with Republican Congressman Ken Buck of
Colorado Congressman thanks for taking
the time today
thank you so you heard the speaker say
to my colleague Mana Raja there that he
is not at all concerned about any
Potential Threat to his leadership
following this agreement which you
oppose should he be concerned
yeah I think he should be concerned I'm
not suggesting that the the votes are
there to remove the speaker but the the
speaker promised that we would operate
at 2022 Appropriations levels when he
got the support to be speaker he's now
changed that to 2023 levels plus one
percent that's a that's a major change
for a lot of people and so I after this
vote and he will win the vote tonight
but after this vote we will have
discussions uh about whether there
should be a motion to vacate or not
say though that there were not the votes
if you raise that motion to vacate are
you saying there's not the votes there
to to take him out of the speakership
well it only requires five votes if the
if the Democrats all vote for Hakeem
Jeffries it only requires five votes for
for Kevin McCarthy not to get elected
what I'm saying is that we don't have a
majority of Republicans to vote for
somebody else at this point in time
understood okay let's talk about
McCarthy's claims about this particular
agreement he just described it as the
largest or cut ever
it appears that he's basing that on the
two years required Cuts lasting beyond
that is he misconstruing the the actual
Cuts in this bill
it's absolutely smoke and mirrors the
truth is that any uh deal that is made
right now on Cuts can be waived by
Congress in this year's appropriation
bills next year's Appropriations bills
and certainly a future Congress so all
of those are targets and they will be
targets that would be
um cuts but they are not uh they are
they are not Cuts in actual dollars
right now what is uh absolutely true is
that we will have a historically High
deficit four trillion dollars more at
least than we have right now as you know
there is a normal budget process when
Congress votes on budgets here here is
the case again Congress passes the
spending and then as the debt limit
approaches that is where you have
debates like we've seen these last
several weeks here why not if you want
to cut the budget why not do that during
the budget process as opposed to the
debt ceiling debate when you have
genuine fears about the effects not just
of actually going over that clip but
even discussing going over that cliff
and the Damage that does the economy
well there is a relationship between
spending and debts the more you spend
the more debt you have if Revenue
remains uh constant and in this case
revenue is is looking like it will
remain constant maybe decrease a little
bit if we have a recession but but
certainly there's a relationship there
and to be able to use the debt ceiling
as leverage to reduce spending makes
makes all the sense in the world even
with the potential cost of the economy
as you know the rating agencies were
looking at this uh you know even days
before we reached that Cliff point and
saying you know we got to reconsider the
standing the the confidence in effect in
U.S debt
well there should be a lack of
confidence in U.S debt because at some
point in time we're going to default if
we don't get our our hands around this
situation where you're going to default
it isn't going to be in in June of 2023
but I'm not saying it won't be in 2027
or 2030. this country cannot continue to
add four or five six trillion dollars of
debt every year two years three years
without a default so uh no we're not
going to default and and the credit
agencies are going to be able to take
into account where we are financially
but uh if we don't turn this ship around
there will be a default in this country
finally before we go just to be clear
here you say that McCarthy has the votes
to pass McCarthy and the Democrats we
should say have the most to pass this
and move forward after that point due to
your opposition of this will there be a
motion to vacate
I don't know the answer to that I know
there will be discussions starting next
week I don't know a lot of it depends on
how big the margin is for this vote but
certainly you can't call this an
historic Victory if you're relying on
large numbers of Democrats to come over
and vote for this
it's been Ken buck republican from
Colorado thanks so much for joining us
this afternoon
thank you
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