twitches up so we're gonna go feel like
a rap there with twitches up but hold on
that's a great way to start what's up
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welcome to the show everyone episode 62
of talking heads I'm Jeff I'm Rhett
welcome back thank you yeah where have
you been been a long time I was just
thinking on my way of course I think I
did the inaugural episode of the new
studio yeah and then haven't been back
since feels like it so it's been about
two months no no three plus two months
I missed October yeah all of October and
all of November yeah is this really only
your second time in the new studio yeah
I think so Wow yeah that's about right
it feels like it's his last time to you
know I don't want to spoil the studio
magic here but we didn't have any of
this stuff in front of us it was just
okay yeah yeah yeah so I got all new
shelving you got a new tripod got a new
camera oh I meant the live studio
audience
oh yeah oh yeah all them yeah
[Laughter]
oh yeah I was just running around like
crazy of course October I had to work
but then November decided to take a
little trip over to Europe trip yeah
look I know it was like almost a month
total yeah but that was fun yeah I got
to see a lot of stuff probably saw a
little too much but all in all it was a
lot of fun but I'm glad to be back
excellent yeah yeah I know you went to
Spain yeah we started our trip in Spain
for about ten days and then we jumped
over to Italy where we did when we were
in Spain we only stayed in Barcelona and
did day trips from there and Italy we
went to Venice Florence and Rome
nice and yes so that was like two weeks
total in Italy it was pretty Wow pretty
crazy that's cool
don't yeah good to have you back and and
what is it 16 days 17 days we get to uh
jump on a plane from Vegas yeah I know I
was just talking to you before the show
started it's funny just explaining to my
bosses like yeah I'm gonna I gotta go to
work conference he's like you just got
back just this little thing yeah yeah
whatever anyway good to have you back
and welcome to the show everyone what
are you all drinking out there I always
love hearing what you guys are bringing
to the show yourselves uh you brought a
little something I brought a little
something so we've got a Benedictine
brewery black habit dark ale seven and a
half percent and this is from right here
in mount angel Oregon a little hop skip
and a jump away from us and then we've
also got toppling Goliath the wheat
India Pale Ale this is a want to say it
was an 8% that it was yeah eight and a
half or nine yeah it was up there was a
lot of beers we went through down in
your fridge because they legally aren't
allowed to put it on there
apparently yes it's too strong so I
remember yeah I can't find it there's
nice tonight there's only one label on
this egg thing I feel like certain with
a paler with the dark I let's start with
the pale let's do it let's start with
the pale cuz the dark
we'll probably be a little bit better
once it warms up a bit you might you
might not be wrong yeah I did it was
just sitting in my garage and I had one
and I thought well you know what this is
a little too warm so then I put it in
the fridge but then I forgot about it
so it got too cold in the fridge just
meant to chill it up just a little bit
that's right
but yeah what's fun about that is that
there was a time where you could only
get the black habit at the mount angel
Oktoberfest every year they've been
brewing for several years now yeah I
wanna say like four or five years but
now they've got their whole operations
settled where they're actually bottling
and I saw they had a case of this over a
barrel and keg which was nice yeah so I
was excel and they have their other
beers - you go buddy - thank you I
appreciate it
they got their other beers there too so
anybody in the area interested in trying
to get you get on over to barrel and
cake I'm sure you pick it up other
places too but yeah so this was sent
over from one of our one of my patreon
skull or on on the Jerry
so scull thank you very much this is
actually the first one of that batch
that I'm opening up so hit it all in the
glass yep that's what I'm talking about
well thank you I appreciate and I love
app a little so oh yeah oh that is
pineapples I was gonna say definitely
very very tropical Cheers
here thank you good to be back here all
right no hat Rhett yeah you said that
[Music]
John did I was gonna say somebody that
knows me personally yeah who's gonna
wear the hat and I thought you know what
screw it I'm gonna leave it at home CES
of work conference we're gonna be
working there we're not going there for
fun well not all for fun yeah absolutely
not offer we've we've got some fun stuff
planned so and sir if you're watching
it's definitely not fun at all and in
fact I have confirmed we will be
broadcasting live on Wednesday from
Vegas yes so I found a location that we
will stream from
one of the hardware partners that I
talked to you is gonna get us a table
get us 200 megabit upload bandwidth and
we're gonna come at you live from Vegas
I believe that shows gonna be 5:30 on
what is that January 10th perfect so
yeah it's a 5:30 p.m. so it's gonna be
an earlier show so get ready
but yeah get ready get get hyped uh
let's see I want to go through a couple
of the beers that I saw decaf green tea
nice oh good for you coffee drinking
water cuz I'm 15 well thank you for
being responsible excellent okay great
water water is good for you that's right
they even make beer with it I hear so
ooh
founders nitro oatmeal stout oh good
stuff hey fun little factoid when I was
in Europe the only American beer that I
saw routinely was from founders hmm
so that was cool otherwise it was lots
of English beer and European I know this
is sorry to interrupt that oh oh oh that
is good mmm
Scala drinking a crux tough love tonight
I've had that one that one's pretty
solid some more water what camera do you
use by the end of the year I will be
going over both of my camera setups but
I'm a Sony shooter actually the camera
that you're seeing right now is I just
bought it this last week it's a sony a
5100 I bought for a vlogging camera my
main cam is back here and it's a Sony
kind of heavily modified sony a6000 but
these both have the same exact sensor
both shoot at the same codec so color
correcting between the two should be
pretty trivial you're gonna see a little
bit more of what I'm putting together
here very very soon probably probably
New Year's Eve this video will go live
but I've just been working on that two
pax we took a whole shoulder rig and
shooting on that thing was well reckon a
test was an absolute pain I got real
buff yeah over the course of one weekend
got real bow yeah you had like first
date arm as well that's cuz you're
flexing the whole time yeah oh my god
yeah but you were definitely granted a
certain level of authority with that
yes we joked about that a few times but
honestly you put that bad boy up on your
shoulder and you walk the floor and it
parts like yeah he's in the Red Sea oh
it's amazing so we're gonna be a little
bit more discrete more of a run-and-gun
set up in vegas but we're gonna have a
lot more work yeah we got it we gotta
conserve ourselves a little bit yeah I
think last year I think I clocked 47
miles walked in in six days only 47 yeah
so so get used to what you're yeah pax
is about the upper body this is gonna be
about your legs man we're not skipping
like that that's a lot of a lot of miles
put on but good times yeah it's a lot of
absolutely I don't mind putting and
what's what's amazing is you really
don't feel until like Friday or Saturday
oh yeah cuz they were just going going
going I think I'm ready for it I mean I
just came back from Europe I did
everything on foot we probably averaged
10 miles a day yep
so and the first week was a little
little rough but I've been I've been
trying to keep on it just before CES so
we'll see well you're more in practice
than I am then all right let's get over
to some beer news mmm so first and
foremost if I can get my link to open
there there we go that's on you actually
Oh No so this okay what in the world
that's not that how does technology work
these don't look like any story let's
say today oh because it's cycling okay
so I'm gonna call USA Today out here so
this is USA Today is web page okay what
in the world what's going on so I only
have my DNS at blocker right on AB right
now what this is why people use ad
blocker what in the absolute living hell
is this website oh my what seriously
what what in the absolute living hell is
this website how is this usable how is
this providing the end-user a good
experience it's not and in fact about 20
minutes ago this site this USA Today
site got a malicious ad and brought up
the your computer is infected
warning screen and I had like a 250
second countdown and wanted me to lock
out my machine USA today get your [ __ ]
together holy crap that is awful sorry I
had to say that oh that was really bad
so and by the way in the 20 minutes
since I refreshed that if I go forward
right here these are all the web pages
that USA Today auto cycled through for
me so they're generating their own
clicks if you leave the page on idle did
so what kind of horse crap is that what
I want to know too because they've got
their subscribe now button plastered
right across the top yeah
what happens if you do become a paid
subscriber I doubt the ads go away you
just probably don't have like a cap on
right Dory's or something right right
I'm surprised ahead and hit my cap just
sitting here oh my god
wouldn't that be the worst not what
literally just trying to read an article
and the kid starts screaming so you run
downstairs and an hour later you come
back and says sorry you've read your
allotted amount for the day
I would go and punch USA Today right in
the nuts anyway so younglings the oldest
brewery or one of the oldest breweries
in North America celebrating their 100
90th anniversary and they are doing it
by bringing out kind of a special beer
now they are going to be releasing over
the next six months can designs from
between now and April that will kind of
walk you through the history of youngins
brewing starting with their 1829 cans
when they were known as Eagle brewing as
part of this whole celebration on
January 11th they are going to be
tapping a brand new keg in their
Pottsville Pennsylvania brewery that was
stored in bourbon barrels for 120 days
inside caves that were used to brew beer
up and tell prohibition so in the 1800's
that's legit they haven't been used
since Prohibition went into effect but
yeah so that they're they're making a
whole
whole thing out of this where you can go
to their Pottsville Pennsylvania brewery
you can walk through the caves you can
get a whole tour of the history at the
end of it you get a taste the beer that
came out of there
and I think they were running a contest
as well two contests will give consumers
a chance to win during the celebration
you can now post pictures involving
youngling on social media with the
hashtag hashtag youngling good times
what a bad hashtag that is bad yeah
hashtag good time for chances too
because no one's ever used that hashtag
before right well it's that's why they
added young link to it but it's like
that's just know should have done
anything there was something a better
there I there have used AIESEC have you
seen the meme with Padma and obi-wan I
saw Anakin killing younglings and he's
sitting in the field that's all I could
think of when I saw and apparently
because the owner's name is dick
youngling as well yeah we won't go there
lots of fertile joke territory there
though yes but anyway yeah hashtag
Yuengling good times four chances to win
prizes including gift cards from uber
StubHub uber eats an online movie ticket
site Adam tickets which you know I only
just discovered Adam tickets like the
other day he was better than Fandango
but yeah anyway sorry one of my patrons
got kicked out of some of our internal
channels I was sorry I got a little
sidetracked lawyer he was Auto modded
for all the horrible things he said
apparently well no cuz he just added me
like an hour ago on there and huh Maia
yeah my whole discord refreshed because
I had to reaccept my 18 and over policy
for my for one of our beer channels I
don't know if discord is just having
problems but that was weird
anyway yeah so cool happenings over its
a young buried yeah absolutely
190 years old that makes it older than
the country of Italy which hmm I was
just there so I have lots of Italy facts
sorry okay what else do we got
sorry too many so I have a 27-inch 1440p
monitor here and it's split into
quadrants for my stream because I only
have the one monitor to stream on and
all of the stuff that I have to read in
the middle of this is on one quadrants
on literally using a 720p display to
read notes here okay there we go
so Colorado as well as leading the
nation and getting baked now they can
finally drink the same beer that we do
welcome aboard welcome aboard Colorado
now we get to open our arms you know
sometimes I feel as though more so than
any other state more so even than
Washington Colorado has more in common
with Oregon mmm you know vice versa
yeah any other state yes and I'm not
just saying that just because of weed
and beer now lots of reasons the
outdoors are strong there and yep things
but yes the skiing culture obviously
being killed yeah so anyway Colorado is
overturning a many many many decades old
law on New Year's Day as of New Year's
Day you will be able to buy beer
stronger than 3.2 percent at any grocery
and convenience store so I did not know
that about Colorado know that
no wonder they passed marijuana so fast
but yeah anything over 3.2 percent you
had to go to a specialty store to a
liquor store and they are repeating that
good fantastic that's gonna be a fresh
new market hopefully for some hopefully
big Brewers yeah I know there's quite a
few actually really good breweries out
of Colorado so I'm sure they've got to
be excited about
a little bit better access and easier
access to their customers and consumers
so interesting and not only at the
grocery store but apparently reading on
in the article here that the law will
also now allow all types of alcohol into
their state parks which I guess up until
this point was limited just to the three
point two percent alcohol beer right and
also I guess which when actually that's
kind of a big one if you think about it
lots of us at least if you live in a
place where the outdoors popular you
want to be able to take a six-pack of
beer to the state absolutely barbecue or
camper that's how I spend Memorial Day
absolutely right yeah and also looks
like to that some grocery store is gonna
be able to start selling liquor and wine
yeah so hey good for you guys Colorado
well they're actually ahead of us there
yeah our city our grocery stores can
sell wine and they opened it up to
spirits but spirits less than 20% and
only then a couple of certain spirits
like I can buy Irish cream and a couple
other very lightweight spirits at a
grocery store
yeah like Costco recently got Irish
cream next to us but I can't buy
anything you know whiskey can't buy
anything like over 18 percent or so yeah
so it's a little bit of a bummer I guess
they have their reasons but whatever
there's kind of a way of life now at
this point right like you hardly ever
think about it until you leave the state
you're like wait a minute yeah walking
through safe when you go hey yeah I will
take that bottle of gin no way through
or you go to Costco in another state
you're like what um I do drive up to
Vancouver occasionally to buy liquor at
Costco good for you that's smart
yep that's always what we do I've even
made a California Trek specifically for
buying liquor that's what we used to do
for Reno yeah you just come back cuz the
taxes on spirits are so low yup Nevada
you just stop come home hmm
Christmas is that's right excellent well
yeah if you guys want to buy me a
Christmas present here boxes down there
send me a local spirit or a beer yeah
absolutely awesome send me one too to
his P o box that's right just address it
me if you put retz name on it I'll make
sure you get some of it make sure he
gets to try it at least at the very
least at least one little swell worth
that's right
3.2 percent isn't considered beer we we
call it soda I'm in Oz drinking at Ted
four point four percent
nice nice assuming Oz is Australia I'm
assuming don't look at man I was hoping
that you knew I'm in Oz I'm assuming you
don't mean along the yellow brick road
well hey very well could maybe that
bears a little strong I'm not not
familiar with geography yeah Drake that
sucks I get 120 proof spirits at my
grocery store yeah see I can buy those
anywhere else
and and we have some really really good
liquor stores around here yeah they're
becoming better like we're getting like
almost specialty like yes stories which
is nice yeah yeah the one of Kaiser is
amazing guys it was really good I moved
out there finally by the by the liquor
outlet yeah oh yeah that's a really
great that's really gonna have such I
don't get it make it up there very often
because their way it's out of the way
yeah it is but it's on my way home from
work which really works out well for me
there you go and I'm busting a little
bit of everything there so you can go in
and kind of make it your one-stop-shop
for craft beer and other stuff
yeah the Kaiser liquor store is actually
right across the street from my UPS drop
box which is where my peel box is out
so I Drive by both places on my way home
every day nice absolutely yep Australian
easier to type oz I figured as hoping I
wasn't stupid
no it's a country the Land of Oz ruled
by a wizard that's right that would be a
cool country that would be a cool
country all right on to some tech news
yeah family finally uh so this one is
interesting to me because I don't know
what to think of this rumor
so video cards coms video cards with the
Z posted a picture earlier this week
supposedly the first shots taken of a
gigabyte excuse me RTX 2016 now at the
press conferences they had there was a
lot of speculation that only the 70 80
and 80 TI series cards were going to get
tensor cores we're gonna get RT x and RT
course and it was speculated that b 2060
will be getting a significant coup de
coeur bump but it was going to be a gtx
2060 and not have ray tracing and an
tensor course the fact that the rumors
that i'm seeing right now are suggesting
that it's going to have RT x it's going
to be a cut-down version of a 2070 or
maybe it's own chip entirely with GD d r
6i i don't know what to think about this
one
now the specs are good the specs are a
significant bump from the the coup de
coeur count we're looking at nineteen
hundred and twenty cuda cores which is
up from correct me if i'm wrong
it's at twelve hundred and eighty cuda
cores yeah it was low it was like twelve
yeah twelve eighty told me yeah yeah
because i know the they started doing
their cuda cores based on resolution so
the 1050 and 1050 TI were 640 and 768
which are easy numbers to remember the
20 or the 1060 was 1280 then the 1070
got a little weird or no that was 1920
and then the 1080 was 2560 that's right
but anyway so the newest rumors are
saying that nvidia is indeed going to
come out with a ray-traced 2060 card the
only way I think Nvidia would possibly
do this is if they were going to keep
Pascal series cards alive still sell the
the 1070 TI maybe and the and the 1060
and use those as your entry-level cards
maybe cut those down to 200 and
respectively and start selling this card
at 400 yeah I think at that point it
makes sense because then you're paying
for equivalent performance this is gonna
match a 1070 we've seen the cards
basically moved up one tier and so your
your 2080 T or your 2080 is what the
1080 TI was before at the same exact
price your 2080 or your 2070 is where
the 1080 was before at the same exact
price and and they perform neck-and-neck
we're seeing the same number of CUDA
cores in the RT X 2060 that we do in the
1070 and my guess is it's going to be
the same 399 price and it's going to
perform exactly the same so interesting
move by Nvidia further confusing their
products AK yeah I know they have a lot
of a Pascal course to get rid of but
this is still just a confusing move for
me yeah yeah II thought it well I can't
even imagine and that's the thing you
know with them announcing that it's
gonna be rate racing compatible to I
can't even imagine the performance that
you're gonna have with rage o in rate
racing because we know it's pretty
terrible right so I can retrace it 768 P
yeah let's go back to to 720p days and I
know a lot of the a lot of the outcry
for consumers that I've been seeing is
just talking about AMD's new card that
is gonna be coming out in the same at
the same tier it's just gonna wipe the
floor with this so I don't know you're
right it doesn't it's a move that it's
hard to see what their ambition and what
their goals are right with it so I guess
it's one of those things the only time
is gonna tell mmm-hmm yeah but the the
even more interesting thing is
supposedly this is gonna come out like
January 15th really yeah like like the
week after CES so not only is it gonna
come back like literally the day we land
but they know all of their reviewers are
at CES and so are they gonna give their
reviewers any kind of time to do this
cuz
cuz our plane lands on the 12th back in
Portland on January 12th if this is
gonna release the following Tuesday I am
working through the weekend I friggin
sleeping yeah yeah you're lucky to get
like three hours a night in Vegas so and
it seems like okay either they're
playing four dimensional chess and we're
just not giving them enough credit here
it could be maybe trying to slip
something through to the market without
you know maybe it's gonna be a bad card
they're worried that reviews are gonna
well reviews are gonna be bad because
the reviews for the r-tx cards were bad
and this is more of the same this isn't
different this is exactly what the other
cards have been just one card further
down yeah it kind of feels like they're
backsliding a little bit right and uh
well time will tell
anyway six gigabytes of gddr5 or in the
new 20 or in the new 1060 you get gddr5
acts so again they've even further
confuse the market by increasing the
speed of the existing 1060 and cutting
down the speed of the new one I don't
know what the hell to think of in video
right now but it's just further proof
that competition cures everything
yes because you look at Intel
floundering four moves and floundering
for things to do with NVIDIA or with AMD
right on their heels
I think AMD is going to be right on
invidious heels here as well now the the
rumors that I'm hearing is they're not
going to compete if the 20 ATT eye level
potentially but they will possibly beat
a 2080 no idea if that's confirmed the
the sources that I've heard that for or
shady so that is not me saying that I am
NOT an authority figure on that do not
start publishing this video out of
context and going craft computing said
it's gonna be a twenty atti
the hell I did that is just some of the
rumors that I've heard
who knows if they will materialize at
all there's a lot of beers a lot of beer
and now it's a full bomber
[Laughter]
anyway yeah we'll see you know maybe
Nvidia and it is not getting any worse
that is delicious
so in fact I think once you get down to
the bottom of the bottle mm-hmm but I
think Nvidia needs us to be making their
business decisions for them so Nvidia
pick the phone call numbers at the
bottom of your screen yeah yeah we're we
might be right maybe we're living in
2018 and videos living in 30 18 I don't
know well it's just weird because I
guess I guess I've just never quite
understood the marketing strategy for
hardware like this but it seems more and
more lately that they have the wrong
people just making the decisions for
them and I don't know if it's just the
accountants looking at the bottom line
or next r-tx 2030
no it's RT 2030 it's not RT X there you
go yeah gotta get that cinematic 24 FPS
at 720p exactly is this real life yeah
wasn't 2060 supposed to be GTX yeah it
was and and that's just RT x 2001 a GFX
Odyssey you guys are rocking it tonight
the entire r-tx launch has been
underwhelming and and I think it is but
again week after the initial reviews
came out and they said well they're
better than the existing cards but
they're way more expensive we kind of
said the same thing when the 8000 series
cards came out were they were and I'm
talking the 8800 GT X or GT cards we
kind of said the same thing when CUDA
and rasterization or shader cores came
out that oh we just won our our OpenGL
we don't need anything accelerated we
don't need whoo-hoo neat shadows in game
who needs realistic shadows and game and
now it's something that every single
game and every indie developer is evarin
courted incorporated into their game for
the last 15 years it became the new
technology and it became
thing that everyone has and everyone
does and it made games look better this
may be another transformative technology
I don't know but we do know that
ray-tracing is the superior way to
render lighting and shadows we know it
is graphically more pleasing and more
realistic there's a lot more that you
can do with a lot less horsepower once
you have enough of it to to actually
generate that light properly is this
going to transform the gaming industry
so far no but we don't know what the
next generator this might all be a moot
point midway through 2020 yeah we're
gonna go WOW every single game that's
come out for the last two years now has
been rate raced and they look freakin
amazing
and I can't even go back to play GTA 5
anymore because oh my god oh man do you
see how bad the shadows look look at all
the jaggies and the trees and all the
and look that leaf falling doesn't have
a shadow you're we're gonna start
talking like that if this technology
takes off we'll see our position where
we're kind of gonna go through some
growing pains first yeah and that's my
question that was like I wonder though
if starting off on such a slippery note
is going to be good for the technology
because something that I was thinking
about earlier with and we'll get to the
story later with but like with Google's
project stream obviously not the world's
first attempt at like you know off-site
right gaming technology like that where
you're streaming a game I can't remember
the service that it was before but they
tried something just like that and it
never ever caught on and here we are ten
years later just rehashing the same
thing so I wonder if the the slippery
footing is actually going to do more
harm in the long run for the technology
than good I mean how many games have you
heard announced since we were at PAX and
we saw the first slew of games announced
with ray tracing technology exactly
hasn't been one examine one and only and
only one of the originally announced
twelve titles even made it to market
right and I and I know that sorry too
because Final Fantasy 15 has deal
now so that they have the the AI portion
of our TX course we're using the tensor
cores to use artificial intelligence
machine learning to upscale from 1080 to
4k so that's available now in one game
and r-tx is available in one game
battlefield 5 but they had to severely
tweak it and hamper it even further from
what it already was hampered to make it
a playable framerate and not to knock
the battlefield series because you know
they have their titles but mm-hmm like
do you even know anybody that owns that
game and plays it no I didn't buy it
yeah me neither and in fact when I was
looking at the list of games that are
announced with ray tracing
I saw battlefield 5 and I was like you
know I saw that before but like is that
game out and sure enough it's been out
it's been out I was like yeah it's been
out for like six weeks so I don't know
it just feels it just feels not good for
the direction that they want to move
technology and right okay that's great
that they're developing the technology
but it doesn't really mean much for
consumer market if it doesn't take off
in the consumer market that's exactly
right you know like I said we're gonna
go through some growing pains if this
technology plans we we've also seen the
trends where we think it's gonna be the
next big thing and then it falls flat
we've seen how many times have we seen
that with virtual reality yeah since the
movie enemy of the state with Will Smith
yeah like I said wasn't technically
virtual reality but here the virtual boy
right yeah you can go there you can go
lawnmower man oh yeah there yeah yeah
you go back to like a 1992 reference I
had a friend in 1995 who had one of the
the 3d headsets that you could put on it
was 640 by 480 in each eye and he and he
could play descent in 3d in virtual
reality and he could turn his head and
it was like a 20 frame per second so as
you're turning your head it's going to
it was horribly annoying and horribly
inaccurate but he could play virtual
reality games he had like 5 games that
you can play that's ridiculous
did the technology
John no it wasn't there yet and and
honestly it took until the oculus dk1
for virtual reality to go okay maybe
there's enough technology here at a
price that consumers can afford to start
pursuing this but it took 15 took a long
time 15 anywheres almost even after the
oculus and everything I remember to
reading it and I talk about this all the
time I'm so resistant to new technology
I say this all the time on the show but
I thought wide screens were a fad that
we're gonna go away like how stupid do
you got I know okay could you imagine
and I just like no I can't buy anything
other than like so are you a 4x3 fanboy
or a 5x4 are you more of the 1280 by
1024 the almost square you know it cuz
because that's where I was rockin I love
me a good 20-inch 1280 1024 screen or
yeah I had at one point 2048 by
something I don't remember what 16 20
years yeah yeah I was rocking a
Trinitron at one point that could do
that resolution that was pretty unreal
[Laughter]
although I still really miss my CR T's
where I could rock 1600 by 1200 95 Hertz
there you go that's what I miss yeah
it's yeah it's just wild the trends the
way that they go and I was gonna say
about VR III thought VR was a fad pretty
much up until the day I met you and I
went and did VR of the VR studio Trek oh
my god it's here I was like this is it
yeah it's here I can see it I can feel
it it's not uncomfortable no and it
wasn't until I I never remember the game
but the bow and arrow one were you
shooting the little dudes go just the
lap yeah the lap yeah yeah Valve's the
lab and I was literally just shooting
arrows at guys and I was like oh my god
this is the most intuitive thing I've
ever done yeah in gaming yep you need to
play blade and sorcery oh yeah I have it
oh my god it's all yeah
yeah that's what I've been doing instead
of making videos this last week
oh no and going to work and I sat down
on Monday this week and I really need to
shoot a video but my headsets already
hooked up seriously so yeah who knows if
if retracing is going to develop into a
fully fledged consumer product that will
actually be adopted by by game
developers and make its way in full auto
physics you know in into consumers hands
and actually change the way that we
perceive graphics yeah because we talked
about this with Steve last or a couple
weeks ago that we got to see our TX on
Metro Exodus packs and there's some
really cool things there but is it
transformative enough you've all heard
me say I don't think so yeah and I and
here's the thing you despite my name
saying I really do hope that it takes
off oh absolutely really do hope that it
takes off I really hope that it finds
its stride but but yeah I just didn't
really see the appeal at this moment in
time at PAX mmm-hmm but again I would
have never bought a widescreen if I yep
good bye anything else the other story
remember the mid 90s they had those
shutter glasses for doing stereoscopic
3d yeah that was pretty terrible
Trinitron heavier than a modern car yeah
and then LMDC cxl five years ago we had
3d glasses too for to watch TV you take
that back I had that I just got rid of
that TV this year
um I had a seventy three inch Mitsubishi
diamond series rear projection 58 inches
it was 1080p a hundred and twenty Hertz
with 3d yes I loved that TV loved that
TV but then the DLP chip and it died and
I didn't spend like feel like spending
$200 getting it replaced when I can go
out and buy a brand new LG 55 inch 1080p
120 Hertz for 350 bucks
there you go so that's what I have now
as soon as porn ray-tracing comes it
will take off the porn industry rules
the tech industry yeah it rules the
camera industry by far and if it's good
for porn you'll see it on store shelves
why do you think VRS taking off that's
there's a good reason for it
I read an AMA on reddit from a you spent
seven hours in the steamvr line only
people the VR will get that joke I read
an AMA on reddit from a porn
videographer who makes VR porn movies
yes yeah shall we call them short films
yes okay yeah absolutely short films
there you go yeah it was the most
interesting thing ever and he's like
yeah he was just so nonchalant about it
but just reading about how he loved the
technology so much and he just got a job
that paid well doing it yep yeah yeah as
the porn industry goes as the tech
industry goes why do you think blu-ray
Wan why do you think VHS one absolutely
yeah
yeah porn chose its medium and the rest
of us got to take those home all right
I'm moving her a little honk yeah I
didn't expect the r-tx conversational
and virtual reality porn but well there
we are
so here we are you're well so Asus CEO
has stepped down Jerry Shen will no
longer be the lead man at at asu's 20
years 11 years I think was it 20 I have
no idea
11 you're serving a CEO yeah he's been
with the company for like 20 oh there's
an onion for Lemon yeah served as CEO
for 11 it reads is it as a negative
headline at first but you read the story
and you kind of realize maybe it's a
good move for everybody I I think it is
I think it is ASIS moving on and trying
to reinvigorate themselves before they
fall off at all
yeah where
and every company does this every
company will go through phases where
you're extremely innovative for a really
long time and then you go okay
let's refine that innovation okay we've
refined the innovation let's just put
this product out again because people
are still buying it and you kind of
start to stagnate look at Intel look no
further than Intel to see what
stagnation does in the marketplace once
you reach stagnation and stop pushing
yourself forward in lieu of competition
you don't need to have competition to
push your own self forward unless all
you do is the easy way to make a dollar
now I'm not saying that asus is falling
into this trap but I am saying that
maybe they've reached a point where
internally they're seeing okay we made
all these new products and now we've
refined what those products are and
maybe the last year wasn't great yeah
and and they said we didn't come out
with anything new we it's the same
voices in the same echo chamber and
they've been trying to tap in a mobile
market firm they've been trying to
really get into the mobile market and I
have a market you never even think of
vases as yeah you know something is
somebody that you can go and look at
their phones or the tablets for who knew
that Asus made phones before the ROG
phone this year I did but only
peripherally yeah like I was aware of
the the a Suzanne tab which is their 7
and 10 inch tablets I owned an Asus
Transformer which was the evolution of
the netbook what was a Windows 10 based
tablet but it was x86 with Intel Atom
that was the one that was like yeah it
was a two and one had I had a battery in
the tablet had a kind of docking station
with a hard drive and an extra battery
in it it was a cool little device see
that was probably the last time that
I've really looked at an Asus product
and and let's see 11 years ago 2007 I
guess that would have been right when
they were you know one of my favorite
names in the market yeah absolutely
because you could go you know at the
time now you got Chromebooks and things
like this to to dominate the mobile
notebook space but back then netbooks
were kind of the rage and and Jerry
Shannon came out with the epc he was
kind of
the the voice behind creating an
affordable seven inch laptop for people
to take around that yeah and that one
has to have great specs it just had to
be speedy enough to do basic tasks and
that was the first laptop computer I
ever bought you you bought a netbook PC
yeah the EPC seven the the surf the 2gig
yes yeah I'll have to owe my god you
know it's funny too as I just dusted it
off the other day I think just because
I'm messing around with my workstation
of this I have this workflow program
called multiplicity which lets me
basically it's really great program
anybody doesn't know you can basically
use other computers from one workspace
same keyboard same Mouse it's like a KBM
counts up the software yes exactly
exactly and so I was just kind of
screwing around with that things I
didn't even turned on and it's oh my god
it's so old I have a one of the later
gens so when I say later gen netbook I'm
talking like 2009 yeah I have a gateway
downstairs that I bought I think I
bought it on Craigslist for like 60
bucks because I needed something that
ran XP because I had some weird program
that had to run on XP and I needed to be
mobile and so I threw a 60 GB SSD into
it
dropped a four gig stick I ran into it
and and I ran that one program perfect
on a netbook so I better look it into a
monitor or took it to go with me I don't
remember what the program was anymore
I used to take this thing to work and
play soup to on it all the time but it
was still a single core it was a it was
one of the atom I think it was the n270
so a single core with hyper-threading
yep yep so Jerry sent stepping down yeah
weather replaced by to co-sign co-ceos
right and they really want to push
towards the phone market make it more
than just the ROG phone and so what in
gadget says is we'll probably be seeing
more ROG phones and fewer Zen phones
which will admit defeat
with what Chairman Johnny she's
as a bloody battlefield in this
interview with business next because
they've been trying to get into the the
budget smartphone market for a long time
with their Zen phones and and carrying
on their their Zen line of laptops and
tablets and whatnot into the phone space
it's just never really taken off I mean
even LG and and a couple of the other
mid tier electronics guys are just
kicking the crap out of Asus which is
really weird
yeah because ASA should be should be up
there with Samsung they should be yep
they're neurotically right yeah so yeah
it'll be it'll be interesting to see
what what Asus transforms into ha what
sorry that dawn is where Jen is going to
he's I guess he's gonna be spearheading
some a IOT company which was interesting
this the first time I ever heard that
term I had to look it up to see what it
means it's a combination of the terms a
I and Internet of Things artificial
artificial Internet of Things
maybe artificial intelligence Internet
of Things artificial artificial
intelligence of things in tournaments of
things yeah it sounds like an
interesting concept and I think that
Asus actually helped like kick-start
that oh yeah yeah
they have a 30% stake in that new
startup set okay clearly they don't
expect like they have it's not like
they're I mean I don't know maybe that
was part of his severance or something
like that but it sounds like they're
gonna have a horse in the race with his
view yeah I don't think they're
necessarily kicking him to the curb but
I think this is an internal yeah it's
like it's just kind of a shape it's
their board saying we need to shake
things up a little bit before we get to
a point where we're no longer innovating
we're yeah you know we're not growing
and I don't think anybody I don't think
anybody thinks that they're making the
wrong move right just have to see what
they do
I can't I kind of feel like the mobile
space is just not the right space for
them but that's where the money is
that's where all their R&D has been too
so yeah
more power to you mm-hmm like I said 10
years ago they were my favorite brand on
the market
we'll see where they go no I've rarely
had bad experience with a sous mobile
products I've worked with a couple other
tablets I've worked with obviously the
going back to the ebooks I did have an
experience with a version of the Zen
book that we bought it was the x-303 I
believe it was a we bought gosh 20 of
those things they were I sevens they
were 1080p touchscreen displays they
were all metal chassis is a really
really nice laptops solid state they had
an Achilles heel though and it was the
left hinge on the on the display so it
was a metal chassis but the inner
workings of that chassis were plastic
and what they did is they rather than
securing the hinge down onto the metal
frame of it they basically like did this
plastic extruded mount with the the
little steel nut inserts that go into
something and then they melted a minute
and then that was your your screw
threads so they were metal threads but
plastic binding and if those laptops
were in use for about nine months that
hinge would literally explode so that is
not a single one of those laptops made
of more than 18 months that's too bad so
yeah not that Asus is about company
sometimes you just have a bad design and
that was just a bad design but yeah
that's one experience that I've had with
Asus personally all right speaking of
bad experiences experiences this just
makes me want to go punch razor right in
the pants yep right in there all fanny
pack yep so apparently Razer is trying
to incentivize their users into mining
crypto on their behalf for them and
they're gonna reward you with basically
in-store loyalty
it's points which you can use to buy
their products yeah this is what's
bonkers to me though is and maybe I
guess I just don't know where the worked
benefit ratio is right now with crypto
but wouldn't it just be more beneficial
to just keep it for yourself yes yes it
would
so what yeah so razor what they're doing
is they are having people who have
bought their hardware they're saying if
you sign up for what are they go on a
razor soft minor if you sign up for a
razor soft minor account you can use
your razor hardware to mine
cryptocurrency for them and they have
confirmed it is not razor silver which
razor is also very quick to dispute is
not a cryptocurrency it's just something
that we're mining that has some value
and these loyalty credits are handed out
in the equivalent manner based on the
mining power of the system and in their
estimate a system with at Lisa GTX 1050
or rx 460 will net 500 razor silver
whatever that is and can be redeemed for
razor peripherals digital rewards such
as games vouchers and more so but so
here it is though you can get 500 razor
silver for per day which has no monetary
value except if you compare it to here
the article specifies that you can the
least expensive rewards would be a
digital PC game right and it costs
21,000 silver yeah what you go to work
for a day and go and buy that right you
can go to work for an hour and but why
would you and here's the thing to me to
is it just seems so
it's stupid what a stupid idea windows
search you can't see this but i just
opened windows 10 search and i'm trying
to launch the calculator see al see no
results found you oh hey
use nothing you gotta just use google
chrome calendar half after see al it
disappears and by the way see al brings
up calibrate display color
thanks windows also in settings its
calendar privacy settings and called
history privacy settings thanks windows
thanks windows they're like well you
know windows 10 was free so we got a
good cost somewhere and the calculator
guy who's the first to go so now i'm
just going to type into chrome 21,000
divided by 500 oh look it's 42 days so
for 42 days 24/7 of mining
cryptocurrency for razor you can buy
maybe a midscale pc game maybe 20 bucks
10 15 20 bucks yeah your electricity is
more expensive than that way more
expensive maps so you you let's say that
and they're saying gtx 1050 for 42 days
is what gets you enough five to ten
dollars that gtx 1050 full-bore draws
about 80 watts of power so it is like
leaving a really high power incandescent
light bulb on you know or a halogen
light on outside leaving your porch
light on 24/7 for 42 days that yeah
you're gonna spend more an electricity
than that yeah honestly it's just not
even worth it and then to look like okay
you're like well water and i save up my
razor silver and buy myself the new
death a dormouse that's right okay
that's it says here they don't even have
values on it but that calculating out
rough
would take almost a year but your razor
silver this fake currency starts
disappearing after year it's only good
for year yeah so if you can make 500
rays of silver in a day you know it's
365 days a year
those first 500 silver you make them the
first day just disappear we hundred
sixty six days so apparently there's a
finite limit amount of razors silver you
can have maybe even a few save up on you
know save it all up but what a stupid
idea and this is the thing and they so
apparently if you have a GTX 1080 you
should be about four times more
efficient at mining based on rough
calculations here okay so four times
more efficient so that's two thousand
silver per day sure so if we go
twenty-one thousand divided by a two
thousand silver per day we get ten and a
half days I can buy a ten to fifteen
dollar PC game I think it's a Death
Adder Mouse what's 120 bucks yeah okay
so let's go let's be generous on this
just say it's so 21,000 is equivalent to
let's say $12.50 so that's one one
thousand six hundred and eighty coins
per dollar is what that cost times what
do you say 120 bucks for a good death
bat or Mouse yeah yeah hundred twenty
bucks so that's two hundred one thousand
six hundred divided by two thousand on a
gtx 980 would take you 101 days to buy a
mouse which i guess is not that bad but
but a gtx 1080 draws 220 watts of power
and there you go yeah so again or almost
three times as much this is a slap in
the face and it's a first step into
company exploring new funding options I
guess so you're not mining there
crypto or whatever who knows what your
mining but this kind of reminds me of
the big debate in mobile game dev where
rather you know you could offer a free
game on the App Store and just plug in a
little crypto mining in the background
mm-hmm and you get a million users
crypto mining in the background boom
well you've you've successfully
self-funded your operations sir better
than showing ads better than whatever
but how ethical is that in my opinion
it's not ethical at all especially
because the people that were doing it
and we're doing it without your
permission they just thought well you're
using our product and we're not we're
giving you an ad free free app right
right that's exactly what you wanted who
cares how it's paid for every time you
press play a kid in Africa starves or
something you know it's like the same
concept it's like who cares anyway I
just think that's screwed up Hetal game
if you press this button we're gonna
kill one child in Africa you won't know
who it is it won't be related to you but
why don't you hit the books no one that
you know yeah yeah it's you know some
peeps are gonna love that silver and and
that's exactly right some peeps are
gonna love this silver and razor is
gonna reap all the rewards and what's it
gonna cost them twenty dollars in parts
for a mouse yeah some peeps are gonna
love that a free digital voucher we call
those people [ __ ] yep a razor jacket
which was made for less than seven
dollars bye bye Chinese Bangladeshi
exactly so yeah it's a move that doesn't
cost razor very much and they reap all
the rewards and you get a little here
attaboy yeah you get a little carrot
yeah you're a freakin mouse running a
maze for them at this point you get a
little sugar cube with you yeah it's
gross and that's the thing I don't like
about it is that it reaffirms the idea
that you are not a person you are a
statistic to them and you know it seems
like a really harmless thing but I think
it's the first step if there is no if
there isn't
cost to a product you are the product
exact it's the same thing with Google
Google doesn't operate for free they
make money off of you they make money
off your your your searches and off your
advertising data and off your
advertising potential and they sell
advertisements to companies based on
what you search for and they will target
you based on your search history to make
ads more efficient for their advertisers
that's how they make money
that's how YouTube operates so if a
product is free you are the product if
Razer is saying here use your graphics
card for 24 hours and we'll give you
five hundred silver you are the product
because Razer is the beneficiary yep so
stupid yeah I lost a lot of respect for
Razer yeah whoo you know it's not like I
was ever a huge fan of their products
but you know they kind of dominate a
space and they do it okay so kudos to
them but but this is shady and it's here
and here's the weird thing about it too
is it it's taking advantage of people
who don't know any better
yeah no that's the problem is that yeah
and eventually we're gonna be in a
future where every single time that you
go over to your grandma's house to take
off that you know to take off that
toolbar and all that other stupid adware
crap that she has on her computer
there's gonna be like a crypto minor
running in the background very possible
she's just very possible so never
underestimate the power of distributed
computing you know I mean even some of
the the most benign adware out there and
benign malware if they get 30,000 users
doing their bidding that's a lot of
horsepower that's a lot of mining so
anyway moving on
speaking of Intel yeah speaking of Intel
Intel I had a press conference on
December 12th where they kind of
unveiled a little bit of their new plans
for what they plan for next year
and this is a little bit of a departure
from we're just gonna bring 10 nanometre
out and everything's gonna be all rosy
yeah I think it's a smart
for them considering that's been a long
time coming and they've had lots of
delays and they shouldn't part from out
in 27 early 2017 yeah they should have
seen the writing on the wall and should
have seen the engineering on the wall
gone we're not gonna make that
and of course we're speaking about ten
nanometer intel's solution to that is
stacking dies on top of each other and
the dies don't necessarily have to match
fabrication process so they can make a
bear die that is based on 22 nanometer a
graphics chip that's based on 14 and a
cpu core that's based on 10 and stack
them all onto a single chip and sell
that as a package and boom we have a 10
nanometer cpu taking all the
computational advantages of that with
much easier manufacturing processes in
14 and 22 so it is definitely an
interesting way to do it if you scroll
down just a little bit further there's a
picture alright there we go
so showing basically you've got your
monolithic die with with its different
sections on it and then what they're
doing is stacking modular components of
a cpu on top of it with different dye
manufacturing processes kind of an
interesting concept and actually not
that unlike what AMD is doing right now
shockingly enough Intel hired - dorri to
head up there their cpu division not
that long ago and Kaduri is one of the
main architects of Zen of how Rison got
here and you know darn well that AMD
didn't just switch from Zen to Zen plus
2 all of a sudden - is going to be based
on Chiclets which is a 14 nanometer IO
chip with 10 nanometer chip --let's on
the side the earth 7 nanometer Chiklis
on the side being very modular there's a
way that they got to that that's a
manufacturing technique and it looks
like intel has taken a year looked at
the same thing and when you know that
makes a lot of sense does so again
competition is good for everyone and if
Kotori wants to work at Intel for like
four years and then jump back to AMD
please yeah they'd hire back with open
arms so yeah it's a really interesting
way for Intel to get to ten nanometer
the problem with with intel's ten
nanometer is not that they don't have
ten nanometer problems they do until
owns ten nanometer fabs the problem is
their yield they're not getting enough
chips with few enough defects on them to
turn them into a full cpu processor and
at the moment intel's entire process
from their GPU to their memory
controller to their i/o to there PCI
Express controllers to the cpu cores
themselves have to be in the same
process by splitting this down and
breaking this down to say okay some of
our lesser components can be on 22 and
some of the substrate can be on 22 and
we'll put the GPU on 14 because we're
really good at that and then we'll focus
all of our attention on 10 nanometer
CPUs they can go from making a die
that's this big to making a die that's
this big and minimize the number of
errors that are in that manufacturing
process and be able to put those all
onto a single chip and have them work so
very creative thinking on this I'm
really curious to see if within the
12-month time frame that they gave if
they're gonna be able to actually start
churning these chips out yeah that's the
big question that's the question and and
that's that's gonna determine how 2019
is for Intel is can they actually do
this because then is knocking at the
door and and it's not like q4 it's like
q1 yeah so we'll see so the the one
thing that Intel has always had to hang
their hat on is is a halo product is
boom we have the 8700 K we have the 7700
K we have the 9900 K we have literally
the best CPU you can buy for X process
and X process is usually gaming so what
that does is yes the enthusiasts will go
out and they will buy the 99 hundred K
at any price you put $600 on it they go
well it's the best one out there I've
got to have it and so they buy that
product what about the people who are
putting
entire system together for like $700
that they get $100 or $70 motherboard
they've got eight gigs of RAM that they
spent $100 on thank you Samsung and hi
necks and and micron for the RAM prices
they they buy a GTX 1050 they get a EVGA
$431 rad max case raid max case and now
they need to buy a CPU well Intel makes
the best CPUs so I can't afford an 8700
K or a 99 hundred K but you know what I
can get an i3 8100 and all of a sudden
the i3 81 hundreds are selling like
hotcakes because people are looking at
that the high-end CPU and they're going
well they make the best obviously this
one's gonna be better than whatever
Rison is putting out and that's how
consumerism works that's that's how halo
products work
that's why Lexus comes out with a
two-door hyper car that does 0 to 60 in
2.8 seconds because it will sell
lower-tier Lexus's same thing with BMW
same thing with all these super car
manufacturers they sell a halo product
to get people to buy their lower end
products to get a taste of what that
good one is nevermind the 2200 G takes
the pants off the 8380 100 but it's
about but that's not right
it's about that bragging rights and
really at that level it's about that
bragging rights well what happens if
Rison takes a halo product away from
Intel
what happens if Xen 2 beats the 9900 k
soundly and is $100 less Intel doesn't
have a halo product anymore and not only
will the 90 100k stop selling but all
their other CPUs will stop selling to ya
so it's gonna be really interesting for
Intel Intel's going to be playing
catch-up at the end of this year I know
they're gonna be playing catch-up yeah
but it's how quickly can they catch up
that's what I'm curious about
overall though the good news is we
benefit no thank you
competition benefits us all yeah in the
result we get way better CPUs for way
cheaper yeah imagine if there was actual
ramp competition in 2016
I bought 32 gigs of quad-channel ddr4
2,400 for $115 put that in perspective
today let me get another please looking
it's looking how's a strong beer that
was a strong beer that was good lot of
beer that was a lot of beer I still
cannot find the ABV on this and I'm just
finding that really weird cuz there's
the surgeongeneral
live beer please refer live beer live
beer on us please refrigerate live beer
because it's like a shark on it yeah
live beer I don't know I probably had
like yeast in it I bet that's what it
was
brewed by toppling Goliath you know I I
have Google like literally right here
you'd think I would just type this in I
got this you got this bro tell you what
so toppling Goliath thresher I want to
know what the ABV ones on this ABV of
Topol and goliath thresher you're gonna
be really embarrassed six to five and a
half what I will say that was easy
drinking but it tasted stronger than
that yeah I was saying I was gonna
honestly I was singing like 75 yeah I
was gonna place at 7-5 alright I hope
you like this because I've been talking
this beer up for a long it's got a nose
to it it does oh boy I don't know how to
pour beer Wow we're at you've been in
Spain too long
I know I drink so much cheap beer and
Europe but the thing is is in Europe
beer so cheap first night I was there
even alcohol where wine in there yeah
I'll college
I had a glass of wine for what came out
to be like $1 u.s. and then of course
you're eating tapas so they just keep
bringing out food yeah yeah we the monks
of mount angel abbey in the spirit of
the centuries-old month monastic
monastic tradition excuse me
are dedicated to the brewing of beer
with a higher purpose using hops and
pristine water from Oregon we believe
every bottle should be brewed to the
glory of God we welcome all to enjoy our
beer and gathering a food and fellowship
nourishing both the body and the spirit
hunt drink to that
totally yeah what what's fun is as long
as I can remember you could buy this
beer and there was always a priest on
hand and even now they got a tasting
room open and in mount angel and yeah
some quite some ahead we got it going on
here you're gonna cheers by Cheers hmm
it's good it's crisp that's the thing
it's it's like a dark ale yeah so it's
light bodied whoo
a little crispy or like finish almost
you know like a crispy body to it I need
to get through the head first yeah you
got to get all over your face like me
mm-hmm
oh I did yeah beer drinking ASMR I'll
make that video yeah
now mine are all beer drinking nothing
but just the sound yeah you get the
sound of like and then you filling it up
it's got some noise to it yeah it does
like I can still hear it that's crazy
yeah I I've been talking this beer up
and you know I think if unless I'm
mistaken maybe maybe John's had some
r-tx on maybe John's have this beer but
I know Steve went out of his way when
they opened up their tasting room and
winnin guts
because I've been talking about it so
damn much yaks and all that so this hat
was always my go-to beer at Oktoberfest
because most beers that's why I've had
this before yeah okay but they serve it
in one place I was like I recognize the
beer I recognized yeah we're the only
serving that one who's the Oktoberfest
by about three o'clock I'm kind of
stumbling through the street
you and me both yeah they serve it at
one of the one of the gardens rather
it's at the wine garden and all you know
most beers average about five tokens per
touch is five dollars but this is six
and I work at Oktoberfest so I give some
free drinks and they have this they have
the value of one drink no matter what
you get yep
you can get the cheapest you can get the
most expensive then I found this was the
most expensive and I went and got it and
it turned into one of my favorite beers
and yeah one of my favorite Oktoberfests
I just went down there with my old man
and sat there on a Sunday evening we
went through all of our free drinks and
all of our leftover tokens I drank only
the black habit yep it's good it's
drinkable it's it's it's got a lot of
flavor packed into it but it's drinkable
yes smooth I'd almost call this like a
German style brown ale if I had to I
could see it like me nail it down but
it's a little maybe maybe more red maybe
more red it is a lot more multi than a
brown else's yes what I was thinking
yeah there's a strong malt to it but
there's for those who do not know man
angels kind of our local German town
they they do Oktoberfest every year but
even the buildings going through mount
angel are very German inspired even
there even the people that live there I
mean my Weisenfeld for guts that's
that's true which is a city in Germany
right so so yeah it's a very Germany
inspired town and and they actually
still speak a little German in mount
angel too from time to time but you can
taste some of that Belgian ale that
build in wheat coming through yeah
almost almost like the cloves off of a
half coming off of it
yeah I can taste that yeah but but very
multi very it's a lot of mall a lot of
malt lot of malt if you're a fan of a
multi beer this is yeah and like I say
it is a strong flavor and mm-hmm I
bought a whole case of this you know
selling you guys right after Paxson come
on okay so there's some ready to share
oh that's so good
and I have shared it with a bunch of
people and there are a lot of beer fans
out there that I've shared this with
they just don't like it because that's
too much flavor it's a lot of flavor it
there's a lot of complexity this mirror
yeah a lot of complexity and this was
one of their first brews coming out of
their brewery and what I just think is
so much fun is that they say it on the
bottle they are brewing in that
traditional monastic tradition
yeah because back in the dark ages man
that's how monasteries made money was
brewing because they could do it from
the safety of their mountaintop
fortresses and they would brew beer and
they drink of themselves and they'd ship
it on down the mountain to to sell to
the local farmers and this tastes like
that yeah it tastes like it came off the
back of a wagon drawn by a horse sold to
a farmer yeah which is fun it does taste
like an like an English Mead like I like
that real thick hearty flavor yeah but
but the funny thing is it's this really
light body I'm surprisingly light body
yeah it's not thick mmm if that makes
sense
but but but thinking of like how intense
the flavor profile is yes of a really
thick need of a really well aged Mead
there's a lot of complexity in this
drink I'm glad you like it yeah no it
yeah doesn't take much to impress me it
just takes more than a domestic well hey
I know I saw when I was gone in Europe
Steve's giving me crap about my reindeer
reindeer almost died while you're abroad
and I was only almost he didn't exist
when you got back I wasn't here to keep
it afloat sales are down 70% what
happened what happened all that
Weisenfeld guy he's over in Spain oh
[ __ ]
quickly now how fast can we get a
shipment to Spain
not fast enough we can't afford the
shipping Jim that's funny
that is true that did almost happen but
yeah but I'm not gonna lose sleep afraid
disappear I think everybody gives me so
much crap for liking it besides I don't
like it that much you know it's like I
like it I don't know anyways can I share
a deep dark secret with you please okay
I really like a Mike's harder lemonade
what it's just good why is that it I
just good dark secret in the craft
brewing industry like I law this is an
amazing beer this is fantastic
sure but just going out and getting like
a 9% malt liquor oh it's good this is my
biggest problem
raspberry lemonade in a candy beverage
hell yeah it's great it's so good at 9%
sign me up
you pull that bad boy out of out of the
fridge on a hot day
yes rocking and rolling yeah if I'm if
I'm out like mowing the lawn you're like
three hours on a Saturday there's two
beers that I'm reaching for one is like
a rattler like a 44.2% yeah really
really saw lemonade around there yeah
yeah yeah the company that makes the
shock talk yeah shock talk talk yeah
whoo they do it they do a rattler yeah
you know what's the other there's
written where that makes it Chandi
Chandi well these are so good thank you
but but there's really like two styles
of beer I'm reaching for I'm reaching
for a rattler which is like a grapefruit
mixed with a half or I'm reaching for
like a Mike's Hard Lemonade which is 9%
knock me on my ass
just candy in a in a in a can here's my
big problem with fandoms yeah including
the craft beer fan yes it's called
gatekeeping yes and they think thank you
if you can't name 32 IPAs and not half
of them are your favorite beers of all
time then you don't you're not a true
crafter your fan and that is not the
truth and this is why I openly admit to
drinking and liking Rainier beer who
doesn't have their go to something like
that
I love Mike's Hard Lemonade you want it
seriously tell us up I like it
I drink it go work up a sweat I don't
like smirnoff ice and I don't like a lot
of the other moles but Mike's Hard
Lemonade good if I go to a barbecue and
there's Rainier and there's Coors and
there's like a Becks or something my
shirt and whatnot and then there's a
Mike's Hard Lemonade
I'm grabbing that my turn let me in
every single time why not and twice on
Tuesdays yes I think you go and work up
a sweat
you don't want to come back and drink
this you don't want to drink this black
habit why would you write it's yeah this
is not the beer I'm reaching for after
mowing the lawn no this is the beer I'm
sitting down to in front of the fire I
was gonna say you put a sweater on maybe
grab a book yeah
maybe a pipe you know this feels right
this feels right yeah yeah this isn't a
cigar beer this is this is a this is a
sit in front of the fire
absolutely but ironically enough a
light-bodied sit in front of the fire
beer usually those are like the thick
Porter's well you know in this sense
with the lighter body it's almost more
of like a Christmas beer I guess totally
this is a beer you could share with with
family and and go dad
it's a craft beer they go oh that's
pretty good yeah absolutely and that's
the thing and being a dirty Oh I tend to
really like dark ales
yeah I really like amber box and things
like that that tend to have a similar
body to this yeah but yeah man don't
feel this is the thing I'll defend you
I'm not even reading the chat right now
because they're like what no okay
they're actually not surprisingly enough
oh good yeah it's the people gonna watch
the video later they're like this is
outrageous fun subscribe totally which
I'm sorry but it's it's the same thing
craft beer has the same thing that Harry
Potter has that has the same thing that
computers have the same thing that
I don't know what's another fandom
that's kind of toxic sometimes with lots
of gatekeeping I don't know I guess I
went through them all craft beer Harry
Potter in computer building it's three
of the top five right there but it's all
this gatekeeping where if you don't do
it their way then you're not a real fan
that's just not true
right that's just not the truth yeah so
you guys drink whatever you want what do
you mean you haven't read all 75 books
from the extended universe right yeah oh
you're telling me that you don't know
Luke Skywalker's baby mama all right
well fine
yeah I already know who ray is because I
know the whole well and I know that they
said that the old expanding universe
isn't canon but if you read between the
lines yeah they really mean it in you
almost quoted somebody that I know
verbatim I know fanboys oh my god anyway
Star Trek yeah well well no there's only
just real Star Trek fans there's that's
not really a debate yeah here's the
thing with started there's people who
believe ds9 is master race and then
there's everyone else since John's not
here to defend himself Star Trek is if
there's not like super elitist 9:22 and
we're gonna yeah we are now we don't
have that many more stories to go
through like oh yeah we've got like four
and and only one of them is good Star
Trek doesn't have a lot of gatekeeping
fence a house gate keeping fans no doubt
they're doing yeah do it I think that
they're not the they're not the rule
like they like it as for Harry Potter
which and everyone's like are you aiming
at Harry Potter because your fandom is
toxic so there you go put it up and you
can go ahead and roll Tolkien in with
that yeah sure why not absolutely yeah
and Star Wars has it too
I don't know man I could go on and on
and on because what I hate the most is
toxic fandom yeah well we get we can
cycle back let's see we'll circle back
yeah let's don't worry about it all
right
so essentially speaking of crappy
companies
speaking of gate keep speaking of gate
key oh very good my friend thank you
I'll be here every hour or so
speaking of gate keeping a community
from information at large and just
enjoying what they want to enjoy Wow how
well that conversation blended now that
I really think about well I was thinking
about this this morning I was like I
gotta work in gatekeeping again really
angry at Harry Potter fans and somehow I
got to make Jeff admit oh right and I'm
gonna be on the show oh yeah
so CenturyLink this week admitted to
Utah customers that they were
redirecting their web traffic to their
own internal servers and making them
acknowledge that CenturyLink has a
filtering service that they can sign up
for and they blamed it on a state law
there is no such state law this is
amazing so essentially Brock blocked
customer blocked its own customers
internet access and in order to show
them an ad for their own filtering
service which they will sell you so for
an extra $20 a month they will keep your
children safe because well that's what
you tell people in Utah
yeah no offense to anyone living in Utah
but Utah has a reputation and one of
them is what do you think of the
children
sorry it's just what it is you have the
strictest alcohol laws in this in the
nation as well family values state
family value state exactly so what was
shown is if you actually go down to that
Twitter post we picked on the Twitter
page and click on this yeah we're up on
the image and then click on the image
one more time Hey look at that there you
go
so this was a mobile snapshot taken by a
guy
the notice your why are you seeing this
page do your Utah customer your internet
security and experience is important to
CenturyLink the Utah Department of
Commerce Division of Consumer Protection
requires
CenturyLink to inform you of filtering
software available to you this software
can be used to block material that may
be deemed harmful to minors keep our
children safe set your links at ease
product is available here
CenturyLink comm slash home slash ease
and provides the ability of such
software also information regarding the
options available to you can be obtained
from the product descriptions found or
that I don't know specifically the PC
security by Norton section shows that
parental control option level that
provides you with the capabilities and
tools to block any material you deem
harmful to minors if you have any
questions you may visit the Utah
Department of Commerce division of
consumer protections found at consumer
protection that you Tyga thank you for
being a valued CenturyLink customer and
please click OK to exit this message and
quote the Utah Department of Commerce
requires no such message to be sent to
internet subscribers of the great state
of Utah I have my personal feelings
reading this maybe I'm wrong but this is
the first testing of the limits of net
neutrality or rather the repute now that
the net neutrality has been repealed
CenturyLink is the first isp mm-hmm to
test the limits to throw a pebble into
the water to see what happens that's
exactly right and do it in a state
that's not going to complain yeah that's
why they chose Utah there's a reason
Utah was circled on their map and go
we're gonna offer our filtering service
to Utah and make them click an
acknowledgment that they know it's
available before they can do anything
else on the internet because they're the
least likely to may complain about us
advertising a filtering service how much
is their filtering service cost
does anybody know ten fifteen twenty
bucks it wasn't inconsequential it
wasn't like something that like it
wasn't like for 399 it wasn't an in-app
purchase yes why is he sure about
kids that would just be like a free
thing right like because it wouldn't
cost you anything right so here's where
it crossed the line because I've seen
ads injected by by some cable companies
luckily my cable company doesn't or
values net neutrality and they've vowed
to follow net neutrality and they said
we will never inject ads we will never
redirect traffic we will never block
traffic unless we are lawfully required
to do so good for you um right unlike
yours which is Comcast yes yes I used to
have wave yeah yep so so my internet
service provider aside from having crap
infrastructure out of my way is devoted
to net neutrality and wave broadband
thank you thank you for keeping your
consumer interests at heart
Comcast on the other hand and we'll just
same the arrows strike straight at
CenturyLink for this conversation they
did more than just a DNS redirect they
did more than just oh they're trying to
get to Google let's let them know the
Internet's filtering is available to
them they blocked all traffic they had a
drop all until you clicked acknowledge
and that's the problem right people who
had a blocking said and I'll say even a
Dina DNS redirect is a problem even a
DNS intercept is a problem but what they
did is there was a guy in the middle of
what was he doing I read it in the
article there was a guy in the knew of
an SSH session sorry the last of memory
there was a guy in the middle of an SSH
session it stopped his SSH session
session and dropped traffic SSH is not
dependent on DNS as a service SSH is a
direct IP connection and in fact once
that connection is established there
should be nothing that the ISP can do
with DNS that will
lock that connection he was in the
middle of a secure connection to his
work and his connection dropped just
straight up dropped and he went to his
TV and he turned on his TV and what do
you know YouTube won't connect and Roku
won't connect and da da da da da it
wasn't until he brought up his
smartphone and tried to go to a web site
on his Wi-Fi and started diagnosing it
that he was redirected to Century links
acknowledgement page that said hey did
you know filtering services available on
your internet connection think of the
children for just $20 a month we can
keep your kids from seeing pornography
please click OK to acknowledge this
message he clicked ok and as this sh t
session was restored that is such
absolute garbage they literally blocked
his internet connection until he said
yeah I accept literally blocked it yeah
it's it's garbage right so the best so
that was not Comcast injecting ads that
was not Microsoft saying hey I see
you're trying to download Google Chrome
have you tried Microsoft edge yet which
Microsoft still screw you this was I
don't know man edge is pretty great have
you gave it its first shot yet I'm
taking you to Vegas hey satires
the sharpest comedy out there I was
playing somebody who isn't going to see
us thank God I booked your plane ticket
so anyway yeah this was far from a DNS
redirect or injection of ads or
something like this but this was
straight-up denial of service to a
paying customer until they acknowledged
that you offered them an additional paid
service that is absolute horse crap that
is absolute crap from the top down
CenturyLink I'm embarrassed for you and
I'm downright ashamed of your business
practices
yeah you shouldn't have given me a
disability if you didn't want yeah yeah
by the way we can chat back now that's
part of our new all-in-one chat program
is you actually send to both YouTube and
twitch at the same time Oh mazey
so twitch isn't gonna have any idea what
I'm talking right you'll respond in
Twitter goes what the the for users on
twitch go what the hell what are you
talking about
but anyway yeah this is it's it's really
dark because this is truly the first
step like when you are watching
terminator and the to users on twitch
what we have no idea nope I'm glad that
worked but this is literally like when
you're watching terminator and it's in
the future and Kyle Reese is here and
he's like you don't understand
when Skynet gets turned on it's all over
and this is like that first step not
Skynet being turned on but the first
step of net neutrality Julian well being
gone even though I would say battles not
over but I would go not Skynet I would
go corporations in idiocracy yeah yeah
absolutely there's some strong parallels
there yeah
sorry Carl's jr. is found you were an
unfit parent please deposit your child
in the drop box
what's amazing is no like that movie was
such a dark horse when it came out and
man can we go to Starbucks you think we
have time what a good movie the problem
is this whole year is just felt like two
cappuccinos please yeah yep so oh it's
five now we have five on Twitch hey hey
welcome aboard everyone I didn't even
have to take my shirt off I love how all
five of them hey I'm watching wait a
minute now don't forget about oh they do
want me to take my shirt off dang it all
thought we were above that I guess
[Laughter]
we're off the rails that is a good point
because we got a couple stories I would
have loved to get to not this one this
one is not the best but we can get to it
anyway so get to it we'll get yeah if
you want to get to you have to first
well it's up to you your call if you're
not feeling this one we can skip and
we'll loop around to this because this
is funny but but I know you you didn't
have high opinions of this story in the
first place let's hit it
Simon like my journalistic integrity is
above that okay well well so is mine but
I think there's some interesting it does
take place in the tech space because it
is gaming it is entertainment which we
do touch on from time to time I just
think that it's just so boring
can you copyright a dance you can it's
already been done right but done
it's just dude this is pop culture this
is the influence you've had on the world
right time to accept it right that's
gone this is gonna be an interesting
debate because I'm slightly on the other
side that's why and that's it let's get
into Italy wrong that's right
so here it is Alfonso Ribeiro Ribeiro
I don't know sabirah you get you know
right the first time anyway gentleman
Carlton Carlton on The Fresh Prince of
bel-air he's suing for tonight and of
course NBA 2k epic for stealing the
Carlton dance right now if this is he
just needs to go ahead and and go back
in time every single person has ever
done this dance ever and see them too
I will hit you with point counterpoint
go ahead okay the Carlton dance is
ingrained in pop culture yes Fresh
Prince 192 something like that came out
yeah
so the Carlton dance is ingrained income
in pop culture we know the dance as the
Carlton dance absolutely it is very
recognizable there's one person
does it right and that's Carlton himself
yeah but it was the reason we don't call
it the elfonzo right we don't come up
the Alfonso we call it the Carlton and
and that brings up Part B of my my
discussion which is who actually owns
the dance is it the creator of the dance
or is that the employer of the person
who created the dance at the time the
dance was created on their program but
that's a different discussion what I
want to talk about now is Alfonzo
creating the Carlton dance and does he
have rights to it now you brought up
that okay well let's go back and sue
every single person who's ever done the
Carlton dance to which I say hold up
yeah I was being a little facetious and
I don't necessarily agree with that
right to which I say hold up because
fair use does exist fair use you are
allowed to reference pop culture while
still putting your own spin on it
and and that's a fine line and it
depends on how you argue that to a judge
whether or not you'll get the ruling in
your favor or not it really does it's
down to the individual judges who say
well yes you obviously infringed on the
Carlton dance here's $10,000 versus wow
that's pop culture every no one knows
the Carlton dance it's four moves it's
pretty simple deal with it what I will
say in which fortnight cross the line is
they are selling the Carlton dance
individually as the Carlton dance the
dance is called fresh so they're making
a Fresh Prince of bel-air reference okay
in the sale page of the Carlton dance
okay you buy the emote which is your you
dance move whatever you however you want
your foreign I character to dance
whether you want them to floss Ella to
Millie which is also suing for tonight
Epic Games or you want em to dance at
Carlton doing the fresh dance here's the
problem is Epic Games rendered the
Carlton dance to the to the character
and then is selling that dance
individually for $2 apiece
you pay $2 for your character to do the
car
and dance that's where I have a problem
is they are not selling fortnight and at
some weird obscure Easter Egg within the
game it is it is not you get to the end
of League of Legends and and the main
the main boss does his little you know
thing because the carlton dance is all
through pop culture yeah um it's it's
been in dozens of games it's in
uncharted it's in doom it's in it's in a
lot of different popular games those
were baked deep within the games and
were Easter egg references to the
Carlton dance
whereas fortnight Epic Games has said
we're going to sell you the product the
Carlton dance and only the Carlton dance
for two dollars where does it cross the
line from fair use pop culture into we
are monetizing your likeness and and
that's and it again it probably depends
on how you argue it yeah and you bring
disarm do you bring up all points that I
agree with yeah and my position is I
think she's inherently the weaker
position anyways and I don't disagree
with you and I don't necessarily
disagree with with your point either but
go ahead and I I just think that and my
opinion of this of course is painted by
the fact that TMZ is reporting right
I hate gossip also to us feels so gossip
especially celebrity ghazals like
nothing I like that's the thing it feels
so gossipy but also like on Alfonzo
Riviera's side as well he's like oh no
I've lost you know i-i've lost Famer
I've lost whatever let's go after this
one thing that's keeping me relevant you
know and and that's the thing I guess
you're welcome to do it but did he
create the dance I'd be my number one
question and even if he did create it
mm-hmm you know this is the thing that
comes up a lot in certain fields is like
even if you did create it you were
employed by somebody too
create something right and you know and
I guess I don't know I don't know where
I'm going with this but but ultimately I
just feel it just feels so shallow is he
entitled to do it I guess so but then
that's that's the United States for you
right we're just built on all these
shallow weird things should epoch have
packaged it up and sold it as a $2 fresh
dance I don't know that seems pretty
shady as well mm-hmm
it could just be that they're not
thinking and this lawsuit is there to
redirect their thinking to the proper
mode which is maybe you shouldn't have
done that right which is entirely
appropriate if you want to sell the the
Carlton dance for $2 to go right ahead
but give 30 cents to Carlton the guy
that you're referencing and and the guy
who's whose likeness you were you're
banking on and and maybe they yeah and
that's at the heart of copyright and
maybe this is a lesson you should call
them up first right hey man we really
hope and use your dance can we get your
blessing on this right we're huge Fresh
Prince fans yeah tell you what we'll cut
you in for licensing deal ten cents of
every transaction yeah and boom no
problem at all and maybe that's what
he's going for it
I just wanted 10 cents and and the thing
is and like I said I have no problem
with fair use as far as the dance yeah
copyrighted or not that's another
argument entirely can you copyright a
dance I think you can but it's really
shaky ground it just to me it so many
weird things that that this brings up
and and and the dance is the least of
which because it's because the dance is
a weird thing but like there's a rope 18
izybelle thing right and it's a
recognizable thing to him to something
that he has marketed himself before as
his own personality as his own brand
yeah and so again where does a dance
become Carlton become Alfonzo and Natura
because the Carlton was featured on
Dancing with the Stars it was the one
season of Dancing with the Stars I
watched was with him and it was a real
joy to watch right I got to admit it it
was fun and he did the garl tynin one of
the dances and everything was a win me
everybody
went nuts yeah and it was so cool to
like I rarely has every single time you
watch Dancing with the Stars with
Alfonso you're gonna wear Carlton
where's Carlton aside happen second out
where's it at what and yours it's like a
baseball game where you're sitting on
the edge of your seat until the ninth
inning
and then all of a sudden in the ninth
inning he hits a solo homerun to win the
game yeah he had that in his back pocket
the whole damn time and I freaking knew
it yeah
but here's the thing like what you know
if they created the emotes that we're
like eating my shorts right like or or
dull or something like right would the
Simpsons be suing right I don't know I
guess I guess ooh and again are you
making a reference to something or are
you selling it directly as your own
product and again it depends on how you
yourself marketed and the problem with
Fortnight is it's a free game Fortnight
is not making money directly off the
sale of Fortnight they're making money
off the sale of in-game purchases one of
which is the Carlton dance yeah yeah and
so where do you draw that line at and so
the fact that the Carlton is in League
of Legends and Team Fortress 2 and and
here's the weird thing about it though
then this just irks me a little bit
because I was like you know what just
making a lot of good points and not that
I disagreed with you and not directly
but here it is I'm not a hundred percent
right either Alfonzo claims that he's
also currently in the middle of
copywriting the dance right bro you
didn't even have it copyrighted before
this because copy grinding and dance is
a difficult thing you have to prove to
the court unless he's been cooperating
it since 1998 the thing is copyright is
retroactive though now anyone who's done
it in the meantime it has rights to do
that or you can send a cease-and-desist
later later on saying sorry I'm claiming
the original rights to this from 1992 I
know you've been doing it since then but
you need to stop because I'm the
original creator of this Alfonzo has
also come out and said he created the
dance based off of Eddie Murphy's white
guy dance and the Courtney Cox dancin in
the street with Bruce Springsteen he
kind of combined those two moves into
one move and made it his own but he
truly did make it his own because it's
not called the Courtney or the Cox
regard the integral it's called the Karl
tips and and again in pop culture we
know it as the car
if I say the Carlton you know what that
dance is and you know what face is doing
it and I guess I shouldn't be so opposed
to a big game studio like epic being
knocked down a peg I mean they can
afford it that's fine and I guess truth
told the truth be told that the way epic
went about it is the exact opposite way
I would have went about it and even if I
I'd like to think even if I was as big
as epic I would have my current small
boy small-town principles which is yo
let's send him an email and at least at
least acknowledge at least be like hey
hey bro we're big fresh prints fans over
here
we love the Carlton dance we would love
to incorporate that reference into the
game are you on board or not and that's
exactly how I would do it you know
there's even been a couple songs I've
written for my bands where we have done
oh ma jizz two other bands or bigger
bands where we're like hey man we're
doing this and I'll email them and I'll
be like hey man we're doing this thing
like do you think that's okay and more
often than not believe it or not I get I
get an email and they're like yeah yeah
so like oh don't don't ask again yeah
you know and some of it like you
wouldn't even be able to prove in court
but like one example we took napalm
death how's the world record for the
world's fastest song and the song is
called you suffer yeah it's cured 70
beats per minute or something well it's
but it's also like really short yeah
yeah it's over yeah and the lyrics and
they found that like specific
requirements for a song you have to have
X amount of lyrics X amount of riffs
changes and things like that and that's
a song that's yeah that is a song and
they go okay and then they wrote the
world's fastest and shortest song and so
I wrote a song based off that song where
I took those chords and I made it a
really looks like that and I emailed
napalm death it was like hey what would
it be cool if we did this and I don't
know if it was who got back to us but
somebody was like yeah that's fine yeah
so I was like alright cool
yep so yeah it it's a complicated
situation because we're getting into
some really hairy trademark and
copyright waters as far as when does a
dance stop being just a couple of moves
and become trademark of a person yeah
when does a pop culture reference stop
being oh that guy who danced in the 90s
- it's the Carlton owned by Alfonso tied
in with monetary licensing with a game
and what does the game have rights to
reference and there's so many moving
pieces and so many different arguments
you can make tits I can totally see both
sides of this yeah it's rough because
there honestly there's only a handful of
dancing moves that I would be able to
attribute a tribute to their creator
mm-hmm Michael Jackson comes to mind
of course the Carlton you got the
moonwalk and you got the lean and but
also like the the Thriller oh I wasn't
even thinking moonwalk but moon wax is
the perfect example we do okay so I've
got three - Michael Jackson and one -
Carlton that's what I've got my so we're
saying isn't the Carlton is on par with
the best pop artist of all time so all
right yeah why not yeah I guess I guess
he deserves it at this point yeah
exactly so I guess I'm just bitter
because as you know being involved with
Game two of the way I am I think it's
always just seems like such a low blow
but epochs on a small dev they're not a
small dev and they probably knew better
and that's my problem with epoch right
now or they should have at least they
should have yeah so okay yeah and and
the problem is that they sold it had
this just been a dance included in the
game I think there's no problem at all
the fact is they sold the Carlton dance
alone as an add-on for the game for two
bucks yeah that's the problem yeah there
they are selling product directly
related to Alfonso and whether they're
taking money out of him or not they're
profiting off of his likeness and and
that's the problem well I guess they're
not gonna be going to delve in my eyes
that's the problem I was I was really
hoping to see valve taken down a notch
with boy I don't know discord came out
and said well we'll do 90 percent user
Commission's right I thought I was like
hey 83 chump change yeah it'll be
interesting to see I think that these
extra stories are going to rattle the
cage for sure yeah
okay so we got a couple quick ones real
quick yeah let's hit this one because I
think this is a fun one and I think it
ends tomorrow everybody listening I
could be wrong I think but I do think it
ends tomorrow anyway I can't find in the
story but anyway we talked about this
earlier Google project stream mm-hmm
this is a video game Street you sure of
game streaming which I've heard before
yeah I know and we talked about this
earlier but this is interesting you can
sign up for the beta of Google's project
stream where you can supposedly run a
game as as advanced as Assassin's Creed
Odyssey on a Chromebook so modern
triple-a title on a hundred and twenty
dollar laptop absolutely yep and if you
sign up for the beta and you are
accepted and you you can play Assassin's
Creed Odyssey for an hour streaming this
game and then you will get a free copy
of Assassin's Creed Odyssey for the PC
free digital copy nice I think it has a
swimming through you play yes through
you plan yeah of course which sorry but
you know what else I mean even if you
bought the damn game on Steam you're
still gonna be playing it through you
players yeah after the latest things
with Origin I'm not solving origin for
some time yeah sorry there will be no
battlefield 5 benchmarks on my channel
no I'm sorry about that anyway I can't
find where sorry I'm scrolling through
who I did benchmark titanfall to for
like one benchmark run I did do that
with shame on
I can't find I was trying to mix it up a
little bit you got to mix it up from
time yeah again always you GTA 5 shadow
with the Tomb Raider and in project cars
how you fall to sucks
whoa whoa I agree with you but there's
no need for such hostility first
titanfall was actually pretty legit it
was pretty much it
titanfall 2 was actually not a terrible
game I didn't not like playing it yeah I
guess I never put the time into it aside
for one it just seemed that they do the
thing where they're like oh let's make
this way more streamlined friendly right
like titanfall one had a lot of
different skills and things involved
with it that I thought were a lot more
interesting
titanfall to seem to take this wait but
anyway it looks like kind of narrowed
their scope a little bit yeah yeah so it
doesn't end tomorrow yeah friends it
ends on January 5th oh so you got a
little bit of time still so honestly hop
onto Google right now Google project
stream Assassin's Creed or something
like that you can find this I'm looking
at the verge right now that's not a page
that I've linked sorry rep picked this
link not me personally I wouldn't have
any Burge articles up and I understand
that the verge is kind of shameful
especially it's actually written by
Stefan you see that oh my oh my god I'm
so sorry I didn't even look at the
author and what's funny is that whenever
because I use the verge a lot when I am
so ashamed of myself right now I know
this is my I don't want to hate on the
guy I yeah I don't
what does I have to funny though what's
really funny is like especially since
that video oh it's doing my channel okay
I know I saw that that's what I was
looking at I was like looking at your
top five videos or something like it's
number four yeah
anyway if you don't know how we're
talking about we're talking about the
verge the verge PC build PC boom yeah
you probably know what we're talking
about anyway I still do use the verge
for tech news I I will usually if I'm
google searching for something in the
verge comes up or if it's listed as a
source article I will search for another
article that's
on the same topic simply because after
that article they lost all journalistic
integrity and I don't really want to
take what they say with with any kind of
merit sorry the verge I'm sure you have
plenty of good guys riding for you still
but that was crap and you probably know
it Stefan I'm glad you still have a job
that's a fantastic well he's probably
like a free contributor that's the way
he got away with doing that video right
like he's like hey neo sponsored by
Capital One that was a heavy sponsorship
alright yeah that wasn't that wasn't
like the intern getting a crack at the
big time that was a right yeah fair
enough yeah hey Drake five three five
four five says private gue Street
project stream works very well I've been
playing on it while watching you guys
nice so if this is written nothing it
does look like a good service to me and
I've signed up for the beta I haven't
got accepted yet you know I'll tell you
guys what it's all about when I when I
play Assassin's Creed but if you're
interested in trying to get that free
copy all you got to do is sign up for
the beta turn it asks you have a small
question area that basically asks you
about
oh no I'm conflating that with something
else I think you just have to put in
your email address and verify your email
address
nice sorry I'm complaining that with
some with some other things I did this
week
but anyway Assassin's Creed Odyssey
looks he's been out of the country for a
long time yeah I'm not sure how things
work in the head states anymore drive on
the right oh my god it's weird I guess
we're really lucky that it was kind of
late when I drove here tonight yeah not
a lot of traffic on the road at this
time that's confusing the right side
right so the opposite side that my
string will is on that's weird that
doesn't seem to make it I know yeah
you're sitting on the line that other
people are driving towards oh the line
isn't to guide me you don't straddle the
line you have to be on the right side of
a oh boy you you really messed that one
up didn't you I got a lot to learn okay
well luckily I knew the money Apple you
can only have three of these before you
drive home oh so
oh my god well Conniff it and how this
six before we started the show and I
thought people were cheering me on with
their sirens and red and blue lights on
them keep going how's it yeah I got this
let's just gave him one of these and oh
wow that's really putting things into
perspective
anyway Google Stream project Stream
project stream sorry
Google's Project Stream is earnest
alphabets project streamline Google's
Google ranking one so we all know read
dead 2 is coming to PC because of this
GTA 5 was such a cash cow for rockstar
they're not gonna not release Red Dead
Redemption 2 to 30% of the population I
hope they don't because I've been
playing it on ps4 and it's great and I
want all of you to suffer I'm I bought
an Xbox one so I could play Red Dead
Redemption not ok now what's on the
floor because I don't like it
why is that kidding he's right there
kidding why did you get an Xbox yes I
got it from the cheek I'm cheap enough
well it's not cheap enough and you spent
more than two hundred dollars on it no
no it's got less than a hundred dollars
on it Oh with the controller well I
never did you begin for there you go for
you so I bought an Xbox one yeah I
bought my ps4 I bought it used and I
about it for a hundred fifty now now in
Reverse now unfortunately in the end
that means I've paid like a hundred and
sixty dollars to play Red Dead
Redemption - it's worth it totally worth
it I I'm in love with this game and I've
been reading so many hateful reviews of
it and this is one thing that gaming
that I just disagree with is this this
idea of gate key me where the only thing
of value that you have to say is
something negative and there are
negative things to be said about the
game but but not a lot
ie the first day I played the game I
spent 15 hours playing the game and that
was on accident yeah and that was I
turned it on I'm like oh Jesus a
tutorial yeah I almost turned it off I
almost turned it off because I hate
force tutorials yep
where nothing fun happens in you oh god
a walking simulator not one of these
yeah and then by time you're doing your
first little leg by the time you're off
the mountain and the world opens up I
was hooked by Tom Duchess knocking on
the door of that house in the snowstorm
oh hell yeah I was like oh my god and
then there's a guy sneaking around I'm
like oh I'm gonna have to shoot this guy
aren't I and and then you walk out to
the barn and you decide whether or not
to kill the dude out in the barn yeah
that was amazing yeah the whole the game
coach so I decided right off that my
Arthur's gonna be one bad sumbitch you
know what's funny is I decided right
over a good guy really and most people
do and what's funny as most people think
that Arthur's personality plays himself
to be a good guy play him as a bad guy
literally just start capping people from
day one yeah because it's amazing that
ride is awesome it's very very yeah so I
got the achievement for max your karma
one way or the other and it wasn't on
the high side I haven't even gotten the
high side it's hard to get that high
side yeah yeah and that's the thing I
know it's hard to get the low side one -
is it I don't know yeah maybe you're
right I haven't even tried but I feel
that the game steers you towards being
the low side and I'm having to try real
hard to get that eyes out I'm so see
what's really funniest people who are
playing the high side I I heard them
saying point it's really hard to play to
the bat side I don't know how anyone
could do it I don't know about that I
feel like so so here's an example that
I'll give you okay because Red Dead
Redemption 1 when I was playing as John
Marston I really felt John Marston is a
good guy yeah he's a good guy [ __ ] oh
that situation that so the writing was
amazing in that word it really tugged at
my heartstrings so in when I popped in
Red Dead Redemption
- I went you know what I'm gonna be
playing as a member of Dutchess gang I
gotta be the most hardcore bad mother
that's ever that's ever been there and
that's how I played the game here's the
thing though I feel like as a good guy I
feel like the hardest baddest mofo in
the whole world no no no so I was riding
through from like one town to another
town I was writing from from roads to
whatever what
the wagon fences and at what emerald
feel animal brand yeah I'm a wrap thank
you so at one point I'm riding along and
this girl sitting on the side of the
road and her horse broke her leg broke
its leg and went on this is a big sob
story and she goes I need a ride I just
need to get to Valentine I know okay hop
on and I got about ten steps at the
horse I what the hell am i doing and so
I got off the horse I pulled her off the
horse I hogtied her and I threw her off
a cliff nice nice and it's like that
that was like the first moral conflict
that I had had where I'm riding along
it's like oh I need to help this girl
no your Arthur Morgan you do not need to
help this girl you shoot her in the face
right now and that's how I played their
ass game good for you see I was like
well there's women and children in mind
get in my oh there was still conflict oh
there's still concert there are still
times that I go I don't feel bad about
it but I I play good because that's the
harder choice for me to make it a game
yeah the you know it's you play kotor
you play these games that have you go
one side or the other and doing light
side is always harder than going dark
side it's way more satisfying and easy
to just force your way and get whatever
you want that's true but in a lot of
games i always find myself trying to be
the moral paragon and i think most of us
do most of us go through playing these
role-playing games trying to be the good
guy trying to be the guy that that saved
your family farm and I guess I can see
that and well no I mean that's how I
played Mass Effect that's how I played
Skyrim that's how I played a number of
different moral dilemma games however
when I played Mass Effect's when I I
replayed Mass Effect and I went through
and and my guy Shepard was a really good
guy he was always the shoulder to cry on
and and did you try to sleep with
Ashleigh and he tried to sleep with
Caden that's right absolutely slept okay
but or no it was the the blue chick hmm
yeah it was the gender nucleus sorry
yeah he's sorry yeah so so no one can
get offended
at a shepherd sleeping with with her it
him whatever she hasn't gender-fluid
there you go gender penguin absolutely
um so I went back and I played his fem
shep and fem shep was a bad [ __ ] the
fem shep voice actor is like one of the
most underrated voice acted [ __ ] was one
of my favorite places so god bless it
good yeah yeah punching the reporter
square in the nose when you get back and
trying to get a quote good game yeah
what a good game that's how I played
Mass Effect yeah but anyway a Red Dead
Redemption - I'm glad that you've got a
chance to play a sarcastic fem shep is
best yes sarcastic fem shep is best oh
dude yeah I killed my horse I felt bad I
I can't give it away because there's a
spoiler so right off the bat I lost two
horses and that was pretty heartbreaking
I had one horse from that point on until
the end of Arthur's gameplay so
literally to the end of the game I had
one horse see I I went in like wrangle
this horse are you in the epilogue yet
no okay
I've been milking the game yeah oh so
did I well I just played way too long I
guess so I it's funny cuz all my friends
have beaten it they're like I literally
just got to Saint Denis for the first
time yeah and they're like how and I'm
like well I just have fun milking every
single thing it's kind of what I did to
the moment I got a chance I went in hunt
every legendary animal
went out and got legendary finish of it
out and like Rio I the challenges I
think you're fun a lot of people like
and that's the thing about the reviews
is most people read you didn't get the
legendary animals when you making fun of
me
no absolutely not oh I love you for that
that's awesome oh yeah sorry
I just got so addicted like when freakin
Hosea it's time there's a letter anytime
there's a legendary animal like I'm
walking through I didn't go out
necessarily searching for them any time
it goes you're in legendary animal good
I'm stopping whatever I'm doing sure
there are some ones that were really
hard to find and I did get the legendary
beaver
oh that's cool yes yeah that's actually
was the last one that I got it thanks
which is funny because legendary beaver
dirty jokes dirty jokes but yeah Hosea
from the moment that Hosea took me out
on that bear hunt
mmm-hmm I was so hooked on that idea and
then I you know you get that stupid hat
with the it's like the bear thing I was
like oh my god you totally work rock
that oh yeah right now my go to see and
that's the thing and I love just how fun
it is to buy different outfits and
accessorizing that different like this
is so stupid
it's so stupid but it's so satisfying on
this game you get all these different
outfits and you can accessorize
different ways so it's like I have all
the legendary stuff and get right now
I'm actually rocking the bison hat oh
nice it's so cool
so I also just found a really awesome
Ram skull mask do I use it to commit
crimes I've got a couple of cool unique
masks I do have a Viking helmet I have a
tricorn hat oh so for a while I was a I
was a pirate and I have the sword the
broken so yeah I've got the broken sword
so when I started the game I started as
a Walter White playthrough because I
went I want to do the descent into
madness yeah I feel like that's that's
gonna play really well into the game and
so I did the goatee with the triplet I
admit I haven't shaved yeah here cuz see
later in the game and and spoiler alert
here if you've watched this far we
haven't given any spoilers I think it's
okay for a couple later in the game you
develop tuberculosis which I thought was
fantastic to my character playthrough
spoilers to me yeah spoilers to you
sorry yeah I don't mind it's a minor
plot point that's fine um so he goes the
doctor he gets tuberculosis
so therefore the rest of get when you
get to San Denis you might notice he's
coughing occasional I didn't notice that
yeah he just go you drink a shot of
Jannetty and he go where and he didn't
do that in the beginning of the game
I did notice he's getting sick can I
spot about that us like I honestly was
just like oh maybe that's from because I
spend a bunch of time like in the snow
right before right no no exactly no it
plays on later in the game all right
good been doing he gets tuberculosis and
so I thought my Walter wetland through
was perfect so I did the the shaved on
the sides I didn't do any chops but I
just did the goatee for a while just and
and whatnot eventually your camp moves
to somewhere near sand to me and I'm not
gonna reveal any story there but you
move camps a number of times that's
where I'm at I'm at camp it's like right
next door to see right exactly and and
during one of those moves there's a
decent amount of time that it feels like
whirls by like you've been in here for
like a month or two and at that time
period all of a sudden my goatee like
shot out in length and I just let the
goatee go but I kept shaving the chops
and so at the end of the game I had a
level 9 beard but no chops it was
clean-shaven on the sides and so was
like Walter White but he's like I'm so
chavin here but I'm just gonna let this
go and it was a mate and I wrote the
Triple E the whole time I decided to
just to not get a haircut I shaved my
beard just on the off chance that there
was an achievement they had to do it not
getting a hair with good 999 yeah yeah
which is so stupid but I was playing
this game fresh off my spider-man
playthrough when I also did bold so I
shaved my head all the time
anytime I was in a town with a barber I
wouldn't shave my head nice ice and then
any time I was in camp I shaved the
sides nice yeah I'm looking forward to
getting to a point where I feel good
getting a haircut I I plan on doing it
but I was just like wait I got to see if
there's an achievement yeah you could
bet yeah
but once your hair reaches a certain
point you can't grow it any further
without here taking care of tonic yeah
right and I reached that point my beard
started chugging that yeah
absolutely come on I'm on board yeah
what a great game
fantastic yeah I was addicted like I
said I did the legendary animals even
the challenges I found really
intoxicating and a lot of people are
like well the last Worthman ship
challenge how's you galloping from one
side of the map to the other yeah I know
crap so it breaks the immersion I'm like
you're in a video game if you don't know
that you're sitting on your couch I'm
sorry because there's not been a point
in that game where I haven't thought
that I was playing a really good video
game I missed your ran threat I missed
you
[Laughter]
so I hundred percentage Red Dead
Redemption won every achievement every
challenge everything 100% all the way
through I've been super shamed for this
because on the last episode of game devs
quests I revealed that it took me about
30 hours in Red Dead Redemption to to
realize that John Marston was John
Marston from Red Dead Redemption 1 right
and the Dutch mandolin is Dutch mandala
mandala gang so yeah that took me a long
time to figure out I was like oh it's a
prequel and I said that on the podcast
yeah and I got so much hate mail like I
thought you liked this game bro I was
like well I really liked Red Dead
Redemption wash tag gatekeeping exactly
I couldn't get into Redemption Red Dead
Redemption 1 because I was so broke I
couldn't afford the game uh-huh
it took me until the damn game was used
to game stuff for $12.99 till I could
play it so I bought Red Dead Redemption
1 on release day and about a week after
I bought it I developed some pretty
severe stomach ulcers and I was out of
work for almost five weeks where I
literally could not eat I could not
sleep I could not drink like water would
make me vomit it was a bad time I lost
like 30 pounds I don't wish that on
anyone it was horrible it was like mono
but with no appetite so that was pretty
terrible but a hundred percent of Reddit
reaction one
that's an impressive feat yeah so so
that's my Red Dead Redemption one story
I love that game but it always holds a
that was a really dark time in my life
where I was little I was literally
bedridden for a good three four or five
weeks F and Dutch F and Dutch indeed
yeah he's got a plan
have a little bit faith have a little
goddamn faith I love him so much
oh wait till his descendant about it's
good I guess love this game so much and
I feel bad that I'm milking it
so I all my friends right now they're
like get on Red Dead online so we can
just like troll people and like we're
Red Dead online I'm not buying into Red
Dead online there's not play it is a
single-player experience like this in so
long and I just came off of a Spider Man
where I freaking 100% in spider-man yeah
and I love the damn game I love pax
saying you know what I'm gonna buy
spider-man and I did and what a fun game
but also this is the best single player
experience I've had probably since come
back a couple years probably will
usually and I want it it's like here's
the thing like maybe since the first
time I played fallout 4 but even then
like far for like was good but it wasn't
engaging there was a lot to do but it
was a lot of man work the the voice
acting the storytelling the immersion
universe act the voice the voice acting
is so good it's so good you don't want a
bone Sadie Adler by the end of this game
you're fooling yourself I was just
thinking that earlier I was like dude
she easily has the hottest voice in the
whole game yep and she sounds like she
smokes a pack a day and drinks like
probably half a fifth of whiskey my kind
of girl
but I love Arthur Morgan's voice like
and just the oh man everything hey there
partner
the way he says sure he's like Shula
Shula sure he'd be like doesn't have the
ro Moss it
we're sure sure I started saying that to
people what we're good you're a good boy
you're a good boy
hey there kitty that-a-girl
oh you did just fine that's a good girl
oh man I think we did I don't even know
what this story was but yeah oh yeah the
PC port PC leak of Red Dead Redemption -
dubious or otherwise we know it's coming
that was the story yeah I was just kind
of little addendum to to the week that
was it is it's great so next week I
don't know if we will have a show or not
next week is December 26 day after
Christmas I know John and I have some
plans to shoot a couple of videos here
spoiler alert both for his channel and
for my channel if we're still around at
like seven o'clock we just turned on the
camera and go live I don't know if Stan
Bish's crossover event in history oh no
that's for CES yes hashtag spoiler alert
I have been I've been hashtag spoiler
alert most ambitious crossover in
history so can't wait for that yeah I've
got some plans for CES I've got a couple
of people on board as well that's gonna
be so I'm looking forward to that so if
we don't see you the day after Christmas
I hope you have a wonderful Christmas or
whatever holiday you plan to celebrate
this holiday season very home we may or
may not be on the 26th to be determined
depending on mine and John's schedule
both on the 26th and how sober we are by
the time we get to seven or eight
o'clock at night but if not pour one out
if not pour one out or just have one I I
don't recommend pouring out any whiskey
well just like a little look here's the
thing I said this once and so many
people argue with me and disagree but I
think it's an adage that I'm gonna stand
by the any beer or drink in this
instance worth spilling is a drink worth
having that's right it's exactly right
so we may or may not be on next
Wednesday on the 26th we certainly will
be back on January
second and that's gonna be a good show
because all of us are on one group or
social show that's right so all four of
us will be on on on January second
followed by rhett and I On January 9th
on Wednesday live from Las Vegas so we
look forward to seeing you if we don't
see you before then have a fantastic
Christmas Happy New Year and we will see
you next time merry holidays all Cheers
all