
would not support correct this is the
same company that advertises riding
stock boards on the beach and through
puddles which are things that there's a
lot of salt will violate your warranty
there's a lot of salt water on beaches
because you have an ocean there and when
they get in the motor it gets pretty
dirty
so continued on the line of aftermarket
modifications on just
what's that oh somebody said mike muted
can you hear me now
okay what all right do we need to back
up i have no idea
all right
what's the last thing people remember
kyle is hijacking the audio that is a
joke by the way you don't have to send
another effing mike mike mike
well your thing all right yeah it works
now because i got both okay so we will
go back to the beginning of so we were
going over accessories you mentioned
that this is an accessory so you asked
about aftermarket modifications and i
very strongly believe that
onewheel is so special because there's
so much aftermarket mic is not
serialized
so i like to think of the onewheel as
the jeep wrangler of
pvs right you can build it to do
whatever you want to do just as people
own jeeps can build them to do whatever
they want to do with it this board
specifically
is what i use to get around town and
what i used to go off-road with so
the parts and the components configured
with it aid in that type of writing so
the rails you'll notice are not straight
i have more clearance in the tail that
allows me to navigate over larger
obstacles and go down steeper hills the
tire
while there's not much of it left
had treads on it at one point providing
more grip for off-road uh the shape and
the contour of the tire is different
which offers you different stability
different control
uh the bumpers are also aftermarket
this gives you
additional clearance additional wear
protection
a little bit of weight savings
uh the biggest thing that you can
probably see on this board here are
what's called flight fins so this is
think of it like snowboard bindings but
you choose when you want to be locked
into them so when you pull your feet
together you're quote-unquote locked
into the board
and flight fins give you the unique
ability to go up things as to where the
board is naturally capable of going
across and down things fins allow you to
do a lot more than you'd be able to do
with the stock board
you'll find that pattern goes forward
with a lot of the aftermarket
accessories and that they provide some
additional value that the manufacturer
is ostensibly not providing
so
there are many many many different ways
to customize onewheel this is just the
first one i grabbed off the shelf to
talk about
that sort of answer your questions yeah
so there's these are a bunch of
different little nice add-ons yeah so
it's not just yeah you can't
go somewhere and pick this configuration
off the shelf you have to build it
yourself
and that's what makes this space really
special right because people take a lot
of pride in building their boards
to what they want to ride so the
question that you see that you have from
paraphrasing is if you do if they
believe that it's a misconception that
you don't support the third party in
aftermarket community then why is it
that the people who sell these products
are not allowed to sell those
accessories i think that's a fair
question i agree
because i mean these like you know just
having a after a fender or a better
bumper or a better tire or a weight
liquid proof bearing so that you can go
through you know salt in the road but by
my understanding it serves to benefit
everybody in that scenario
it's only going to make
accessories more popular it's only going
to
cause more boards to be sold it's only
going to get more people on one wheels
it's only going to benefit everybody
i know if you have a device that's that
you used to for transportation and it's
not liquid resistant to the point where
it would be able to survive salting
grass in the winter in a new hampshire
winter when the roads are yeah so that's
one of the things i tested actually on
this board specifically so i have a
specific way i waterproof my own boards
and i waterproof other people's boards
and i don't just
put silicone on it and expect it to work
i i test it myself before i make it
available i wrote this board every
single day through the winter out here
in new hampshire not once did it fail
so i
take a very serious approach to proving
what i do works before i make it
available
what's that
beautiful nice to see you bob
so i take a very serious approach to
making sure what i offer works and i
i take a very large amount of pride in
truthfully stating that i would not do
anything to any board that i would not
do to my own
yeah like just the ability to avoid salt
water ingress during the winter is
something that if the company i would
understand if the manufacturer offered
that as a service then saying hey don't
offer your own at your own business but
if they don't even offer that as a
service
that that's that's the demand is there
because that would make this a more
popular product of people who want to
get around the winter like if somebody
made a service so that my bbs hd would
not get destroyed every single winter or
i have to open it up for three hours and
go over every bearing i would i
would so i mean
being able to endure those types of
conditions
brings this further away from being
considered as a toy or a recreational
vehicle right this is a utility for a
lot of people this is a replacement for
a car i've used this i've put more miles
on this every single year for the past
four years then i have my car yeah it's
what i think of when i got to go
somewhere people have said that like you
know what when are you going to get a
before i had a car when are you going to
get a real way to get around it's you
know i said i okay within 30 miles of my
store i will beat any car to any
location with less stress not even
including the time you're gonna have to
waste finding parking using my electric
bike and it's not a toy it's a it's a
tool and you roll up to the door you
pick it up you walk right inside yeah
everybody else is spending 20 minutes
looking for parking always paying for
parking you know do i have to put a
construction vest in my driver's seat so
that right so when you begin to
look at this product as a utility in
addition to a recreational vehicle it
requires a different approach to how you
handle it and how you service and
maintain it and when those offerings
aren't available by the manufacturer
again that demand is there somebody's
going to provide it
so what would you have next on the
questions
let's take a look so i also sorry i
don't want to interrupt you there but no
no no no a lot of people watching have
no idea what any of this stuff i didn't
even know the accessories
my favorite part is exposing people to
one wheel
preferably to get them up and ride it so
they can give it a shot but
second to that i love answering
questions about onewheel so if there's
anybody that wants to ask anything feel
free to let me know
all right wanna go forward with this or
do some more questions oh next next on
your next on my list all right where did
we leave off
i should have numbered these
so we talked about third party
accessories uh
can
can fm guarantee that third-party
accessories no longer be stolen from
rider's boards in the service center i
believe you talked about that
uh what specific detailed ip does fm
feel that it was violated upon to the
point where legal action was taken
in regards specifically to the jw
lawsuit
does fm own the rs
485 serial communication protocol
does a onewheel operate properly without
any fm app interaction from a phone
and does fm own the trademark over the
xr logo used to market the onewheel xr
furthermore upon that point how is
future motion able to repurpose the
fedex logo and their advertising for the
gt as at the same and at the same time
strike litigation upon someone for
repurposing the xr logo in a very
similar if not identical fashion
next question for kyle uh you've been
awarded a fairly broad patent protection
on both the design and function over not
only the board as a whole but over many
individual parts
where will you and your company draw the
line exactly on patent enforcement it
seems reasonable for us to assume that
you would vigorously enforce these
patents and defend them as you must in
order to maintain them which leaves it
pretty unclear at as to what accessories
you mean beyond maybe tire seal and
add-on lights that when you say you
support third-party accessories
does fm intentionally patent concepts
products and accessories for the sole
purpose of preventing would-be
competitors from producing them
next question for kyle
are there any software or hardware
measures whatsoever that are present in
the gt intended specifically to prevent
motor interchangeability controller
interchangeability or battery
interchangeability
in fm's public denial of the gt motor
being paired it is mentioned that the gt
motor is paired to neither the
controller or the battery
this in my mind implies that the gt
battery pack itself has pairing and
serialization capabilities is this true
and are the battery packs used within
the onewheel gt paired to any other
components within the onewheel gt
final question for kyle
does future motion have any investors
and if so who are they
what are your investors demanding a
future motion how are you ensuring that
investor interest does not take priority
over company principles and rider safety
and what are those company principles
you're defending
that is my spiel you you i don't know if
i forgot if i wasn't paying attention or
i don't see where where did you bring up
rider safety in this and where where do
you believe there could be a concern for
uh you know anybody who is pressuring
future motion to yeah so there's against
if we want to go back to the bartender
analogy here oh yeah the batteries we
have no idea what's going on here on
newer boards anymore
so we used to be able to see the
individual cell voltages on every single
battery we used to be able to see the
overall pack voltage of the battery we
used to be able to see how much battery
we were regenerating when we were riding
and now none of that is visible to the
user on the newer model xrs or even the
gt i believe
so
that poses a safety risk if
as we've seen on the later model xrs
released in black friday they now have
the 30 qs reintroduced to them and as
we've seen with 4208 these batteries
will go bad at some any lithium battery
is going to go bad at some point this
battery
is
far more likely to go bad
sooner than a vtc six yeah the problem
that i've had with 30 qs is the benefit
of them is that they had amazingly high
output for the price at the time and
they were made by samsung which is a
reputable brand the downside is they go
out of balance so easily even if you
match them really well in the same batch
where i'll have one line of them that's
2.6 volts and another that's 3.9 so that
i'll think that i have this much power
i'll think of like 50 battery and then
it will just cut out so on an electric
bike worst case scenario oh this sucks
i'm pedaling home early oh crap let me
get out of the road and go to the side
because i'm not going to keep up with
the cars because my battery cut off i i
know would the implication here be the
reason it's a safety concern is if your
battery cuts off before you're expecting
it to that since the this device is
balancing you that you would just go
kind of head first that is correct so if
the battery is not functioning properly
the board cannot function properly is
the main safety concern here and i'm
just i'm asking this a question i'm not
saying it as a statement is is the main
issue here that if you think like it'll
say you have 20 battery and then you hit
19 and then it just turns off is that
the safety concern so
when you hit
a dead battery lvc low voltage cut off
in a one wheel the typical and expected
response is that the board does what's
called tail back so that's a specific
type of pushback where the tail will
drop
gradually until it touches the ground
intended to have
the rider unable to proceed
the concern with
having a battery that you cannot see the
state of is you don't know
if this is going to kick in when it
should or not right you don't know and
if you're
pushing this board to what it's
advertised to top out about 19 miles an
hour that's not really a lot of reaction
time if this thing is gonna
incorrectly trigger oh i'm out of
battery and start to tailback especially
if you're in a specific scenario that a
lot of people find themselves in riding
off-road riding on you know rough
terrain it's a lot harder to stabilize
yourself when the board decides oh i
need to tailback and i need to stop
because there's not a single way that's
going to work in every scenario to bring
you to a stop safely so being able to
look at your battery before you even
embark out on a ride and say oh all my
cells are good my voltages are proper
this battery appears safe
this would allow you to ride with more
confidence than you're currently able to
do on a board that does not have that
information so the safety concern is
when the low voltage cut off will kick
in when you expect it to kick in and how
that would allow you to adjust that's
one of the concerns correct
any other questions you want to see what
other people are saying that was my
question let's see what do we have in
here
what is the model cut off for multiple
one wheels is it only the newest models
and related when did future motions
start going bad
and cut your opinion of course
so what is the model cutoff for modable
onewheels so that depends on the
specific model that you're talking about
if we're talking about the xr which is
from what i understand to be the most
popular model of onewheel that cutoff
occurs right in the smack middle of the
4210 generation so one wheel started at
4206 skip o7 go 08 9 10 11 12 13.
at 41 or 42 10 41 44 that is when there
were
software impositions put in to prevent
larger battery packs to be put in the
board so for example i actually have one
here
so this is your stock battery that is
324 watt hours
you have two options
when you buy an aftermarket battery for
a one wheel two major options you have
this right here that is the chai battery
system cbxr
and you have this right here which is
the jw batteries jw xr
both of these will add a significant
amount of range so you're comparing 324
watt hours to 567 watts did you peel the
wrapping on this one that's how it comes
from the factory
the aftermarket one in my opinion looks
nicer than this one it's fully sealed
can we possibly have let me can we just
switch cameras to show this because i
was for sure i don't i think this is
important when we're discussing
batteries and battery safety
let's see if we can get this into the
frame
so that's the stock
one wheel battery for an xr
324 watt hours
15 s 2p and you got the this is yeah so
it's just a single piece of foam you can
actually
start to peel it off it's actually
killing itself off there
that's how they all come from the
factory
compare this to a
cbxr from chi battery systems that's
you don't really see any exposed cells
there
same 15s 2p or no it's a different
configuration
that one just looks cleaner
and more i mean yeah you're paying more
for this batter than you are for yeah a
stock battery
i believe they're a different
configuration
so i'm running i'm running hey i'm
running on overdrive today needs some
more red bull yeah i
do
someone said do you think future emotion
despises fixing their own boards from
all the limitations and restrictions
they put into them
for do you think they hate repairing
their own boards because of the
roadblocks they implement to prevent
their customers from repairing things on
their own
sorry can you pull it up one more time
uh he said start a blue screen there for
a second
yeah so i don't know if i can speak
fully on that uh the impression i'm
given from what i've seen and heard
about with fm is they have a stronger
emphasis to replace parts versus fixed
parts
as to where if
you have a
a general resistor or capacitor go bad
on a board if you bring it into a
third-party repair shop they're going to
replace that capacitor for
a fee as to where if you're using it to
fm they're going to just charge you for
a new bms
if future motion actually cared about
consumer safety what would they be doing
right now to improve their product
instead of what they're doing right now
the number one thing they can do right
now in my opinion
has to do with the xr
so this is the battery box that can
contain
a couple different models of battery so
yep
so this contains the stock battery we
can actually plop him in here
so let me just get that fitted in there
so that's what mine frame
right
there
okay so that's what the stock xr battery
box looks like
this battery box is closed with a lid
over the top of the device
and then that's sealed up with screws
around the perimeter so now if we
completely blow this set up and move
boards around i'm going to bring the
test board in here to actually show this
point
so
so if we're looking at the test board
here
this is just standard how
a battery box goes into an xr i have the
top plate removed the bumper removed and
the rear foot pad removed so you can see
inside of it notice that the bms sits on
the very end of the battery the
batteries at the very end of the battery
box battery sits closer to the tire
this makes the board a little bit easier
to maneuver because the weight's closer
to the center of the tire however
this intersects directly with these two
holes here so this is what's used to
place the foot pad over the top this is
what's going to hold down
the tire side of the foot pad
and
on the lid specifically
you'll notice there are two holes
here
and here
this lid sits underneath of the battery
box and the only threads that can engage
the screw that's placed in this location
sit above this box so there's no need
for a battery from what i understand
working on boards there is no need for a
battery to ever penetrate through that
hole
yet
and this is what i personally understand
to be the cause of most battery fires
if a screw that is sufficiently long
longer than what spec for that hole is
run through by the customer which is in
my opinion made easier because there is
no documentation provided by the
manufacturer to my understanding of what
screw goes into this location you can
actually pierce the battery with the
screw you thread into that hole and
cause a battery fire how would you get
the battery to move over here so this is
with a stock battery this is a more
common problem
with aftermarket batteries that are a
little bit larger
that is not to say that it only occurs
here road only occurs here the problem
we are exclusively talking about right
now is that a screw can penetrate into
the battery box and come into contact
with a battery when the board is riding
or stationary so let's say this if this
was like
is there any scenario under which this
could kind of like you know move over
yeah absolutely so this whole board is
moving around and vibrating and jostling
when you're riding it there's all sorts
of constraints that are moving here and
if you look at a
screw which
i should have no trouble finding
those threads act like little saw teeth
right and those saw teeth
are running right up along the edge of
your battery and when you're vibrating
the board around as you ride it
that's going to be etching into that
battery cell
this can cause battery fires and
i personally do not understand
why those holes have ever existed in the
first place because those screws are not
to my understanding designed to go
further than the thickness of the rail
because there are no threads beneath
that to engage with that's an
interesting design it reminds me of a
very similar manufacturer i'm trying to
think if i can so what their name is on
the tip of my tongue i don't know if
anybody in the chat can remind me
so what you see here and this one this
is actually an extremely mild case
is when those
screws get threaded too deeply
i don't know if we can see focus here
you'll actually etch into that battery
case you didn't say the magic word to
make it focus
yeah so that's a very very mild case if
you are unfortunate enough to find
yourself in the situation where you have
run the longest screw you can find
through the battery box which is
something that we have seen happen
that screw can penetrate all the way
through down almost to the bottom of the
tray which is going to impose a
significantly larger force on the
battery making penetration much more
likely
so to answer your question of what's the
number one thing future motion can do to
make their product safer in my opinion
right now specific to the xr is to take
those two holes out of the box out of
the box lid
what are those two holes there for
so i
personally don't understand the the
screw that they are fastened to or the
screw that's right above them has no
purpose to engage with this lid it
provides no additional support provides
no additional stability
but for some reason it's always existed
here's a question i don't have much
money i wish good luck to jw batteries
lewis is the reason why i started
soldering with my pine sole that's
awesome in a repair business
i wanted a onewheel but i don't like
their shitty practices what should i do
if i buy one
don't face plant i would start with that
that's one of the first
what should some i don't know i suppose
if you buy it you should enjoy it
yeah so it the best part about one
wheeling is dependent on what you want
to do with it right there's people that
buy boards just to ride them
recreationally there's people that ride
them to replace their car there's people
that ride them to
replace all the components and do all
the work to it it really depends on what
you want to do with it
it's a fantastic electronics project if
you know what you're doing your
experience and you're willing to take
the risks
that's on you if that's the directive
you take but a lot of people like to
just take it out and write it as a uh a
recreational device and it's fantastic
for that what did future motion actually
patent do they literally slap a gyro on
a wheel onto a skateboard and now no one
else can that feels too broad for a
patent i believe that there is a link in
this specifically i can't click this
piece of paper to bring it up
shame on you yeah but there's you make
the document public so they can click it
it should be public in the bio oh they
said they needed a google account oh
great
we'll technical problems
yeah so we'll fix it
fm has
a
they have multiple patents over
one wheel components one wheel the
product in general uh
certain prototypes or products that are
currently unreleased there's a lot that
fm has covered legally to make sure that
from my understanding they're the only
ones who can
distribute sell and profit from this
form factor of a product
does changing the tire on a new board
cause issues with warranty or brick the
board
so
we can answer that question in two ways
we can answer it prior to the gt release
and we can answer it post gt release
prior to the gt release it is my
understanding from everything i've seen
up until that point that changing your
warranty or changing your tire under
your own accord will void your warranty
in kyle's specific response that we're
responding to today i don't know if i
have a time stamp here specifically they
claim now that
changing your tire will no longer void
your warranty
uh that is the extent that i understand
that they have set on it uh they have
also
stated they'll be making the tires on
the gt available for purchase that is a
first they've never done that before
so i'm excited to see what that is going
to turn into that's a great first step
forward
but at this point in time it appears
that fm's
policies are changing such that tire
changes will no longer void your
warranty i don't know if that is
dependent on what tire you put on the
board this is just all we know at this
point again we're not
told or given or provided any special
information from the manufacturer
what type of terrain can you ride on a
onewheel
just about anything other than soft sand
or deep mud
so
i take personal preference to riding
like mountain bike trails
uh make sure you're respectful when
you're on mountain bike trails you are
the low man on the totem pole you yield
to mountain bikes horses people all that
but if you find a
safe and respectable place to ride the
board make sure we're in your safety
gear
but it's an unreal experience to be
floating through the woods on this or
float down streets or bike paths it's
really a form of creativity where you
can take it
louis i want to thank you without your
videos i would have been able to help
out the one wheel community back when i
started repairing boards well that's
awesome thank you hector i'm glad you're
able to fix some boards you have to hear
from your meals than i have
are there any alternatives to one wheel
that isn't from a community hating
company also is there a board from
future motion or others that supports
larger riders more than 250 pounds yeah
so the gt is the largest
is the board
let me restart the gt has the highest
advertised power output that has ever
been put into a one wheel
uh
one wheels don't have a top speed they
have a top torque so that extra power
directly contributes to being able to
carry a larger payload of a rider so the
gt is more tuned in general to
accommodate to a heavier writer
is reverse engineering the bms not
possible
it's reverse engineering well i mean i
think
a lot of these questions get very very
specific depending on what model you're
talking about and what revision of each
model is related to you breaking the
main board if you unplug the that and i
think that there you're not even talking
about the bms you would be probably
talking about why the main the main
board breaking itself and you yeah from
the bmx it is extremely difficult to
answer anything on the gt right now
simply because it is so new and it is
extremely difficult to operate on at
this point in time
so monash just joins this guy
representative of one wheel stop baiting
him no he's not he had a specifically 80
page legal letter and notice where he
said he's not a representative of one
wheel nice try though trying to catch
him so he could see it i just love the
product to death
oh mike's off i just love the product to
death
yes
you'd mentioned competitors that had
received cease and desist orders are
there any surviving competitors you feel
comfortable recommending to protect them
maybe not
yeah so
backing up a little bit
fm is first and foremost a software
company
the reason the onewheel is so great is
because the control algorithms used to
balance the board are superior to
anything else that currently exists
there are a couple alternative options
that exist but you're
you're paying a fraction of the cost and
you're receiving a fraction of the
quality as a result
uh one promising venture that's proving
increasingly attractive is something
called vesc stands for vetter electronic
speed controller uh this is an open
source alternative to the controller
that lives in the front of the board
here and that allows you to do some
really cool things so if you are someone
who's more tech savvy or
likes to dive into electronics or the
software development side of things
vest is more tuned for your interest so
you can change literally any parameter
on the board that you desire uh you can
put in different batteries in it
different configurations so long as it's
within spec of the chip
or within spec of the actual vest and we
can actually let me sneak behind you i
actually have one here
but the the thing i love about vesque is
very similar to what i love about one
wheel this is a community developed
product so this is not coming from any
one company one person or one place
that's profiting off of this the the
results the reason this chip exists is
because it's a collaborative effort from
the onewheel community as a whole this
is made to hook into a one wheel battery
so that is made to replace this guy
which is your controller on an xr for
example this
1690 xd60 this xt60 is triggering me
you know why
earlier you said that future motion
hasn't had any update log saying what's
in an update however with the new gt
update future motion in the video saying
what was in it what are your thoughts on
it
yeah so they're now
again by my understanding and what i
know they're starting to share more
information about what has changed
my personal opinion it's all still very
high level
there was a
larger
conflict with how the gt was released
than there was with any other product fm
much to their credit collected a lot of
that information and developed a
firmware update as a result and that's
addressed by my understanding with the
one day it's been out has addressed a
lot of the concerns that the community
had with the gt so it has drastically
improved that product from what i've
been able to uh to listen in on with it
but the the information
i personally am someone who's a lot more
technical than most i believe
the information's not as granular to
describe what's actually changing
because again they want to keep all that
information private to themselves
because that's what they use to sell
their products
the community is now very capable of
using vesc and kitting an entire board
from all the aftermarket parts don't you
believe this will force behavioral
action by future motion
where's that one oh i already got it off
the screen let me find it
yes that's
does not budge on the issue could you
see people building yeah so the really
exciting thing about vesque is it's
always getting better so
the hardest part about
making vesque do what onewheel does is
the the motor control algorithms and
there's a ton of people far smarter than
i am working on this and
again from what i've been able to see
they're making great progress so the
more people that contribute to this
again this is an open source project
the faster
that
vest can start to achieve what a
onewheel is capable of
how did fm send out the message to
restrict your statements email do you
know why the gt weight limit is 275
pounds versus the xrs 300 pounds despite
having more power
so i do not know that question
specifically
um
again one wheels have a top torque not a
top speed
so i would imagine it has something to
do with that
but yeah the short of it is i don't know
did this replace the segway is the
segway still around
the segway was just invented about two
miles from here
uh so can you talk a little bit about
the process that you guys use to figure
out what limitations are or not so one
of the things that i had brought up in a
recent video was serialization of motors
because somebody had tried replacing
their motor and it didn't work when they
swapped it with a different board and um
one of the things that you were bringing
up is that you have to figure out what
the limitations are on any of these
problems yes so again to to beat the
dead horse here
fm doesn't give us any information we
don't know
anything about a product when it drops
other than what we can investigate and
in prior generations of the product
where software locks aren't really a
thing
if you damage a bms trying to test some
specific component on for example not a
problem you can buy another or you can
get another one from the third party use
market drop it in and continue your
testing
that's made harder now that products are
serialized together
but the
general answer to your question of how
do you figure this stuff out is it
really is just trial and error and with
enough people
working to solve a particular problem in
different ways you can sort of tag team
a solution towards what you're trying to
get at i know this is somewhat high
level but it's hard to give you a
general answer to that big of a question
but the short and sweet answer of it is
it's a lot of trial and error
any ideas why future motion hides
battery cell information perhaps because
it allows people to see bad cells on
packs with lower quality cells while
under warranty yeah so i that's i would
also very much like to know the answer
to that question i i don't have an
answer that i can share here we can
talk about speculations all day but
that's not going to get us anywhere
your speculation is similar to what i
would guess but
what does euc
euc is electronic unicycle
so it's like the uh the skiing compared
to snowboarding if you want to think of
one wheel as a snowboard
okay that's about it for questions here
they were good
yeah so i've made it through my massive
stack of paper i don't think we have
anything
here
uh are you guys able to
see this document is it accessible
oh fantastic you can't even see it yeah
you if they make it public
give me one second i'm gonna see if i
can do that
he's doing it folks he's doing it
if you could eat with kyle we'll talk
about this in person what kind of place
would you choose to dine at casey's rib
shack i would go to casey's rib shack
why is he so tall he probably has
superior genetics to me that's probably
it superior genetics and probably better
nutrition as a kid but admittedly
nutrition only gets you so much like
maybe max like be initial two inches
taller all right give that a refresh see
if you can join on now all right you
should you guys should be able to see
that document now it's in the link in
the description i see nico is here hello
niko
any drinks tonight no
no i've had enough
red bull only red bull i made two you
know honestly everything that i've
learned about health over the course of
my life i'm just about to throw away i
made two pr's at the gym today i went
from being able to do 20 pull-ups to 21
and being able to do six deadlifts at
315 to eight deadlifts at 3 15 and i've
drank an entire bottle of whiskey twice
this week so pretty much everything i've
learned about health i just i'm very
close to throwing away you've got to
keep it out it didn't actually work
like nothing okay what do we have here
louis is so short yes yes i am who's
shouting in all caps there
thank you to chat for being more
professional and civil that helps thank
you sonia for being a good mod
uh okay the questions are getting
stupider who do you think is better
questions are fun who do you think is
better eyebrows probably you you got the
better left one i got the better right
one let's see what do you think of the
one wheel bofa i don't know what a bofa
is let's just skip that one
so by understanding if remove warranties
void stickers are illegal what is
stopping people from filing a lawsuit is
because future motion is the only
company like this i think and i could be
wrong here but i think there's something
about private right to action where this
is something where you'd have to
complain to the ftc of the attorney
general and then you have your attorney
general or the ftc actually do something
unfortunately and i'm probably gonna get
in deep with several people for
saying this the ftc has proven
themselves in my opinion to how do i put
this
i like that there are some real fire
breathers in the ftc right now but it
doesn't look like they understand how to
manage enough to actually get everybody
else to buy into their vision and as a
result i'm not expecting much
enforcement from the ftc on any of these
issues i'd love to be proven wrong
please prove me wrong please manage the
ftc better than i manage my all of
a business but if uh but like i would
love to see it happen but at this point
in time i'm hearing from multiple
different sources and multiple people
that like you know again knocking on the
door the ftc probably is not the way for
me to actually get change done which is
kind of disappointing to me given the
amount of time and resources and effort
i put into providing the ftc everything
that they could ever possibly want
regarding the right to repair issues
that we talk about that was discussed in
joe biden's executive order but yeah
again
it's really going to be up to them so
you complain to the ftc the ftc enforces
this with companies it's just they there
needs to be a kick in the ass for that
to happen
yeah
please ask lewis rosson about his rack
yo i'm up here
prick let's see next
i think louis should try to ride a one
wheel next i agree too much whiskey this
week to drive the wrong way let's see
that makes it easier
how tall are you i'm five six
it's a combination of bad childhood
nutrition engine probably shitty
genetics i'm on stilts too by the way
let's see
i will work at your store in any time
for 70k yearly
um yeah i'm not hiring right now
uh let's
need
more come on we need some more good
questions here some good questions
usually end the stream once the
questions become all trash can you talk
more about the new gt tire motor size
does it offer any benefits or is it
totally okay that's a good using
aftermarket tires it's swapping and
repairing that's a good question so
in general tires all come in inch
increments right that's a quote-unquote
standard size
the gt is somewhat peculiar in this
regard because the the diameter of the
bead on an xr a pint of v1 a plus every
one wheel model prior to the gt has been
six inches this means for the most part
barring certain width considerations you
can take any six inch tire
appropriately size for one wheel and
it's going to work on the majority of
the hubs
the gt specifically for some reason is
six and a half inches this could be for
very realistic constraints such as
thermal performance
but what this means is now the
bead diameter of the tire is larger so
none of the
standardized or aftermarket options
tire-wise will work on the gt
this is somewhat frustrating because
the biggest change you can make to how a
onewheel specifically behaves is the
tire you put on it right i can change
how this board feels just by changing
the pressure in the tire let alone the
model
and when you restrict an entire
community who's very well passionate
about modification of their boards to
only two options a slick and a treaded
it's naturally going to get people upset
adding a little bit of fuel to that fire
there's been some problems i've
personally seen with gts where the tires
are somewhat out of tolerance and if
you're on a car for exa if you're in a
car for example that's just an
inconvenience because now your steering
wheel is shaking your car's vibrating
you have this weird noise but when
you're on a one wheel and your tires out
of tolerance the board you are
physically balancing on is now vibrating
and that can be a risk so
that sets an interesting precedent for
how that's going to be fixed because you
can no longer you can no longer just go
buy an aftermarket tire and put it on
yourself as you can do on any model of
one way or one wheel prior to the gt
so
what people have started doing at least
what i've seen is you prop up the board
you grab a nice metal file or a rasp and
you just work down the high spots on the
tire it's not the proper solution it's
not the best solution in my mind but
it's what works and what's easiest
for the current time being
can you talk about error code 23 i was
sent into it in the gt at 19 miles per
hour on a stock gt seems tail drags are
more dangerous than nodes dives
yeah so the gt has a
notorious behavior with uh tail drags
uh specifically when you get it up in
the air and you land the tail lights to
come down but error 23 to answer your
question specifically here
your bms and your controller are always
talking to each other uh the controller
is going to ask the bms for this much
power the vms is going to give that much
power the whole conversation goes on
that way
and
on newer model boards that conversation
has a side talk to it where the
controller will ask the pms for
something go oh by the way what's your
what's your serial number then bms will
give the serial number back and if those
numbers don't match
the board the controller is going to go
oh i see a problem this bms is not the
one that i came off the factory line
with and it's going to cause the board
to tail back
so
there's in general two ways you come off
the board there's
tail back or up tail back there's um
push back where the tail is going to
work itself to the ground to in an
effort to get you to dismount the board
or you overpower the motor in what's
called a nose dive where you're
traveling at a high rate of speed the
board sinks and you go over the front
the way the board
prevents you from continuing to ride is
with an aggressive style of pushback
that will gradually reduce the tail of
the board until it touches
error 23 is one of those ways
that that is caused
it can trigger for reasons that it's
designed to do such as if a bms is
exchanged
and they're serialized
there's also instances where the air 23
can occur faulty so if you have one of
these wires for example so if we look
back at this guy can we flip over to
this camera
so these are all the cables that go into
your
battery box specifically in the xr you
have similar cables on the pint but you
have your xt60 that's delivering power
to your controller you have your
communication harness which is
delivering the communication from the
bms to the controller and you have the
headlight or the tail light cable which
is running the red and the white lights
on the back
these harnesses
in my opinion are not managed in the
best possible way these thin little
wires are highly susceptible to breaking
or pinching or tearing
and if you're unfortunate enough to nick
tear or damage one of the green or the
white wires what handles the rs485
serial
the board can no longer communicate with
the controller and it's going to throw
an air one of those errors it can throw
is an error 23.
that damage on the wire can occur
literally any point between this
connector here
all the way up the harness to this guy
here even potentially onto the
controller itself
so this is
particularly concerning on the harness
you'll notice there's a bit of a bend in
it reason being if we flip
chessboard guapo over here
onto the top
you'll notice that the harness was still
in frame kind of
so we can tilt this up
yeah so if we pull that
up now can we actually see what i'm
talking about here
so the harness has to bend around the
axle block this is somewhat of a tight
radius in certain circumstances
depending on how you configure your
board there's aftermarket axle blocks
that can alleviate or accentuate this
problem but
depending on how this is either
assembled at the factory or managed by
the uh the owner of the board you can
impose a higher tension on that cable or
a bend and you can tear wires inside the
harness that angle is kind of it is
absolutely killer over here can you hear
this oh yeah i can actually try and find
a flashlight too if that helps
actually oh check this out what
oh
you almost look like you know what
you're doing now i know it is okay so
this is the bulkhead connector this is
16 pins that plugs directly into the
controller this is all the wires that
the battery box needs to talk to the
controller if we pin this down a little
bit
this harness moves down here
over and around over the axle block down
a little bit more
right there
up
we're almost there right there so we're
going to navigate below the axle block
we're looking at the bottom of the board
right now
that gets pinched underneath and there's
a little plate that fits over top to
constrain the cable in there that then
bends back down and up and goes into the
battery nut uh or what i call the cinch
nut on the battery box if you pan down a
little bit further here
further further further right there
so that's where all the wires go into
the harness
another thing you have to be careful
specifically on this guy can't have this
tightened down too much so if you shrink
that diameter where's my hand if you
shrink that diameter too much you can
pinch those little tiny wires anywhere
along this entire line this entire
length that you risk pinching that wire
you risk error 23 amongst a couple other
things this is
insane to me that little that right
angle that's being made over there
that's just this guy here yeah like
right a little bit to the left like
right that's painful
yeah so this is how all
all one wheels are wired up so that then
can be a little bit more gradual a
little bit more severe depending on how
the actual
harness for that board is assembled that
part hurts
but it is
somewhat common to see damages to the
harness
and if a wire breaks up here for example
you pretty much have two solutions you
can send this back to fm and you can buy
an entire new battery box or
i'm not explicitly aware if they'll sell
just the harness but they'll put a new
hardest on it if that's possible
the way i fix these is i will remove the
harness entirely from the enclosure cut
up to remove all of this shrink wrap fix
and solder the actual cable put it back
in shrink wrap it all down and you
shouldn't be able to see any difference
between it
could it be that they switched to metric
dimensions on the wheel hub
6.5 inches equals
165.1 millimeters and how is the
charging pack was it a dell charging
compact yeah so let's let's touch on the
tire question first and we'll bounce to
that next one uh again we're not told
anything by fm so we don't know the
reasoning and the logic behind the fm
tire
the first thing that comes to my mind
personally is it has the potential to
offer better thermal performance because
it has more material to soak that heat
however more material is also more
weight so that exactly contradicts that
point this is a challenging front and we
were sort of talking earlier about how
we
determine what problems there are on
boards uh a whole bunch of guys within
the one wheel group went down to ride in
arkansas a few weeks ago and you know
some guys have gt some guys have xrs and
one thing that was noted by that group
is that the gts were overheating
significantly more frequently than xrs
we don't know why that is it's just an
observation that was made so
it brings into question at least in my
mind i would imagine in a few others
of
why that was designed to be six and a
half inches because i personally don't
understand
the the point of it i can see the
reasoning behind wanting to
solely manufacture and distribute the
only 6.5 tire for a onewheel
but i can't say for certain if that was
the reason for it
okay this is a challenging one but it's
a good one isn't the long screw versus
aftermarket battery argument kind of
proving future motion's point just might
be worth thinking about how to describe
the issue better because you were saying
that it's only going to go through there
if you have an aftermarket battery
that's larger than the original in there
so it's not only going to happen on
aftermarket
mic'd up it's not only going to happen
on aftermarket battery it is possible to
happen on both the issue is not what
battery goes in the back the issue is
that you can pierce into the volume of
the battery box with a screw
and the manufacturer has not put out any
documentation or
made any announcement to my
understanding to say don't do this
so how like how would this pierce this
battery because the screw is to the left
of that battery yep so keep in mind like
i'm being i'm just being here
this is foam this is compressible right
this whole board is vibrating around
let's say
you're
you and i are riding trails
and you hit this awesome jump it looks
super cool but the board comes out from
under you
and it you know comes through there and
it lands on its side
that battery
is going to compact into that screw
that's okay now so again this whole
board is at mid at minimum vibrating
around so that when you fall and tumble
that battery is experiencing a
significant amount of force within that
pack and because there's slop
significant force see bumbling
significant force there you go lucky
this survived
yeah so
i don't know if the camera is going to
be able to pick this up i'll switch over
and but you can see how much that
battery is moving around
i will zoom in for you a moment
at some point i'll learn which way to
zoom in and zoom out there we go caleb's
gonna really like seeing his sticker on
my test battery
go watch push back podcast if you
haven't seen it yet
highly highly recommend holding the funk
so let's go cool so if we uh if we move
the battery around you can see how much
i can sort of shake it around vibrated
inside that pack
right the one of the advantages
i very strongly believe with an
aftermarket battery is it's larger and
you don't have that room for it to
vibrate around that battery is going to
be snugly fit inside that battery box
and you don't have that
freedom for the pack to move around
within it it's very well constrained
within that battery pack because it's
within that battery box because it's
designed to fit it to the greatest
capacity as possible i'll never touch a
board in my life but i love seeing
videos and streams on this keep it up
thank you george
let's see what do we have so
if we can stay on that topic for one
more second here oh yes so the battery's
not the only thing that can move around
the bms also let's get that on is
capable of moving around zoom that a
little bit
so let's look at the bottom here
so and keep in mind in all fairness here
the battery lid is removed so there's
going to be a lot more room to move
around right now but the point is still
valid
there's no screws or bolts holding this
guy down right here i'm very specific in
where i touch this so i don't shorted or
damage anything here
but there's nothing that's going to hold
that down other than the cables that are
plugged into it em-3v doesn't use any
bolts or anything but they have this
it's like a piece of foam that's sticky
on one end and then silicone around the
sticky foam on top of a piece of plastic
so that it's like it's not moving
anywhere so none of that exists here i i
was under the impression that since you
had taken this apart you're using it
since you had taken this apart yeah i
won't i won't touch a flathead over
there but
since you had taken this apart i figured
that if there were any sort of material
holding it in place that you removed it
to make it easier to plug in different
components what do we see right here it
comes from the factory like that what we
see right here and this this specific
battery box is in the process of
modification to accommodate for an
aftermarket battery
uh the main differences between this and
a stock pack actually if we can zoom in
a little bit here
so this wall has been removed to clear
out room
for
the extra cells which are up
mayan frame here right there so that
wall is present on a stock battery pack
but what the bms specifically rests on
is those nice little comfortable plastic
ribs i don't know if you can see those
right there
but it's just a little bar of plastic
there's no foam there's no insulation
there's no vinyl nothing that would
never happen to any m3ev battery so
again this entire board is vibrating
around when you're riding it so this bms
actually i have a dead one here we can
touch and not damage
this bms
is
moving around significantly inside of
that battery box and what that can cause
and i don't know if i have one here i
actually do
what that can cause is you can actually
start eating through the back of the bms
and if this gets severe i don't know if
you can see
some of those wear lines
i'm trying to get a glare on the light
so let me get a nice pointy tool
so i can tell just by looking at this
bms
if this was one that was shipped in for
example for a pair
where is this frame
you want to focus
just the whole bms in general i'm trying
to get the glare so i can tell if this
was to show up at my shop i can tell
this came from an xr specifically
because it has those wear lines in it
right that is
physically eating to the conformal on
the back of the chip if the conformal is
present
and eating into the back of the board if
it's a severe case
so there are certain
i don't know if it's a counter measure
but there's certain things you can do
to prevent and mitigate that wear but to
my knowledge that has never been done by
the manufacturer
to the battery box on the xr
see
what what upgrading a trotter with a
vest bigger battery and better motor
cooling might be an easier long-term
solution if a future motion won't
cooperate yeah so that's it's possible
again the best depends on what you want
to do with it there's no one best
anything here
that in particular sounds like a whole
lot of work uh cooling alone will take
you a while on this type of product it's
very very compact and high power when
will you ship josh to canada so you can
show off wicked modded onewheels invest
to linus media group for awareness
i would love to that would be a treat
that's not a bad idea at all i've heard
they got nice trails up there too that's
enough to get me up there for a week
i don't know tag linus ask him to do it
do a video with josh linus let me know
if you want to ride a onewheel
he would probably be much more open to
riding it than i would right now we
should get you two to race oh god how
hard let's see uh was the next one there
was one
has anyone pressured adam savage or
corridor crew
or celebrities or influencers to comment
on this
i would love to hear adam or ren for
example's input on this
i'd be interested in adam savage's input
yeah
okay where is any of you know adam
savage
let us know makes complete sense thanks
for explaining that was the guy that
asked about the batteries fantastic
yeah with louis rossman gamers nexus and
all the others that cover products in
depth and challenge manufacturers bs why
do you think companies think they can
still get away with anti-consumer
actions without significant backlash
okay so what i'd like you to do is i'd
like you to take a graph from
socialblade that shows my subscribers
from 2012 to 2022 and then apple stock
price from 2012 to 2022. then i'd like
you to do another one of rich rebuilds
subscribership from the when he started
his channel to now and then tesla's
stock price from then to now we
literally have no effect it's like it's
literally margin of error if anything um
yeah
because it works
all right i'm having fun with these
questions is there any more oh there's a
ton let's see i'm just
how many people we got in here
we have
1309 people
a few okay
at the top i think it was like 15 or
1600.
okay let's
congrats on the 315 pounds eight
deadlifts it's do you deadlift sumo or
regular regular i don't know how to do
sumo without increments pain i don't
know how that works shoes are barefoot i
was barefoot for
i usually start with shoes and then i do
barefoot for the heavyset thank you for
being a light in the world ah i
appreciate i don't think i'm a light but
thank you i just think i forgot to move
the light out of frame there we go this
is a light on the world but again
it belongs over there
what is your favorite mod besides a tire
that you've done to your board i don't
want to buy a new one wheel and i keep
modding my 4209 xr because i can fix it
yeah so i'm going to sort of overlap my
answer here with favorite and best
depends on what you want to do with it
my favorite place to ride these boards
is in general off-road
so i particularly enjoy flight fins just
because i i like that locked in feeling
i like that comfort that it provides
when i can just bomb down a trail and
feel secure
so that's probably my number one answer
here
who in the right mind engineered this
how is any of this safe the bms thing
was surprising to me after because if
you look there's a video i did on the
live channel two years ago of opening up
an em3 v battery and you can see the way
they mount the bms it's not screwed in
there but again you could see that they
have the dual sided foam sticky thingy
and then silicone stuff around it like
it doesn't move around and it's pretty
shock resistant actually here's a really
good point to talk about from oscar so
chai battery that's a great point to
bring up so aftermarket companies are
aware
that these screws are a problem and to
date to my understanding fm has not done
anything to make aware or address the
problem of skewering longer battery or
longer screws into the battery box
aftermarket companies specifically in
that comment
uh chai battery systems who makes the
cbxr
have little stainless steel plates
into internal to the battery what this
means is
instead of that screw if you're
unfortunate enough to put one too deep
into the rail it's going to rub against
that steel plate and now you have at
least a non-zero amount of barrier
to prevent that screw from rubbing into
the battery
that's also part of the advantage you
get from going to
like an sls shop for example because we
can put those steel shims in
no matter what battery there is
oh that was a good one but i scrolled
past it go back come back do you think
the reason future motion didn't put a
new motor on the board is because future
motion thought they could have been
lying and didn't want to risk putting a
replacement motor into the world
huh i'm confused
so if we're talking about the gt
the the motor is comprised of two parts
right so let's actually here let's get
some motor parts out
so i just so happen to have one right
here
so this is the three main components to
an xr motor
this is your powerhouse this is your
muscle this is what gets the board to
turn
this is your hub this is what the tire
attaches to all that is is copper coils
there's nothing fancy and three hull
sensors i like how browns they are
yeah so there's a reason that one's out
of the board doesn't work anymore it
looks like mine
so this is your motor this is the the
beads that your tire can flip to this
camera real quick
so this is the the motor that
uh the hub to the motor on the xr this
is the bead that the tire attaches to
standard six inch diameter nothing
special magnets on the inside
this guy here slots inside of that hub
this is what your motor is comprised of
you have a plate that goes on the top
this part here
what's called the stator
has not changed since the onewheel plus
at least
functionally the
assembly appears again we have no
information from the manufacturer on
this this is what we're able to
inspect attack measure what have you
the the stator design itself appears to
not have changed it's the same exact one
that's in the pint it's the same one
that's in the gt it's the same ones in
the plus saying it's in the xr the only
thing that changes
is the plug on the end of it
or the axle piece that's pressed into
the middle
so
the power isn't so much dependent on
the motor or the stator inside the motor
as much as the controller and the bms
and the battery that's driving it
if that answers the question that i
already forgot what it was wouldn't be
anytime soon linus is currently sick
with covet that's a fine time to write a
onewheel it gives me time to ride over
there
linus is a supporter of right to repair
he does appear to be
hope he gets better
louis why don't you open startup one
wheel board
we gotta get you on a wheel first uh the
reason i'm not starting another company
is because i already almost destroyed my
first company
yeah when i fix my my repair
shop and make that solvent again i'll
start focusing on starting other
companies
i had a small loan of a million dollars
if somebody would give me a small loan
of a million dollars
let's see
what do we have next
linus and socks and sandals on a
onewheel now i'm pretty sure we'll kick
them out that's iconic there's probably
a mod that exists that will like notice
if you have socks and sandals and just
you know puncture one of the batteries
it's light on fire to get you off of it
did you ever consider getting into
youtube yourself i'd love to watch you
record stream your work i was bitching
at him last time yeah so lewis has been
pushing me to uh create a channel here
it's something i've been thinking about
for a while
just do it uh you know what i might uh i
might throw a channel up here soon like
you have to look at like the first
repair videos i did if you have any sort
of doubts as to your skill set or
whether it'll like they sucked like
honestly the first three years of my
channel were absolute dog and
people still watched it anyway so like
there's really yeah hey i'm not opposed
to the idea of throwing up just a live
stream any once a while i use them in
the shop answering questions like this
i'm having fun right now i used to use
mold denim wire for jumpers i used to
use uh what was it
it was just like green there was this
conformal coating pen that didn't use uv
that just looked like spooj all over the
board
i think i used lvds wire that almost
looked like speaker wire for my jumper
it was trash like my first videos are
absolutely trash and everybody you have
to get the shitty videos out of the way
in order to get to the good ones right
but everybody will forget the shitty
ones
yeah i hope you're right unless you
mention them on a live stream they're
gonna be real shitty i'm gonna warn you
at which point they're all gonna go back
and look at them and laugh at them oh
well
uh let's see
how far would 1800 get you into making
your own
so
this is what i do with all my boards
i have only ever bought one board from
fm that was my first one
every other board the multiple that i've
had and still have are all purchase used
uh reason being you get a very
significant amount of savings uh going
use route
uh
the benefit to someone looking to get
into one wheel right now as opposed to
when i got into it you have an entire
national network to leverage on and an
entire community who is invested
in integrating you into this sport
so
if you're looking to learn anything the
the facebook groups the subreddit
literally any public outlet for one
wheel is going to welcome you with open
arms that's just the nature of the sport
but if you're looking to build a board
for 1800 bucks my recommendation get on
marketplace
look at what's close to you find a
couple links hop over to one of those
groups or reach out to your local
service provider at
stokelifeservices.com
see what they think of it pick it up
and have them run a full inspection on
it make sure it's good to go
any interesting thoughts or news on the
pintx
pintx so
before the pintx existed i used to say
that the onewheel xr is the best board
to ride the pint is the best board to
carry
and if you put that on a spectrum the
pinex sits right in the middle now
because the the pint has the the
frequent
drag if it doesn't go far enough
but the pine x with a little bit more
weight now goes that stock range of the
xr so that is extremely powerful for a
lot of people in a more urban
environment
uh it makes commuting much more viable i
actually got one recently and i've
really been enjoying it
so yeah i mean if
if you live the type of lifestyle where
a pineax suits you well
absolutely go for it
yeah just be aware in general you're
going to get more stability and speed on
an xr you're going to get more
nimbleness
and responsiveness on a pint
collin did a video on linus second
channel short circuit about the pine
decks but they didn't address any of the
issues with future motion right to
repair i mean he's a big right to repair
supporter so i'm confident that given
the opportunity or chance or time
because he's got a bunch of different
topics he talks about that he'd be open
to mentioning it
you're not going to know everything
about everything when you're talking
about so many different devices on a
regular basis so i don't blame him for
that do i just need jw chip for 4212 to
see voltage in cbxr depends on the
firmware so there is a
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there's an
outlet you can reach out to on jw
battery's website they can first they
can for sure help you out all you have
to tell them is your hardware and your
firmware revision and they're going to
let you know what you need to get is it
illegal for a service company like
yourself tronics fixed northridge fix et
cetera license or not use warranty void
stickers
i don't i'm pretty sure if it's going to
be illegal for the manufacturer that
it's simultaneously going to be illegal
for me but here's the thing i don't know
again i don't know if this if this just
pertains to opening the case of the
device or the screws of individual parts
of the device the but i would be leaning
towards a no we used warranty voider
from move stickers in 2014 and 15 after
we had an experience where somebody
swapped out the board with some
something else and admittedly even after
those stickers were messed with in the
future we never really voided warranties
based on it was just a tool to allow us
to gauge whether or not we were being
scammed but around 2016 we stopped doing
it all together because it really served
no purpose and which is the waste of
stickers and money but i would imagine
that it is that it is indeed illegal
yeah so we should have been doing it
within the context of working on one
wheels here i don't speak for every shop
here i speak just for myself i don't
ever have an urge to get into those
stickers because
again the most valuable thing here is an
informed consumer and if you want to
learn how to work on your board i want
to help you get there
so if you know if you're interested to
learn how to do that type of stuff it's
to neither benefit me nor you to put a
warranty sticker on it
has the one where people reached out to
you for some sort of discussion and
would you take the offer if they would
so i have not received any input from
future motion in any capacity i like
many people would love to engage in a
conversation with them on this
uh that is
completely up to them at this point
we've tried to reach out from an sls
perspective on multiple occasions and
have yet to hear a response
these people would love the ability to
work on their products they want to
provide an amazing experience for their
customers they are directly financially
interested in the company staying in
business and continuing to produce these
products because if they stop producing
the products then he'll have less to
actually be able to repair and you know
future motion has done a lot to actually
get people involved and excited about
this as a product so everybody here is
interested in them doing very well
explicitly i do not speak for sls but i
have a very strong inclination that they
would agree that
we want to work with future motion very
very much it would be
from what i understand what i've been
told to the benefit of all parties
involved if we can begin to provide the
services
uh in an oem capacity linus employee
here why are we talking about us so much
uh somebody you guys need to ride one
wheels call me yeah so somebody in the
chat alex by the way i'll make you a
month somebody in the chat asked uh if
linus would want to ride a one uh if i
would fund josh going to canada to show
linus about uh talk to linus i will ride
my onewheel to canada to linus to do it
and then a bunch of people just started
kind of going off of that uh but that's
about that no let's make this a thing
this is going to be fun but yeah they
and then they all started talking about
other random stuff in there
let's see linus call me you know you
want to ride one
you have a better chance of getting him
to ride it than me
we'll see about that let's see
what do we have here
what's this
thank you tina b that's very kind of you
i thought that's a taco bell
you're hungry aren't you might be i'm a
little bit hungry too it's about time to
get out of here okay was it a dell
charging connector says lgr fbs
i'm sorry what was that what is it a
dell charging connector what is it
i believe he's referring to the gt
charge connector oh
by my understanding no so i actually did
look into that after the first video
uh from what i was able to find it does
not look to be the same charger from
what i currently understand it appears
to be a proprietary port considering mod
ability repairability of the xr and
contrast of the gt how long do you feel
the gxr will remain relevant fantastic
question justin thank you so much
the xr in my mind is still king
i personally do not care if the gt can
hit 90 miles an hour and go for a
thousand miles because if it breaks i'm
not able to fix it
so
no matter what brakes on this guy i know
how to work with it and there's a
certain amount of comfort and therefore
value in the xr platform for me
for that reason alone i see the xr
living a very long lifetime past today
because i believe a lot of other people
have that perspective as well i would
love for gt to do the same thing
it just hasn't been out long enough to
know if that's the case
do you think it would be possible to
reverse engineer the 42 13 1455 plus bms
firmware to be able to report to cell
voltages would make modding more
accessible to later x armor so it would
be extremely difficult i'm not going to
say it's impossible because that's just
not a good habit to get into but it
would be
extremely difficult expensive and
time-consuming to get through the
encryption that i believe is present on
that revision
yeah so it's one thing if they encrypt
that data it's another thing if they
take it out entirely
uh let's see
and also we haven't wait hold on
if it hasn't been explicitly said yet
everything that i and we are talking
about is purely based on experience none
of this is being communicated as
explicit fact this is just what is
personally in community known to be the
most accurate information at this time
did lewis miss anything was wrong about
future emotions since now they're
threatening i'm going to cover this in a
video tonight because i literally didn't
get the legal notice from them until i
was at the gym about 20 minutes before i
came here but there is that was quite a
surprise yeah that was a surprise
but uh i i can
so i'm going to do a video on that
tonight the absolute tldr of it is there
were several people that reached out to
me about changing the motor and saying
that it didn't work when they changed
the motor when you have the fact that
they did the thing with the battery
where when you unplug the battery it's
going to break the board that
seems like an extension of that and the
people who are reaching out to me with
that information were trusted
technicians some of the same technicians
that confirmed the error on the board
when you unplug the battery the way
everybody figures this out is by
unplugging things and messing around
they said okay there may have been some
other error that caused this to happen
so there is a chance that they are not
serialized so i am going to be
addressing that in a future video now
the interesting thing is in that video i
showed you a customer service email to
ticket history where they said we will
not fix this board if you send it back
to us there's not much that we that we
will be able to do for you so without
the motor yeah so if
let's say there was something else that
was causing a motor to not work with
that we're not going to know what it is
because they were not willing to service
it which is again a big part of the
problem that we are discussing here so
let's say there was something else wrong
with that board that was causing no
other motor that was putting it to
actually function
how do you know when the company's
unwilling to fix it even for money
but yeah there is a chance that i was
wrong about the serialization issue and
i'm going to be covering that in a
future video
as you guys know if you watched the any
of the henrik whose be kaser trial i've
defended apple against an independent
repair shop owner and a parts vendor
when they were correct so i have
absolutely no problem eating crow if i
am indeed wrong about something and i
did do four follow-up videos to that
without a law firm reaching out to me so
if i am wrong about that i will be
covering that in the follow-up video
that i released tonight most likely
tomorrow actually i'll film it tonight
but i have comcast internet new
hampshire not fio so
it's actually it's usually better if i
take a flash drive and give it to a
pigeon to fly off to send to youtube
two quick things to add on to that so
the situation you're under here is not
unique right that's how we learn
everything here we can make
a discovery in in one direction and very
quickly realize that this is not correct
or it can be something that's discovered
long a long way down the line that we
have to correct
this is part of the inherent problem
with not having a streamlined direct and
efficient
line of communication with the
manufacturer
this is a situation that's unique to fm
right we don't have these problems
talking to e-bike companies or scooter
companies eocs e-boards this is if you
could send an email and say hey by the
way what happens if i unplug the battery
like you know what is the
that would allow you to know exactly if
you go to fm let's say you lose one of
these outer hub bolt screws for example
and you ask them hey what's the size of
the screw for this
it's a standard quarter inch drive 3 8
screw i believe
they won't tell you that they'll say we
don't have that information available to
share
it's just i don't personally understand
it
but that's the direction they're
choosing to operate in
let's see
thank you for an excellent response to
kyle's video your responses were concise
and professional i hope future motion
watches this live stream thank you
oh thank you sonia
did the legal notice make you deadlift
harder or worse
better because i actually work okay i
recorded it but i accidentally mounted i
put my my little action camera on the
the place where you hold the weights and
it fell right off so you can only see
the first three deadlifts but i usually
am only able to do six deadlifts for a
set uh six deadlifts at 315 and i did
eight so i want to thank uh kyle and the
lawyers at future motion for giving me
the the incentive that i needed with
that to get two more deadlifts than i've
ever gotten in my life so when i was 188
pounds that was the most i've ever
weighed i got six deadlifts at 315. now
i weigh 159 pounds and i got eight
deadlifts at 3 15. and i i i will credit
future emotion with that
what one wheel should i buy says ass
underhill the one you can afford
and
josh seems biased a little bit towards
the xr
for myself personally yes but the
best is relative to what you want to do
with it
what one wheel
where to buy old onewheel models
marketplace is a fantastic outlet to
find things that are local to you
have there been a follow-up lawsuits for
the people who have been killed by
operating the one wheel says wes
so
there are a number of
class action lawsuits i'm not familiar
with them
uh surrounding exactly that wrongful
death injury but i i i'm not too
familiar on it to speak with it
how much do you weigh 159 pounds what's
your max bench i don't know my max bench
the last time i ever tried was 285 but
that 285 is also back when i can only do
seven to eight reps at 225 now i can do
11 reps at 225
so it's possible but i haven't tried for
max in a long time i've been trying to
beat dan's record which is 12 reps of
225 and he talked some last week so
i have to get this done in the next week
or two or else i'm just gonna be eating
crow every single day that i go to work
it's important that you demoralize your
employees as much as humanly possible
i'm not going to be able to do that if
one of them out benches me okay
just kind of want to like ground their
morale down into little pieces of dust
okay like
what happens if we unplug the battery
yeah so i mean that's a typical response
justin we we asked them a question that
from my understanding is extremely
reasonable to ask what happens if we
unplug it and we don't get an answer
we're just
reiteratively told don't do it
and the risks aren't really communicated
there and the
the consequences both good and bad
if there are good and bad also aren't
communicated we're just told not to do
it
it sort of feels like we're being
treated like children to some degree
in my opinion
i think we've gotten to the end of
you've forgotten that you were writing a
one wheel and then remembered yeah so
you ride these things for
one season
not even yeah even a month it really
does become an extension of your body
you don't think about
like
you don't have a throttle stick in your
hand like with a uh a e-board you don't
have handlebars like at the bike you
just lean through you want to go you you
really don't think about it
it's a very freeing and natural
experience
yeah what have we tapered off to how
many people
did you find out about befang and
serialized motors was it bs the fang is
an entirely separate company altogether
and see
why is bald kirk cameron the thumbnail
that's the ceo of future motion that's
not kirk cameron
what can you say about the gtxr mod
nothing right now
uh it's definitely an interesting
solution to a problem that appears to be
quite relevant can one wheels handle
rough mountain dirt roads with potholes
everywhere that's most of the terrain
yeah if you put a board under a very
capable rider i think most people will
be surprised with what these things are
capable of there's a very large amount
of people who
can take these things on mountain bike
trails that most people would think are
not possible to write on
toilet paper over or under well i
usually prefer to have it under but
apparently in the patent for toilet
paper it's over i know this because i
was having an argument with a girlfriend
who is now an ex-girlfriend because we
would spend one or two or five hours
arguing about things like this where
she'd bring up the patents for toilet
paper which is um
yeah anyway
best a relationship in the past but
anyway it is indeed the toilet paper is
supposed to go over that is how it is in
the patent however in my home
i have an unauthorized toilet paper mod
where the toilet paper is under
i also prefer bidets in general okay
who is here sorry ren
i've privately spoken with adam call me
or i'm calling you all right i've also
spoken directly with future motion i'd
love to record a conversation with kyle
and julian
you have his number
right ren's my best bud okay beautiful
okay that's amazing
does fm offer battery replacements as
soren oh
yes asterisk
if your battery is bad and you elect to
send your board into fm outside of
warranty you're paying shipping both
ways inside of warranty it should come
out at zero cost fm will replace the
battery
you're only ever going to get a stock
replacement battery however
have you been denied warranty service
for your toilet paper oh for sake
i thought that question was going
somewhere
have you heard anything new about one
wheel gt overheating issue i've heard
that the motors run hot
i do not own a gt i do not have one here
what is hot for a motor because i've i
don't i think that max i've ever got my
bbs hd to hit with 60 miles or 60
celsius yeah so you you can get one
wheel motors up so they're measured in
fahrenheit i believe you can flip the
units but i've seen them in fahrenheit
on one wheel
a hot one will run in the 150s 160s once
again i tried to i was just like putting
3000 watts through it on a warm day and
i found a road where i could just put
3000 watts through and just like keep
going and i couldn't get it over 60. the
number one way you heat up a onewheel is
by going uphill or going over something
pretty chunky right because you're going
to be demanding a lot more torque out of
that motor that's going to drive more
current that's going to produce more
heat
greetings from germany lewis and kyle
can you fight for right to repair a lot
of my friends and colleagues know your
videos you raise awareness to everyone
everywhere in the western world that's
awesome
has anyone gotten a divvy dwi on a
onewheel
i do not know
i would imagine the only drinks possible
that's right
they can't catch me i'm too fast
what company should i buy lipo batteries
from
i don't know
these people are still listening to us
just ramble yes this is amazing is 11
we're almost back up to 1200 people too
i i don't believe this
now we're 1200.
let's see
how do i get onewheel service outside
the u.s
i'll leave that to josh so
service is broad term it depends on what
you want to do with it if it's something
that's relatively easy to fix
reach out to sls reach out to me at bare
minimum i'm more than happy to help you
troubleshoot remotely if it's something
that needs to be
shipped back to
a shop in the states
and it doesn't require the full board
the benefit of sls is you don't have to
pay shipping for the full board you just
ship what is determined to be bad
that can
result in a significant savings in cost
if you don't have to ship the battery
then you can air freight it
back over here in a matter of days
instead of months or weeks
does future mo
what are your thoughts in the suspension
kits for the xr i recently got the kr
5.0 and i'm blown away by the ride now
yeah so suspension is one of those cool
niche mods that you can do for a
onewheel
uh
it's gonna allow you to negotiate over
rougher terrain a lot of people like it
for that i personally don't have it just
because i i tend to regard the
pressure in the tire and the bend in my
knees as my suspension
but uh yeah a lot of people like it i've
only heard good things
175 yes henry yes henry float effect
170 fahrenheit is 77 celsius that's hot
for a motor yeah i've tried to burn my
bb and old bbs hd i could not get it
past 60 celsius no matter what i did
yeah so there there is a thermal cut off
for it i don't remember the number off
the top of my head
but it is possible to overheat the board
to where it will say i'm not able to go
any further that's a problem that is
more prevalent from again what i've seen
with the gt than any other model
but if we could bounce down in the
comments a little bit
uh further all caps
float effect i'm going to bring it up
again so shameless plug here uh one of
my really good friends cameron ridge
produced a
short term
short term a short film around onewheel
we talked about a little bit early on
here i highly highly recommend you go
watch it i have a routine problem that i
have to explain to people
everything that onewheel means to me and
i can't do it quickly that video is now
what i use
so if you're looking to you know spread
the stoke and uh
get more people involved in the sport
and aware of it i
very much would appreciate if you guys
would uh spread that around cam would
love to see the attention on it too does
josh have a youtube channel we're
working on it working on it lewis is
yanking my arm on it okay
greenies for the cats with soda bread to
use i use good wick
i use whatever the hell i can find on
amazon over there
i got a whole bunch of it it's like npc
or something
these questions are fun i could do this
all day
greeny more voltage detailed influence
serialization or voltage ramps to go
faster you want more volts to have a
higher top speed and you're going to
want more amps to be able to get to that
top speed faster yeah so a higher
voltage pack in general is for the
context of a one wheel
is going to make a punchier pack you
could also cheat by using field
weakening but you lose torque and that
just kind of feels dirty yeah you can
also this is sort of a convoluted answer
cranking higher amperage at the same
voltage is also going to produce that
punchiness but the gt part of the reason
why it's more powerful is it outruns a
72 volt pack
instead of a 63 that extra voltage
really does help thank you zero g become
more powerful
yeah on an e-bike i have to be much more
careful with my shifting if i'm using a
52-volt battery versus a 72-volt battery
because you know but like my first gear
my top speed is 9 or 10 miles an hour so
i you know being able to get the first
gear to go to 13 or 14 or so it's a it's
a lot nicer without any loss in torque
what is the fastest speed achieved on
one wheel
so are we talking stock one wheel
are we talking modified onewheels are we
talking about something that could be
admitted publicly i have only gone 19.9
miles an hour they can go fast we'll say
that
the one wheels have a top torque not a
top speed do you like cats and do you
have any i do not have any cats he only
has red blood only i've read bullets
right
i got i got a roomba he's right there
that's my employee
we'll fun stuff saying well let's go up
hills
oh yeah it'll go pills so it's not going
to climb up a wall uh again a higher
torque battery a
smaller diameter wheel is going to give
you a little bit more torque and go up
some steeper stuff gt can go up some
pretty steep stuff does josh have an
only fans
not yet that's probably why it doesn't
have a youtube that's right
only for you aj or kyle whoever's
running the account right now power
motor community love onewheels and i've
been trying to spread the message some
people get it some don't wish yeah so i
have a couple buddies who run paramotors
they're fantastic that's a power motor a
pair motor is a big parachute you have a
wooden or a fiberglass prop on your back
and you go to a field you spin up the
motor and you just go up in the sky so
you have a parish hose so you can you're
riding wind currents yeah so it's a
plane and a parachute combined into one
but you can fly that's right i don't
know you could fly yeah so there's a
couple cool videos of people who will
take off from a onewheel i'm gonna try
that it's also just a good way to get
around an airstrip could you use it to
get around new york city and then you
announced one wheel absolutely no not
that the the flying thing
but the power i think you would run into
a few more issues than just getting in
the air i'm going to try that at the
moment
let me know how that goes i'm going to
try that okay
is it possible
third party
i don't know i don't work with an fm i
have no idea if they use a third party
to answer customer support
are there bearing swaps for gts
available there are so the gt uses the
exact same bearing as the
plus the pint and the xr so any
bearing that is compatible with prior
models accepting the v1 will work in a
gt
any tips on how to keep a board healthy
when riding in dry to damp beach
conditions other than badgering dry to
damp so you set a keyword there beech
badger get that sand out of the board
you're going to want both enclosures
badger you're going to want the
harnesses treated and you're going to
want the bearing seals completely sealed
up badgerwheel.com
robert's going to get you taken care of
as far as riding beach goes you're going
to want to drop the pressure down as the
sand gets softer that's going to
preserve your battery a little bit more
and just whatever you do stay out of
that damn water because salt water will
absolutely destroy these boards it seems
like there's plenty plenty of anti right
to repair and anti lewis rosman comments
in the one wheel subreddit at the moment
i get the feeling it's being astroturfed
i don't know i wouldn't assume that the
last time that i've ever had that happen
to me was with
resellerratings.com with a video i did
in 2013 where i had like thousands of
comments showing up every day that just
said spam and misleading spam and
misleading spam and misleading from
random accounts and when i looked into
my my youtube analytics all of the
viewership on that video was coming from
like vietnam and you know malaysia and
like that but that that that was
like nine years ago so i wouldn't assume
that you know there's a lot of people
that don't like me there's a lot of
people that can have fair criticisms of
things that i say and uh you know i
wouldn't assume that that's what what it
is unless it's blatantly obvious i'm
sniping more comments i like seeing here
so yes if you have a board no matter
what model it is and you're exposing it
to water sand snow salt whatever badger
it
the the kit is very much worth the price
and will save you a significant amount
of cost should you ever run into water
damage or corrosion because that is not
a fun cheap or easy thing to deal with
when compared to sealing up your board
proactively i think the few more things
you'd run into would be buildings well
no the idea is that i would fly out in a
place like bed style where you don't
have 12 buildings and once i'm above the
empire state building then i would start
accelerating forward towards my store
and then i would
land you better be quick so i'll catch
you
i don't know what we're betting on for
bart miller here justin but i'm with you
what is the average one wheel motor
efficiency
i don't know off the top of my head
yeah you know how are you going to
really be able to tell with no
information like with the watch yeah
so
there's three things that affect the
efficiency the range the power
consumption more than anything else
first one is where you ride so if you're
on flat ground if you're going uphill
downhill off road whatever
second is how aggressively you're riding
gentle riding is going to obviously have
a higher efficiency than if you're going
full tilt trying to get everything you
can on the board
third thing is just general conditions
right so
is it windy is it cold do you have the
tire pressure set properly for the
weight
uh do you have nice aftermarket bearings
that make the motor a little bit more
efficient all those things really begin
to matter
because there's a fixed power output on
these guys so whatever you can do to
squeeze every little bit of efficiency
out is to your advantage because there
is no option just to turn up the power
dial on any fm hardware how do one
wheels do in winters and places that use
a ton of road salt
badger it well and it works so
uh general rule for a onewheel
treat it like a puppy
don't leave it in a car don't leave it
in your trunk don't leave it in a shed
don't leave in a garage in the summer or
the winter
reason being they don't like high heat
they don't like extreme cold so as long
as you keep it inside i mean i was
riding to work this winter when it was
negative 30. you wouldn't step on a
puppy i would not no i would not take a
puppy
almost 30 miles an hour down uh trails
either
you said you do mostly off-word do you
prefer a slick tire or a tread
so it depends on what i want to do if
i'm riding city i'm riding slick every
day if i'm riding off-road or a mix
between i'm going to keep that treaded
on me just because i like the feel a
little bit more
the reason i like slick is just because
it's going to get me that little bit of
extra range
yes
have you gotten people that want you to
repair their gt yet
i have had a few people reach out to me
uh again i don't do any repair that i
would not be comfortable and intimately
aware of to do on my own board so
we're still very much in that stage of
figuring out what's possible and what
we're capable of doing at this time once
that starts to become
more well known then uh at least myself
personally will hopefully be able to
start offering some support for the gt
thank you melanie
nobody ever thanks me for reading their
comment
can i be a mod i don't know who you are
cameron ridge media does anybody here
know you can anybody vouch for you
camera edge media i think i know that
guy you think you know yeah so that's
that's who made the float effect that's
one of my really good buddies there you
go make him a mod
can you discuss the fact that future
motion can limit the performance of your
board after you purchase this is the gt
app update yesterday my xr is no longer
performing the same
yeah so this this is a bit of a
a fun one to answer i don't know if we
want to necessarily get into all this
part of the problem of not having a
clear concise line of communication with
fm is
no one really knows what goes into these
app updates
so we
have seen that it's doing good things
for the gt it's changing stuff but
there's no way anybody but fm can
validate
if it's only changing the gt and that's
not to say that anything is for certain
happening on non-gt boards but there is
no way that we can tell at this current
time did you upgrade your one wheel
board and what did you change he showed
a bunch of his modifications i upgrade
every single thing that i own that's
just who i am is there a third-party
engine to install
so there's no third-party motor stator
to date
have you ordered a tfl enduro tire yet
are you i have multiple on the way i'm
very excited to try that tire
jeff i'm looking forward to trying your
creation here time to wrap it up guys
you look exhausted both i'm having fun
this is great josh is having fun he has
more red bull than i do that's right
aren't hoverboards supposed to be fire
hazards or have they fixed that
i just don't like to think about those
anymore to be honest i don't know much
about hoverboards it's probably for the
best
don't feed your onewheel chocolate on
response to the puppy what is your
myers-briggs personality type i hate
those tests because they always
have questions that could be answered in
a number of different ways depending on
the situation and they want one specific
answer i'm just gonna give four random
letters and say that's a b x
t x and v j
let's see
i'll be right back i need to reload
our mind didn't move
thoughts on fangs larger tire diameter
equals greater speed but less torque now
fangs or tire diameters that's two
different questions
fangs are great if you're a new rider
and you want to build up a sense of
security and stability on the board
because it does do a
a certain degree of
or it offers a certain degree of
protection should you find yourself in a
situation where your nose diving
from what i've seen with the countless
people i've seen grow into the one wheel
board sport as soon as you begin to get
moderately comfortable things are more
of a hindrance than they are a benefit
because they reduce your clearance uh
some people keep them on the board long
term other people take them off in a
week it really depends
like most things one wheel depends on
what you want to do with it
can i have a red bill no
it's just not good for you i got one
more
jesus christ
what is this made of
it's actually just pure battery sugar
glucose chlorine what the eat a
battery it's fantastic this seems like
it's dog i don't know there's
better ways to get energy
it's good
i drank a bottle of fireball and stream
the other night so who might have
criticized
josh has been up for like 36 hours as
cameron ridge media
yes i have that is true how do we get
onewheel as a sport sponsored by red
bull
did you try to get anything special
contact with the management of fm
discuss these issues i'm sure they'll
hate you but you have the audience
yeah i mean like we've already covered
at multiple points by mike
yeah like we covered at multiple points
here i mean
i very much hope that they see this
video i hope that it has a positive
influence on everyone in this space and
i really do hope for the best here
but there's a very bright future ahead
if we can all work together the idea
with the document that's listed below is
to turn this into an actual back and
forth conversation
let's see if that's possible yeah i mean
if fm's gonna title the video a
conversation with kyle
i'd love to engage in you know some form
of discourse
thank you randall smith
and the for the up part is since
the camera fell down i have no proof
that it actually happened
i guess you could hear the clanks but
anybody could make links
we can just give you a whole bunch of
one wheels to pick up
what is different about the original one
wheel motor and the newer motors
so the original one wheel motor is
completely different in its design i
don't know the specifics because i
wasn't riding one wheel on the v1 days
of if it's from a different supplier
just a different model
but the the bearing size is different
the axle size is different it's a solid
axle not a hollow axle so the
cooling performance is a little bit
different uh
it's just an all-around different motor
entirely it's the same size
but pop open a new tab look up one wheel
v1 motor you'll see exactly what i'm
talking about here what is the
difference oh never mind he just i think
that's the exact same question what is
the difference between the og one wheel
motor versus newer hypercoil motors
hypercore is made specific by fm to my
understanding
i believe the v1 may have been an
off-the-shelf motor although it could be
wrong with that
rentus shred shop said i had a very good
conversation with jack mutt a couple of
weeks ago 45 minutes left me feeling
better about a lot of things good that's
really relieving to hear i don't know
who jackman is jack mudd is the chief
marketing guy at one oh wow
i hope you guys were able to have a
better relationship both the people that
actually ride these and the people that
i would love to interact with those guys
they seem like a ton of fun because
that's the thing that that motivates me
here is like the relationship between
people that fix apple products and apple
like that's that's that's you
know it's like this actually has a
chance yeah so you actually have a
chance to like work out your differences
work out your issues while the company
is small and then have something that's
better for both the customer for you and
for them so here's the really cool thing
when we get into quote unquote on season
here when all the snow disappears
one-wheelers sort of embark on a couple
pilgrimages that there's a very
dedicated following behind certain
events where all of all of us go to you
know ride trails and just hang out for a
week it i look forward to it every year
it is better than christmas
it would be so much fun to start you
know spending time not only with all the
people that we go we go with every year
but also to see the fm guys there it
would be it'd be a treat
do you think the manufacturer would
actually make more money if they
implemented your suggestions
by my understanding from what i've seen
for the years i've been doing this it
would definitely make the sport more
popular that
hopefully translates to more sales for
them that really benefits everyone here
i mean we all want the same thing it
just appears that we want it in slightly
different ways
we all want everybody to have a one
wheel underneath their feet
are you going to arm wrestle me or are
you too chicken i lost arm wrestling in
arm wrestling to monique pereira in
junior high school and i still haven't
lived it down 23 years later
so i probably am still too chicken
although admittedly back then i weighed
less than most of the girls in my class
that was embarrassing though never
forget
see hollywood halloween is better than
christmas fight me no it's not get the
out of my chat see from your
observations of writers do you have any
recommendations on writing safely what's
the worst you've seen from customers
safety wise
so the number one thing if your feet are
on a board you have a helmet on your
head that's just baseline there's
really no exception to that
um let me actually answer the question
he asked here
yep it's the worst you've seen in terms
of injuries or just
riding dumb people doing stupid i
imagine is what he's talking about
well we can define stupid in a
multitude of ways so there's
experienced people doing stupid and
then there's inexperienced people who
think they're experienced doing stupid
uh
protect your collarbones i think that's
the most important note to make right
now
if you go over the front of that board
or you come off in any way
tuck and roll don't slide
and good luck
what are your thoughts in the work
matthew shoemaker tech rails is
contributing to the community is there
anything new you'd like to see him
develop for the onewheel that man is a
genius so
matthew shoemaker is an absolute pillar
of the community that popped up he makes
a lot of the
higher tier aftermarket accessory so
we're talking about rails we're talking
about uh axle blocks uh motor plates
his stuff is extremely high quality i
have a lot of respect for what he does
uh
whatever new things he can find to mill
out of aluminum i will support it i
fully trust that man dave jones watches
everything that i do so you have to say
aluminium or he gets mad i'm sorry hi to
who hello dave jones from ev block
hi dave jones from evblock and it must
be aluminium oh aluminium
i'm not willing to say color with a u
though that's just too far from the show
i don't even know how you supposed
it just sounds too pretentious but i'll
say aluminium
as someone who's very unsteady on his
feet how would you go about acclimating
to a one wheel
so i genuinely believe that one wheeling
is easier than skateboarding
if you step on a skateboard you're
working to keep the board underneath
your feet per se as to where the one
wheel is working to stay underneath of
you so
it really does look more difficult than
it is and the nice thing about fm
software is you can tune
certain modes or certain configurations
of how that board is going to respond to
user input user input being how the
board is oriented so
the easiest way
to get used to the board is take it to a
tennis court hold onto the fence with an
open hand don't put your fingers through
the chain grate
and just go back and forth along length
of the fence you're gonna naturally pick
up
the balance and the body mechanics to
balance
and just look where you want to go don't
look down at your feet the rest is
pretty much automatic can you drift with
a one wheel
ah in certain scenarios it's possible
and where can people find you since i'm
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so more importantly you can find your
local service provider at
stokelifeservices.com
uh you can find me on facebook
at permawheely same thing for instagram
just p-e-r-m-a-w-h-e-e-l-i-e
uh my facebook my company page fiction
factory board works that's where i do a
lot of the
outreach and communication shop wise if
you're in the new england area hit me up
you're in my territory i'd love to love
to meet you i'd love to go ride some
time and if you need anything
hopefully you know who to call thank you
for taking the time to do this
absolutely thank you so much
and uh it's a pleasure coming by always
thank you everybody for watching that's
it for today and as always i hope you
learned something if you want to check
out a copy of this document it is in the
link down below my apologies for not
having it shared publicly in the
beginning if you were to re-click that
document it should show up now and also
it looks
for any of you who are
open to this
jw batteries is still being sued and
they've they have spent over 100 000 in
legal fees so far and um they they
opened this gofundme towards this goal
because they were being sued by a future
motion after making that ship that
allows you to put a different battery
into your device
you could check out leonard french's
video on this leonard french went over
the case and why he believes it's based
on uh on really not a great foundation
and i just figured yeah i would share
this that we may actually be going out
to texas to visit him depending on how
my schedule is so that we can kind of
give a tour of his facility and also do
an interview with him i think that would
be kind of fun if you guys would be open
to seeing that and i am going to get out
of here and also deal with my legal
letter that i got from future motion
today for my most recent video and go
over that that's it for today